Panda won't take brown bin back...!!!

pandoraj09

I called Panda to tell them I don't want the brown bin anymore...I've tenants in my house and every time I go over the bin is stinking, with flies and maggots and even dog poo in it the other day...I just want a black and green bin...Woman from Panda tells me its the law to have a brown bin even though I don't have to use it, that there has to be one on my property..???
Are there other waste companies that don't insist on a brown bin??? Anyone any opinions on this???

Gmaximum

pandoraj09 wrote: »

I called Panda to tell them I don't want the brown bin anymore...I've tenants in my house and every time I go over the bin is stinking, with flies and maggots and even dog poo in it the other day...I just want a black and green bin...Woman from Panda tells me its the law to have a brown bin even though I don't have to use it, that there has to be one on my property..???
Are there other waste companies that don't insist on a brown bin??? Anyone any opinions on this???

It's usually small enough to to fit in the green bin. Pop it in the green bin and recycle it

Eldarion

Still think it's nonsense. 4 bins is taking the piss now.

The Regulations impose obligations on both householders and waste collectors. Householders are obliged to segregate their food waste, and make it available for separate collection.

Wabbit Ears

Not nonsense, check your facts before talking shyte

http://www.environ.ie/en/Environment/Waste/FoodWasteRegulations/

Waste collectors are required to provide a separate collection service for household food waste.

pandoraj09

Thanks for that link...I had no idea that law existed..that you're not allowed put food waste into the black bin if there's a brown bin available...Ah well, I'll have to sign up to the bin washing service and pay Panda even more money. Appreciate the feedback..

joeguevara

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

Not nonsense, check your facts before talking shyte

http://www.environ.ie/en/Environment/Waste/FoodWasteRegulations/

Is that not what the black bin is for? We are in dl and don't have a brown bin. Only green and black.

pandoraj09

I'm in south Dublin and we all have brown bins...I just didn't realise about not being able to put food waste in black bin...That link posted cleared it up for me.

Uriel.

Wow didn't realise that either - figured it was optional rather than a legal obligation.

I only use the brown bin for garden waste (e.g. hedge/plant trimmings).

It's disgusting otherwise especially with only fortnightly collections - particularly in the Summer with the heat and the flies etc. Plus our waste collection company won't allow the use of biodegradable bags.

Well, that's one law I am going to continue to break until at least collection companies are directed to allow suitable bags to be used.

strandroad

joeguevara wrote: »

Is that not what the black bin is for? We are in dl and don't have a brown bin. Only green and black.

They are rolling them out. It is a requirement to brown bin food, grass cuttings unless you compost yourself.
Brown bins are cheaper than black bins.
We have very little rubbish left in our black bin now.

Lombardo86

pandoraj09 wrote: »

I called Panda to tell them I don't want the brown bin anymore...I've tenants in my house and every time I go over the bin is stinking, with flies and maggots and even dog poo in it the other day...I just want a black and green bin...Woman from Panda tells me its the law to have a brown bin even though I don't have to use it, that there has to be one on my property..???
Are there other waste companies that don't insist on a brown bin??? Anyone any opinions on this???

I know more than a few people who scratch off the identifiers and simply leave the bin at the pandas (or whoever the provider is) premises. I would be doing the same if i was in your position.

strandroad

Uriel. wrote: »

Wow didn't realise that either - figured it was optional rather than a legal obligation.

I only use the brown bin for garden waste (e.g. hedge/plant trimmings).

It's disgusting otherwise especially with only fortnightly collections - particularly in the Summer with the heat and the flies etc. Plus our waste collection company won't allow the use of biodegradable bags.

Well, that's one law I am going to continue to break until at least collection companies are directed to allow suitable bags to be used.

Greenstar accepts bio bags. You can also line it with newspaper and add some between layers to help with smells. Works fine for us...

josip

mhge wrote: »

They are rolling them out. It is a requirement to brown bin food, grass cuttings unless you compost yourself.
Brown bins are cheaper than black bins.
We have very little rubbish left in our black bin now.

For many people, brown bins work out more expensive due to the standing charge

strandroad

josip wrote: »

For many people, brown bins work out more expensive due to the standing charge

Standing charge is cheaper too. I can't find online prices for Greenstar but it's €22 in Panda, vs. €64 for black bin.

The point is that we barely use our black bin now, maybe for dog waste or things like soiled kitchen sink sponges. Pretty much everything else is either recycling or compost, glass bank, WEEE disposal or charity shops. Brown bin is paying for it's standing charge very quickly if you are using it lots.
Seriously it makes sense to embrace it (metaphorically speaking).

_Kaiser_

Thanks Crunchie we've none of that nonsense where I'm living (South Dublin)
One black bin + a big shared green bin. That's it.

To be fair most of my waste goes in the green bin so the black bin only goes out every now and then but I would in my feck be messing around with brown bins as well

loyatemu

Brown bin is an option where I am (Greystones) - 2 bins clogging up my garden is enough though.

foggy_lad

The Regulations impose obligations on both householders and waste collectors. Householders are obliged to segregate their food waste, and make it available for separate collection. Alternatively householders may compost the food waste at home; or bring it to authorised treatment facilities (such as civic amenity sites or anaerobic digestion sites) themselves.

Where a source-segregated collection for food waste is available, householders are not allowed to dispose of food waste in the residual waste collection service (the Black Bin).

Who is going to be checking that householders are not putting food waste into their black bins instead of using the Sh1t-smelly brown bins? Will that be more for the Litter Wardens or will a new Quango be created?

Uriel.

foggy_lad wrote: »

Who is going to be checking that householders are not putting food waste into their black bins instead of using the Sh1t-smelly brown bins? Will that be more for the Litter Wardens or will a new Quango be created?

They can only check really when the bin goes out for collection - can't enter your domestic dwelling without permission or a court order. Authorised persons carry out the inspection and they are authorised under Regulations - so probably local authority staff (waste management).

strandroad

foggy_lad wrote: »

Who is going to be checking that householders are not putting food waste into their black bins instead of using the Sh1t-smelly brown bins? Will that be more for the Litter Wardens or will a new Quango be created?

They see it as they empty the bins into the lorry. Same thing as checking for wrong items in recycling bins (otherwise people would do it as it's free to lift it).

irish_goat

If the brown bin is smelly why do you think putting it into the black bin is going to fix the problem? The food will stink no matter where you put it...

Uriel.

mhge wrote: »

They see it as they empty the bins into the lorry. Same thing as checking for wrong items in recycling bins (otherwise people would do it as it's free to lift it).

highly unlikely though.
I didn't know this Regulation existed and I always put food waste into the black bin (albeit it is in a tied plastic bag (usually a black bag)).

I can't see them opening up tied bags to check.
I also don't think that the binmen would be authorised officers at this point. The binmen only check the greenbin for commercial reasons.

Uriel.

irish_goat wrote: »

If the brown bin is smelly why do you think putting it into the black bin is going to fix the problem? The food will stink no matter where you put it...

My own situation is that I can put food waste in the kitchen bin (which is lined with a plastic bag). Every day or two (depending on usage) I take the kitchen bin out, tie up the bag and put in the black wheelie bin.

I can't use biodegradable bags in the brown bin, meaning that I would have to put food waste directly into the brown bin (i.e. not in a sealed bag).

I had a terrible experience of that two summers' ago - bin stinking, flies and maggots crawling all over the place - was disgusting. Shortly after it was emptied a guy knocked at the door (doing the rounds) with a wheelie bin clean service for like €15 and I got him to clean it out. Apart from Garden waste I haven't used it since.

irish_goat

Uriel. wrote: »

I can't use biodegradable bags in the brown bin, meaning that I would have to put food waste directly into the brown bin (i.e. not in a sealed bag).

You can use "compostable" bags i.e. starch ones.

Biodegradable ≠ compostable.

GarIT

mhge wrote: »

Brown bins are cheaper than black bins.

Mine is more expensive, the bin is half the price but less than half the size.

GarIT

irish_goat wrote: »

If the brown bin is smelly why do you think putting it into the black bin is going to fix the problem? The food will stink no matter where you put it...

Can't use plastic bags in the brown bin.

irish_goat

GarIT wrote: »

Can't use plastic bags in the brown bin.

See my post above, you can use starch bags. Or failing that, wrap it all in newspaper.

Raytown Rocks

Returned my Brown bin to Greyhound a few weeks ago.

GarIT

irish_goat wrote: »

See my post above, you can use starch bags. Or failing that, wrap it all in newspaper.

I use the green biodegradable plastic bags, but they are useless and fall apart. Our bin is also lined with a large plastic bag. It still stinks though and the black bin never did.

Graham

irish_goat wrote: »

See my post above, you can use starch bags. Or failing that, wrap it all in newspaper.

+1

Have a separate small kitchen bin and use one of the compostable bags to line it. Throw the whole lot into the brown bin whenever you need to.

No more smelly bin.

OP, tell your tenants to either use the compostable bags or wash the bin after every collection.

Alias G

They are not a legal requirement if you compost your own waste. They tried to dump one on me but I rang and said I wouldn't use and they dropped the standing charge. They are a total rip off.

L1011

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Thanks Crunchie we've none of that nonsense where I'm living (South Dublin)

You will soon. It's being rolled out as a requirement by population volume.

If you use them properly, they don't smell any more than the black bin and if you've no garden or simply don't have any need for self-composting (I could never use what's produced from a home composter) you'll save a very tiny amount of money generally.

pandoraj09

Where can I get these compostable/starch bags? The bin stinks as food is put directly into it. Those bags sound like a good idea. I checked the bill and the brown bin is cheaper than the black one. My problem now is its stinking and the bottom of it has gunk and gooey stuff and it turns my stomach so I can't clean it myself...Is there anyone providing one-off bin washes? Panda tells me I have to sign up to a regular service, not just when I want. Thanks for all the feedback on this!

pandoraj09

Just found a link to a place that does a one off bin clean for 10 euro. wheelieclean.ie

wench

pandoraj09 wrote: »

Where can I get these compostable/starch bags?

Brown Bin Rescue do them
http://www.brownbinrescue.com/shop-online.php

pandoraj09

Brilliant! Thanks a million!

L1011

Tesco sell the small ones you can use for an indoor caddy bin, meaning stuff goes in to the main bin wrapped. My bin company provides one of the bin-sized ones every time, which I can only assume is to reduce the smell etc their own workers have to suffer - surprised that's not more common. That website does seem a good bit cheaper if you buy in bulk though; will check the Tesco price next time - they have both their own brand and that brand sold there.

irish_goat

The pound shops up here do the bags as well, not sure about quality though. I'd assume the €2 shop will stock them as well.

Uriel.

irish_goat wrote: »

The pound shops up here do the bags as well, not sure about quality though. I'd assume the €2 shop will stock them as well.

Your remarkable insight is appreciated. I will be checking that out and will contact the bin co. to see if they're happy with their use.

ted1

mhge wrote: »

Standing charge is cheaper too. I can't find online prices for Greenstar but it's €22 in Panda, vs. €64 for black bin.

The point is that we barely use our black bin now, maybe for dog waste or things like soiled kitchen sink sponges. Pretty much everything else is either recycling or compost, glass bank, WEEE disposal or charity shops. Brown bin is paying for it's standing charge very quickly if you are using it lots.
Seriously it makes sense to embrace it (metaphorically speaking).

I did the maths and based on last years collection a brown bin works out dearer. You still need a black bin. You still pay per lift and per kg. as the bin is smaller it needs to be put out more often so what you save on the difference per kg you lose out in the lift charges.