hit me with a good bar

dor843088

Need a recommendation for a good power bar for my gym . Preferably 28mm or so with power rings . Will be used only for powerlifts , faily aggressive knurl etc etc. Had a hard on for the texas power bar but the price tag gave me a floppy. Are there any comparible bars out there that arent 500 euro plus? or is it worth it and I should suck it up and buy one ? That black oxide looks awesome tho.

Recommendations appreciated.

Inspector Coptoor

Rogue Europe have good bars.

Suitable for PL & WL.
Ohio bar with black zinc oxide & bright zinc oxide sleeves.

http://www.rogueeurope.eu/weightlifting-bars-plates/bars/mens-bars

Decent price too.

dor843088

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

Rogue Europe have good bars.

Suitable for PL & WL.
Ohio bar with black zinc oxide & bright zinc oxide sleeves.

http://www.rogueeurope.eu/weightlifting-bars-plates/bars/mens-bars

Decent price too.

Thanks for the recommendation . Its 377 shipped , decent amount cheaper than the tpb so its definitely a consideration. Lovely looking bar too . Id wonder if it would be a bit whippy since its also made for oly lifts ? I have very little knowledge in different bars and I want one for life and completely fit for purpose.

leeenfield

A crow bar should do the trick

dor843088

leeenfield wrote: »

A crow bar should do the trick

leeenfield

dor843088 wrote: »

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right there Ted

dor843088

After looking Into the ohio bar iv kinda ruled it out for the reason it has no centre knurling and my wrists take enough punishment on low bar squats.

Mellor

dor843088 wrote: »

After looking Into the ohio bar iv kinda ruled it out for the reason it has no centre knurling and my wrists take enough punishment on low bar squats.

Altenatives;
http://www.roguefitness.com/rogue-chan-bar
http://www.roguefitness.com/rogue-power-bar


Ignore, helpfulness foiled by out of Europeness

DylanJM

Mellor wrote: »

Altenatives;
http://www.roguefitness.com/rogue-chan-bar
http://www.roguefitness.com/rogue-power-bar

Those aren't available on the Euro site.

I know you asked for a 28mm bar but you could look at the York power bar. No experience with it but just throwing another option out there.

Link

dor843088

Mellor wrote: »

Altenatives;
http://www.roguefitness.com/rogue-chan-bar
http://www.roguefitness.com/rogue-power-bar


Ignore, helpfulness foiled by out of Europeness

Thanks , rogue have an awesome selection of bars if they opened them up here theyd have the market to themselves with regards to power bars. At least thats what my hunt for a decent power bar suggests.

dor843088

DylanJM wrote: »

Those aren't available on the Euro site.

I know you asked for a 28mm bar but you could look at the York power bar. No experience with it but just throwing another option out there.

Link

Im really after a 28mm bar dude , I already have a larger diameter fairly ****ty bar think its 30mm . Looks like there is simply no choice this side of the pond. :mad:

Hanley

Spend an extra €100. Get a TPB. You'll have it for life.

http://www.bmacstrength.co.uk/texas-power-bar.html

Or this York bar.

http://www.profitness-supplies.com/home-free-weights/olympic-bars/york-7ft-olympic-north-american-split-sleeve-with-needle-training-bar.html

Hanley

It annoys me immensely that Rogue don't centre knurl most of their bars, considering the best bar manufacturers in the world do it for their competition bars.

Mellor

Hanley wrote: »

It annoys me immensely that Rogue don't centre knurl most of their bars, considering the best bar manufacturers in the world do it for their competition bars.

What's the logic behind no centre knurling?

Alf Veedersane

Mellor wrote: »

What's the logic behind no centre knurling?

I'd imagine some people don't like it if they're doing a lot of cleans so probably more suited to weightlifting than powerlifting.

dor843088

Hanley wrote: »

It annoys me immensely that Rogue don't centre knurl most of their bars, considering the best bar manufacturers in the world do it for their competition bars.

Thanks for the recommendations . I think the tpb wins out due to complete lack of competition although id probably have gone for a rogue bar had it got centre knurling . The missus is gonna kill me when she finds out iv spent 500 quid on a bar . Iv already spent a fortune.

DylanJM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I'd imagine some people don't like it if they're doing a lot of cleans so probably more suited to weightlifting than powerlifting.

Yeah that's their reasoning behind it but tbh I don't really see it as that big a deal. I've scuffed my neck maybe 3 or 4 time in just over two years of training. I don't hear too many people complain about it either.

Alf Veedersane

DylanJM wrote: »

Yeah that's their reasoning behind it but tbh I don't really see it as that big a deal. I've scuffed my neck maybe 3 or 4 time in just over two years of training. I don't hear too many people complain about it either.

Yeah, I wouldn't have thought there would be that many who would see it as a big issue to make it a hugely marketable bar. But then I don't do cleans...

dor843088

Speaking of texas bars being for life ben rice just bent his missing a squat.

Hanley

Yeah cool if you dump 240kg really hard onto the rack and a bar bends. Not too surprising really!

DylanJM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF1dlr12Yfg

Apparently it was still in a useable condition after that. That's Japanese engineering for you but yeah 99% of the time if you drop a bar on to safeties it's gone.

dor843088

Hanley wrote: »

Yeah cool if you dump 240kg really hard onto the rack and a bar bends. Not too surprising really!

DylanJM wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF1dlr12Yfg

Apparently it was still in a useable condition after that. That's Japanese engineering for you but yeah 99% of the time if you drop a bar on to safeties it's gone.

Ah I know I heard rippetoe saying he saw an elieko being bent by being dropped from ovwrhead with only 1 plate or something on it.

Hanley

It's not even that the bar hit the safeties with the TPB. it was that it SMASHED into em.

Rob destroyed one here a while ago when he dropped a band resisted squat onto a box.

Mellor

What does the "@8", "@9.5" mean in his set notation?

sean_0

They are RPE numbers - rate of perceived exertion. It's a system of rating your sets conceived by Mike Tuchscherer at Reactive Training Systems http://www.reactivetrainingsystems.com/.

An @8 rating would mean you think you could have gotten another 2 reps at that weight. An @9.5 means you may have been able to get one more, but you're not sure.

I've been rating my sets for a few months now and you get used to it and better at it after a while. It's designed to be used as part of auto-regulation of intensity and volume for more advanced lifters, but I think it's pretty useful just as a shorthand way of recording how things felt on a given day.

Mellor

Cheers for that. I'd seen it before but was never sure what it was. Might start rating my sets with a number rather than arbitrary phrases like easy set, felt ok or tough, etc

Should the set above be labelled a 10 then? As he failed he wasn't getting one more rep. Or in this case, is 9.5 rating the difference between failing due to exertion and failing do to technique breakdown.

sean_0

Mellor wrote: »

Should the set above be labelled a 10 then? As he failed he wasn't getting one more rep. Or in this case, is 9.5 rating the difference between failing due to exertion and failing do to technique breakdown.

Good question. In my records that would be a 10. However it's probably more important that you are consistent in how you record RPE than to confrom to a particular standard.

cc87

sean_0 wrote: »

Good question. In my records that would be a 10. However it's probably more important that you are consistent in how you record RPE than to confrom to a particular standard.

While I haven't heard of this used in for resistance training, with RPE its useful to do whats called anchoring.

So for example this might be something like a bleep test or any test with a team where they get pushed to maximum, and that would count as a ten then for RPE. So they have a reference of sorts to know what a real "ten" feels like and can base other sessions off it.

I suppose you could do something similar in a gym setting by doing a 1RM or 3RM test something like that so you have a reference then to what really fighting for the reps feels like.

I've never used it in relation to reps left in the tank like above, just have something like this to stick in there faces

Alf Veedersane

The numbers should go to 11.

10 limits you.

What if you're going for a PR and giving it a ten and it's not happening?

You should be able to push to 11.

brownej

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

The numbers should go to 11.

10 limits you.

What if you're going for a PR and giving it a ten and it's not happening?

You should be able to push to 11.

You mean like giving it 110%? :rolleyes:

Alf Veedersane

brownej wrote: »

You mean like giving it 110%? :rolleyes:

That whoosh is the sound of the Spinal Tap reference going over your head.

sean_0

cc87 wrote: »

I suppose you could do something similar in a gym setting by doing a 1RM or 3RM test something like that so you have a reference then to what really fighting for the reps feels like.

Actually I find that up to a 5RM the reps in the tank idea works pretty well. When you get beyond that it gets a bit messy - hard to tell how many you have left, if you took an extra few breaths you might get one more etc etc.

Up to a 5RM you're going to be skirting around max effort, and if you're training around @9 pretty often you should be failing every now and then (though as infrequently as possible), just to reinforce what a 10 feels like, and to learn how to grind.

I'm convinced that just recording these numbers has helped me a lot in planning my training and spotting trends in my performance.

Mellor

sean_0 wrote: »

I'm convinced that just recording these numbers has helped me a lot in planning my training and spotting trends in my performance.

In way do you let the numbers influence your planning or sessions? Do you makes adjustments mid-session (auto-regulation?).

I'm pretty interested that kind of stuff. Any interest in a separate thread?

dor843088

http://www.wolverson-fitness.co.uk/Olympic-Bison-Bar_A1CS10.aspx


Would anyome have an opinion on this bar? Obviously the 7ft powerlifting version. Seems to have decent spec although its 29mm would that make a huge difference in grip ?

DylanJM

Personally, I think 29mm is grand. It's only really the 30-32mm diameter bars that are useless.

Hanley

DylanJM wrote: »

Personally, I think 29mm is grand. It's only really the 30-32mm diameter bars that are useless.

I think I have that bar.

It's grand up until 200+kg and then it goes cray cray.

dor843088

Hanley wrote: »

I think I have that bar.

It's grabs up until 200+kg and then it goes cray cray.

You have the bison bar I linked ?

Hanley

dor843088 wrote: »

You have the bison bar I linked ?

I have a wolverson spec bar that cost around the same from d8. Not 100% sure if it's the same.

dor843088

Hanley wrote: »

I have a wolverson spec bar that cost around the same from d8. Not 100% sure if it's the same.

I take it you dont rate it very highly ? Is it 29mm?

Hanley

dor843088 wrote: »

I take it you dont rate it very highly ? Is it 29mm?

I don't know. I've like 10 bars. My hands aren't a measuring tape. And like I said - it's grand up to about 200kg and then it goes crazy. If you'r regularly squatting over 200kg, and assuming it's the same bar as the link, it's probably not the one for you.

DylanJM

I think the bison bar that D8fitness had was the 28mm version, I'm not 100% certain though.