Am I entitled to sub-pay?

ricero

Hi
i am soon to start my 2nd year teaching practice and I am currently in the process of registering with the teaching council. Once this is done am i entitled to be payed for supervising classes in my placement school ?

it would very much help with my repaying of my student loan for course fees

rainbowtrout

I doubt it. You won't be a qualified teacher and as all teachers are expected to nominate 5 class periods a week for supervision for free (of which they can be asked to do 3 in any one week) under the Haddington Road Agreement I would say supervision will be scarce.

Schools will have to use the teachers that are available to them for free before they start paying qualified subs.

TheDriver

Are u referring to TP classes or extra classes

ricero

TheDriver wrote: »

Are u referring to TP classes or extra classes

No not my tp class im just asking in refering to extra supervision classes and when teachers are absent or out due to illness

Naoko

I did a grand total of two supervision classes while I was on TP and things have changed a lot since then - in the direction of making it even less likely that A) you'd be asked to do it and you'd get paid for it. I suppose it's not impossible but I'd advise you to have a Plan B.

ricero

Naoko wrote: »

I did a grand total of two supervision classes while I was on TP and things have changed a lot since then - in the direction of making it even less likely that A) you'd be asked to do it and you'd get paid for it. I suppose it's not impossible but I'd advise you to have a Plan B.

Well last year I supervised 3 classes a week and received no pay but I never asked. Im doing my practice in the same school again so I presume I shall be given classes to supervise again

linguist

A couple of things here. First of all, if you are registered with the Teaching Council and Garda vetted then yes you can supervise classes by yourself.

Secondly, there remain categories of supervision/substitution that attract payment regardless of HRA. There has been tightening up though. All certified sick leave absences are still covered by paid substitution. From this September, there is a tightening up on force majeure and illness in family leave. The first day of such leave is not paid but subsequent days are. In any fairly large school therefore there should be a reasonable amount of cover going, particularly during the winter months.

Also, and with reference to the HRA situation, the feeling among principals is that they are going to struggle as the year goes by with absences themselves eating into the number of staff available for S&S and as teachers approach the ceiling. There is a feeling that the Govt will end up finding some money to pay for gaps where the cover cannot be found any other way. Finally, I am aware of schools who privately pay RPTs or student teachers out of their own funds (voluntary contribution etc) for covering classes as a last resort.

The days of milk and honey are over but the ATM isn't entirely empty.

rainbowtrout

linguist wrote: »

A couple of things here. First of all, if you are registered with the Teaching Council and Garda vetted then yes you can supervise classes by yourself.

Secondly, there remain categories of supervision/substitution that attract payment regardless of HRA. There has been tightening up though. All certified sick leave absences are still covered by paid substitution. From this September, there is a tightening up on force majeure (sick child, parent etc) and I think on bereavement. The first day of such leave is not paid but subsequent days are. In any fairly large school therefore there should be a reasonable amount of cover going, particularly during the winter months. Also, the fact that there will be no PGDE students this year as those courses move from one to two years should leave more pickings around for RPTs and people in your situation.

Also, and with reference to the HRA situation, the feeling among principals is that they are going to struggle as the year goes by with absences themselves eating into the number of staff available for S&S and as teachers approach the ceiling. There is a feeling that the Govt will end up finding some money to pay for gaps where the cover cannot be found any other way. Finally, I am aware of schools who privately pay RPTs or student teachers out of their own funds (voluntary contribution etc) for covering classes as a last resort.

The days of milk and honey are over but the ATM isn't entirely empty.

That's not going to change. There is teaching practice placement in both years of the PME.

linguist

Apologies - I had genuinely been under the impression that we had 'no dips' this year as it was a big part of staffroom discussions towards the end of last year, even in the Principal's presence. Think the easiest to avoid confusion might be to edit the original post. Mods, could you tidy this up then?