Mazda 6 2.0 petrol - brand new madness?

Casati

Im looking to replace what has been a great Skoda Superb Combi 2.0 TDI 2011 with circa 80k on her. Great car overall and Im v tempted to buy another Superb (or Octavia) but have noticed the Mazda 6 Tourer 2.0 petrol is over 3k cheaper than the 2.2 diesel- the SE Exec has a list of just over 30k and is packed with a lot of kit. If I could trade up for 12k with my Skoda I'd be happy

Despite all the diesel bad press with DPF, DMF, EGR it seems that folks are still only buying diesel in family sized cars, so would a petrol Mazda 6 end up being a wedding ring with zero resale value? The Mazda has similar 145bhp to my Skoda, but the torque is way down so in real life I wonder would it be a bit gutless? I've rang two dealers and they only have diesel demos and hadn't sold many petrols.

I'd love to spend the 30k on an RS6 or M5 but I have to buy at least 2013 estate car as work are paying for it.

MuppetCheck

Is it 80k km or miles on the superb?

If you plan on changing in 3 years again and will be doing similar mileage I'd go with the diesel. You will have warranty cover either way but you will find it hard to off load the car come selling time. What you save now is going to be a small saving compared to the running costs and resale in the long run.

Your mileage is in diesel territory and unless it's all around town and you're keeping it past the warranty limit it doesn't make sense.

bazz26

Unless you plan to keep it for a long time then you will loose your shirt on it. It's a car you will married to as nobody wants petrol cars in this class. You will loose a lot more than the €3k difference when it comes to try and sell it.

Casati

MuppetCheck wrote: »

Is it 80k km or miles on the superb?

If you plan on changing in 3 years again and will be doing similar mileage I'd go with the diesel. You will have warranty cover either way but you will find it hard to off load the car come selling time. What you save now is going to be a small saving compared to the running costs and resale in the long run.

Your mileage is in diesel territory and unless it's all around town and you're keeping it past the warranty limit it doesn't make sense.

Its km's Im talking, so yeah 80k km's, and Im doing less than 20k km's from here on in- mostly long distance at weekends. The diesel premium is steep though- approx 3250 and the petrol is band B so should be good on juice. Hard to understand the market- a Focus 1.0 petrol is dearer than a 1.6 diesel now yet apparently are really sought after!

bazz26

The spec on the petrol 6 is not exactly brilliant either. I certainly would not sink 30k into a €30k petrol car in a market where diesel dominates. The fact that the new model 6 has been on sale for 2 years now and there is not one petrol model for sale second hand on carzone says it all really.

Casati

bazz26 wrote: »

The spec on the petrol 6 is not exactly brilliant either. I certainly would not sink 30k into a €30k petrol car in a market where diesel dominates. The fact that the new model 6 has been on sale for 2 years now and there is not one petrol model for sale second hand on carzone says it all really.

Its an Executive SE Estate. The main attraction with petrol is price and low emissions and reliability, as I don't see anything that class with similar mix of power and spec and co2.

Ive been driving diesels since my '99 Xantia 2.0 HDI and like them, but don't like the problems they have with DPF, DMF and EGR, each of which has caused me problems in the past few years - (though not on the Skoda in fairness).

Looks like the market will dictate another diesel on the driveway!

MuppetCheck

How long will you be keeping the car?

Drummerboy08

I think that a petrol 1.4TSi Superb would be more desirable than a petrol 6 if I'm honest.

I'd imagine the Mazda would be very sale proof in 3/4 years time.

bazz26

Casati wrote: »

Its an Executive SE Estate. The main attraction with petrol is price and low emissions and reliability, as I don't see anything that class with similar mix of power and spec and co2.

Ive been driving diesels since my '99 Xantia 2.0 HDI and like them, but don't like the problems they have with DPF, DMF and EGR, each of which has caused me problems in the past few years - (though not on the Skoda in fairness).

Looks like the market will dictate another diesel on the driveway!

I hear you and you don't have to tell me about the virtues of wanting the petrol model where it is more suitable to your needs but from a financial point it would be suicidal unless you plan to keep the car to the point where it's too old to worry about resale value. If you change cars every 2 or 3 years then expect to loose a fortune on it.

Casati

bazz26 wrote: »

I hear you and you don't have to tell me about the virtues of wanting the petrol model where it is more suitable to your needs but from a financial point it would be suicidal unless you plan to keep the car to the point where it's too old to worry about resale value. If you change cars every 2 or 3 years then expect to loose a fortune on it.

Yeah, Im hearing the message and its really in line with what I think too, though its really a shame, as Ive been reading up about this Mazda high compression engine and its looks like a step forward compared to other n/a petrols. Unlike many other petrols, its also a nice bit cheaper than the diesel

I could end up keeping the car a long time, but I would not like to forced into a position where I had to do so, so resale is important

I personally think that more and more people will move back to petrol- for the same reason that they originally bought diesels- i.e because the sale man in garage advises them to. Manufacturers will have to get a return on their engine investment and I honestly expect to see many petrols like Mondeo 1.0's up to Audi A8 2.0's in coming years once the garages start pushing them, though its probably too much of a personal gamble to buy the Mazda now

Old diesel

Casati wrote: »

Yeah, Im hearing the message and its really in line with what I think too, though its really a shame, as Ive been reading up about this Mazda high compression engine and its looks like a step forward compared to other n/a petrols. Unlike many other petrols, its also a nice bit cheaper than the diesel

I could end up keeping the car a long time, but I would not like to forced into a position where I had to do so, so resale is important

I personally think that more and more people will move back to petrol- for the same reason that they originally bought diesels- i.e because the sale man in garage advises them to. Manufacturers will have to get a return on their engine investment and I honestly expect to see many petrols like Mondeo 1.0's up to Audi A8 2.0's in coming years once the garages start pushing them, though its probably too much of a personal gamble to buy the Mazda now

Do Toyota do the hybrid version of the Auris Estate over here??? - could be worth a look.

Old diesel

For what its worth I expect to end up doing either one of the following in the next few years - and not neccessarly out of choice

1) buy a hybrid

Or

2) shopping trip to the Uk to purchase

I really don't like the idea of dealing with modern diesel issues - and have little intention of going down the road buying brand new and trading in every 3 years to avoid issues - its pretty costly imo

If it was me Id take the gamble on the Mazda if I could find one to test drive - heck I think id even go up north to get a test drive - but I fully understand that the sensible option is another diesel from a resale point of few.

The Superbs do seem to have a good reputation though - so the way forward is probably another Superb if the price to change is competitive.

Its a shame that Skoda don't do the proper rear suspension on lower power versions of the new Octavia - a 1.4 tfsi one of those could be interesting if they do them over here. My understanding is that without the multilink rear suspension - the rides firm on the new Octavia

Casati

Old diesel wrote: »

For what its worth I expect to end up doing either one of the following in the next few years - and not neccessarly out of choice

1) buy a hybrid

Or

2) shopping trip to the Uk to purchase

I really don't like the idea of dealing with modern diesel issues - and have little intention of going down the road buying brand new and trading in every 3 years to avoid issues - its pretty costly imo

If it was me Id take the gamble on the Mazda if I could find one to test drive - heck I think id even go up north to get a test drive - but I fully understand that the sensible option is another diesel from a resale point of few.

The Superbs do seem to have a good reputation though - so the way forward is probably another Superb if the price to change is competitive.

Its a shame that Skoda don't do the proper rear suspension on lower power versions of the new Octavia - a 1.4 tfsi one of those could be interesting if they do them over here. My understanding is that without the multilink rear suspension - the rides firm on the new Octavia

The Auris Hybrid is way more expensive than the diesels and its a lot smaller than my Superb- Octavia is grand without multi-link rear suspension and might be an option, but if I config the 1.4 to the same spec as the Mazda its close to 30k too