Ebola

tayto lover

The HSE have been advising people not to make unnecessary journeys to countries that the Ebola virus is effecting. The HSE said travellers returning from affected areas are advised to seek medical attention should they develop sudden fever, unexplained fatigue, diarrhoea or have other symptoms within 21 days of departure from any of the affected areas.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0808/635838-ebola/

Is it wise to allow anyone come here from Western African countries without having medical checks in the first place? This is an incurable disease.

Nino Brown

tayto lover wrote: »

The HSE have been advising people not to make unnecessary journeys to countries that the Ebola virus is effecting. The HSE said travellers returning from affected areas are advised to seek medical attention should they develop sudden fever, unexplained fatigue, diarrhoea or have other symptoms within 21 days of departure from any of the affected areas.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0808/635838-ebola/

Is it wise to allow anyone come here from Western African countries without having medical checks in the first place? This is an incurable disease.

It's an incurable disease, but it's easily controlled, it's all media hype, plus the WHO love to dramatize these things!
The fact of the matter, is it's a very easily controllable disease in any western country with decent sanitation and medical facilities.
About 1000 people have died over the last few months from it, I would say 100's of thousands have died from the flu and diarrhea in the same period.
The WHO, are in danger of becoming the boy who cried wolf IMO. This is just another boogeyman.

djpbarry

tayto lover wrote: »

Is it wise to allow anyone come here from Western African countries without having medical checks in the first place? This is an incurable disease...

...but as said above, it's very easily contained and, despite what you read in the media, treatable. Ebola is not the Hollywood super-villain that newspapers like to portray it as.

RonanP77

This thread had put my mind at ease. It's a virus I, and I'd imagine the general public, know very little about. From the snippets I heard, I was sure it was certain death if you contracted it.

Rucking_Fetard

Here ya go if you want a bug you should be worried about...if it got out...

http://science-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/08/14/1556212/how-to-maintain-lab-safety-while-making-viruses-deadlier

"A scientist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison published an article in June revealing that he had taken genes from the deadly human 1918 Spanish Flu and inserted them into the H5N1 avian flu to make a new virus—one which was both far deadlier and far more capable of spreading than the original avian strain. In July it was revealed that the same scientist was conducting another study in which he genetically altered the 2009 strain of flu to enable it to evade immune responses, 'effectively making the human population defenseless against re-emergence.'

In the U.S. alone, biosafety incidents involving pathogens happen more than twice per week. These 'gain-of-function' experiments are accidents waiting to happen, with the possibility of starting deadly pandemics that could kill millions. It isn't as if it hasn't happened before: in 2009, a group of Chinese scientists created a viral strain of flu virus that escaped the lab and created a pandemic, killing thousands of people. 'Against this backdrop, the growing use of gain-of-function approaches for research requires more careful examination. And the potential consequences keep getting more catastrophic.' This article explores the history of lab-created pandemics and outlines recommendations for a safer approach to this type of research."

djpbarry

Rucking_Fetard wrote: »

Here ya go if you want a bug you should be worried about...if it got out...

http://science-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/08/14/1556212/how-to-maintain-lab-safety-while-making-viruses-deadlier

in 2009, a group of Chinese scientists created a viral strain of flu virus that escaped the lab and created a pandemic, killing thousands of people.

They're not seriously putting the swine flu pandemic down to a lab accident are they?

freddieot

I understand that this is a disease spread through contact with bodily fluids including sweat etc. hence the issue with that unfortunate nurse in Australia.

Recently I was frisked by the security officers at a major European Airport. this happens a lot as I have a metal hip implant. I also travel a lot for work.
these airports include Paris, Brussels, Geneva etc; places with a high movement of passengers from in or around the infected areas on the African continent.

I asked the security guy and he said that he probably searches about 100 people very day for various reasons including implants and also false readings by the metal detector.

The incubation period for Ebola is 2-3 weeks ish. That means that if he was infected by one person in week one he might not demonstrate any symptoms until he searched (touched) another 1,000 - 1,500 people. They of course would touch thousands of others and the multiplications extend from there.

What are your opinions on this ? I see no extra precautions being taken by airport authorities or search teams. Are they putting our lives in great jeopardy ? By the way, I'm not trolling to get a response but I do get searched like this about twice per month so it is a real concern based on seeing exactly what is happening right now on the ground!

Dingle_berry

Ebola is not spread by touch. It is not spread by air or aerosol. It is a blood and bodily fluid virus. That means it spreads like Hepatits C and HIV. It is also easily killed by hand detergents and alcohol rubs.
Unless the blood of someone with Ebola gets into your body you're not going to get Ebola.

Icepick

freddieot wrote: »

I understand that this is a disease spread through contact with bodily fluids including sweat etc. hence the issue with that unfortunate nurse in Australia.

Recently I was frisked by the security officers at a major European Airport. this happens a lot as I have a metal hip implant. I also travel a lot for work.
these airports include Paris, Brussels, Geneva etc; places with a high movement of passengers from in or around the infected areas on the African continent.

I asked the security guy and he said that he probably searches about 100 people very day for various reasons including implants and also false readings by the metal detector.

The incubation period for Ebola is 2-3 weeks ish. That means that if he was infected by one person in week one he might not demonstrate any symptoms until he searched (touched) another 1,000 - 1,500 people. They of course would touch thousands of others and the multiplications extend from there.

What are your opinions on this ? I see no extra precautions being taken by airport authorities or search teams. Are they putting our lives in great jeopardy ? By the way, I'm not trolling to get a response but I do get searched like this about twice per month so it is a real concern based on seeing exactly what is happening right now on the ground!

You get into intimate contact with 1,500-2,000 people in 2-3 weeks?
Do tell us more

tayto lover

Amazed that there's about 4,000 dead already from that "easy to control" disease. I wonder how that is?

youtube!

Dingle_berry wrote: »

Ebola is not spread by touch. It is not spread by air or aerosol. It is a blood and bodily fluid virus. That means it spreads like Hepatits C and HIV. It is also easily killed by hand detergents and alcohol rubs.
Unless the blood of someone with Ebola gets into your body you're not going to get Ebola.

Wrong. The Spanish nurse and the 2nd confirmed case in the states di not have blood transfer! One simply touched her face and the other had full protective gear and still got it.

freddieot

Obviously there is a hand detergent availability issue.

I also doubt that the thousands dead so far from this disease have been sharing or donating bodily fluids in the usual manner in which HIV is transmitted. I know HIV cannot be contracted from touching.

My point is that person A (with Ebola) is hand frisked by airport security. Particles of sweat or mucus are transferred onto the searchers clothing \ gloves.

A few seconds later, person B is searched by the same security guard. The minute body fluids then transfer. Person B or subsequent individuals risk being infected (as well as the searcher of course as well as multiple other individuals).

A prudent step might be for airports to isolate travellers from infected areas (passport basis including origin and recent travel history) and put them through the screening process separately (under controlled conditions) rather than risk what I believe could be a definite fast-track method of spreading this disease.

Dingle_berry

youtube! wrote: »

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Wrong. The Spanish nurse and the 2nd confirmed case in the states di not have blood transfer! One simply touched her face and the other had full protective gear and still got it.

Not wrong. The Spanish nurse was cleaning the room after the infected patient. She removed her protective mask with her soiled gloves still on (a violation of protocol). She probably introduced the virus into her body through her eye. Similarly for any other healthcare worker suitably educated and supplied with PPE.
With a high viral load as happens in the hemorraghic fever caused by Ebola, droplets of blood can carry an infectious dose of the virus if they enter the body. Not if they settle on your healthy intact skin.
People don't sweat or cough Ebola. And a quick alcohol rub hand wash would kill it.
Thousands are dead in Africa due to poor education, sanitation and resources. That means people not understanding how the virus spreads, not being able to dispose of infectious material adequately and not having acess to the medical treatments that we do (such as oxygen support, blood products etc)

youtube!

How do you explain the 2 victim in the USA ? He had a full hazmat and followed procedure to the letter

Dingle_berry

youtube! wrote: »

How do you explain the 2 victim in the USA ? He had a full hazmat and followed procedure to the letter

Were you there to witness it? The Spanish nurse maintained that she followed procedure at all times. Then later remembered removing her mask with soiled gloves. Against procedure. Either poor education or familiarity breeding complacency breeding contempt

Rucking_Fetard

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