Legalize Medical Marijuna For People With Severe And Chronic Pain..

Sounds

I know someone that's getting on in years, has a history of alcohol abuse, never did drugs of any kind,
Until later in life when chronic pains took over, the doctors were prescribing morphine tablets to an elderly man with drink problems, not sure if he still takes them, all i know is hes on strong pain killers.
Those two combinations over the years have destroyed his insides and cause a lot of stomach problems causing hospitalization later on.

A lot of people would have given up years ago, but obviously he still has peeps that still care, in our own strange ways, maybe don't show it as much, after all we're family and we got to look out for one and other, i guess.

It's sad though, looking at a man i once knew, lively and whatever problems with drink, was a reasonably healthy person, good job etc. etc. i dunno when it all started going pare shaped, I guess old age catches up with you, and then sickness and whatever else you're suffering from if you're unlucky.
You can't hold that agents a person, causes a lot of problems but that's life, at least that's how i look at it.

I've been through a life of watching this and learning from it and through my own mistakes with alcohol in the past, I still like a beer now and then but that's it, no spirits if i can help.

This morning when I got home at 8 am after going to someone else's home at 5 am to try get them off the floor and up to bed, which didn't happen in the end, and I refused to be part of waiting for an ambulance to arrive, I just helped him crawl from the hall to the living room and made a bed for him on the carpet, brought down mattress but he couldn't move onto it, his pain is severe, every day.

And this fu**ing government allowing people to totally abuse themselves with one of the worst, uncontrolled drugs on the planet. that's alcohol, spirits.
Then taking taxes off people for abusing themselves. In the wrong hands, drink is a total weapon, of self destruction, god help anyone around you if they stay around, believe me, could write a book on it.

You can say what you want, some of us can't walk away from it, or just say it's their own fault, I don't look at it like that any more, I'm not a kid any more, I know people can become addicted to different drugs and they can't quit, don't really want to quit whatever, until it's too late in many cases.

Just typing off the top of my head here so please excuse my words.

I really think legalizing medical marijuana would help a lot of people, not necessary as a cure, but more of a natural remedy like someone else said in another topic here.
It doesn't cure chronic pain but it releases it and that's a big help to an ill person, they deserve to have the choice, if it was controller then everyone would know what they were getting and the affect it would have on them.
Used for a good reason, to help seriously ill people control their chronic pain.

I'm thinking back a good few year when I once enjoyed a smoke, it just relaxed us that was the main reason we smoked, it can be used for good purpose no doubt.

I'd rather see him sitting in his chair relaxing and relived from his paid with a natural herb than all this crap doctors are after giving him, i'd rather see him smiling than looking up at me on the ground because we can't move him because of agonizing pain, we didn't call the ambulance in the end, but it's coming to that stage and i don't wanna be a part of that.

I don't condone the use of drugs, alcohol is a class A drug in my books, because I've seen the damage it can cause.

Well that's just a few of my random thought for the start of today.
Probably means nothing and probably discussed on many forums.
All I know is that my dad wouldn't be in pain if he smoked some legal herb,
and his insides wouldn't be destroyed from prescribed medication..
Not just that, he'd most likely ween himself off the booze a bit.
A few good reasons to legalize medical marijuana in my opinion.. we might even have a laff and a conversation.
I kind of know the outcome anyway coz I wrote to the minister of health about it before, that's not for this topic.

Thanks later

Meso Harney

You've expressed your sentiment so well; I hope that his and your journey is a gentle one, and know that you will find peace with it.

Bepolite

Just legalise it full stop, the benefits to society far, far out weigh the current cost of enforcement and loss of tax revenue.

Of course I'd couple this with a total and complete public smoking ban for all substances.

FreudianSlippers

Bepolite wrote: »

Just legalise it full stop, the benefits to society far, far out weigh the current cost of enforcement and loss of tax revenue.

Of course I'd couple this with a total and complete public smoking ban for all substances.

I think the public smoking ban is a bit too nanny state, but legalisation of cannabis and cocaine with all tax income going to the health sector (with a ringfence for addiction services) seems like a no-brainer IMHO.

Manach

The pain releaving attributes can be safely and might be measurablibly distributed by Pharma-companies in the normal form. The "Medical" aspect of this is merely a means to introduce a social wedge for its full legislation. Given how poorly traditional stimulants are handled, as per a stroll down town after hours, then introducing even more and now legally obtainable drugs will be yet another drag on society.
The presence of and growth of law in all aspects human interaction means it has now supplanted other forms of mores and morals. So once legalised many people would now assume it is now perfectly acceptable to indulge in what was once deplored. So individuals might indulge in their own choices up to a pint, but that point is when adversely effected individuals which make up a community and having the rest pay the economic cost.

Sounds

Hard to express it really, I get waves of different emotions, guess I'm human after all.

Governments don't really do what people want sometimes, they decide what's best for you.
I have nothing agents anyone having a sneaky smoke, but I'm not trying to point out the recreational uses.
As a matter of fact, I believe governments are aware if the herb was legal, half the country would ease off the booze.
Imagine the amount of drug related crimes they'd make vanish over night, street dealers would be a thing of the past.

You don't find hippies on the streets at night falling out in front of cars, they're more peace loving creatures of nature.
Put two marquees side by side, throw a party for smokers in one and a party for drinkers in the other, guess which one
will have a few visits from the police before the night is out, guess which one I'll be in.
Just because they make it illegal, doesn't mean everyone's not doing it, because most are.

Just trying to keep the circle going, keep talking about it and eventually enough people will make the law change for the better.
If it helps someone and it would help a lot, then that's good enough reason to make it available for certain reasons, illnesses etc.
If you had a sick friend or family member, and you knew for years that without even considering the consequences, doctors are
prescribing them with all sorts of medication that's fu**ing them up worse than any natural substance could do.
And they're already past the stage of undergoing any major changes to their psychical state.
Get them off prescribed drugs, ease off the alcohol and rest assured after one or two puffs their pain will drift away.
I dunno this world is messed up. Many people are law abiding citizens, they'd never try something that's practically harmless
but because someone said it's bad they will never know the benefits it does provide if used for the right reasons.

hullaballoo

Moderator: I have moved some off topic posts (including my own!:o) into a separate thread for discussion so as not to derail this thread. New thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057265533

Sounds

You need to find a new smoking area Hull, at least you're considerate
Wondering what happened to Ask Peeves... did he quit from death threats

Anyway..

gctest50

Sounds wrote: »

......... I still like a beer now and then but that's it, no spirits if i can help.

lot less in say 2 whiskeys vs. 2 pint of cider

Sounds

If you're drinking spirits all your life, your insides will be a lot worse than if you were drinking pints.
Spirits have destroyed my father, and now he's too old and too sick to do anything about it.
We'll be lucky if they get him into hospital today.

goz83

Sounds wrote: »

If you're drinking spirits all your life, your insides will be a lot worse than if you were drinking pints.
Spirits have destroyed my father, and now he's too old and too sick to do anything about it.
We'll be lucky if they get him into hospital today.

I disagree. I don't drink much anymore; haven't drank like a fish for years. But I prefer to have a whiskey than a beer. I drink both though.

In my teens and early twenties, when i drank too much of either poison, i would be a lot worse off if i drank the equivalent units in beer, than whiskey. That's just my tuppence.


Back on topic. I don't know a great deal about marijuana. I know my brother half destroyed himself after smoking cannabis for over 15 years. He had lots of smoking buddies and all of them were lazy spongers, until they stopped smoking weed. IMO, they put their lives into a slow cruise mode while they smoked weed. They lacked motivation to progress themselves.

That said, I would be curious about the pain relief. I have severe pain from an RTA a few months ago and have a herniated disc, which has had no relief from any pain killers. The pain killers have mainly just caused stomach problems and drowsiness.

Sounds

I'd tend to agree with you about weed making people less active and lazy, but weed is very potent,
I had a lot of smoking buddies too, some of them could smoke all day and carry on as normal,
But the majority of people cannot function properly after a strong dose of weed.

And I'm not saying that someone suffering should keep smoking until they are completely numb.
A small dose can do a lot of good for chronic pain or any sort of pain, and it doesn't have to be the strongest.

And that's probably one of the main reasons it's not legalized in many countries.
Plus the fact that most smokers don't drink that much, the gov would be doing themselves out of pocket if they legalized it.
Plus half the scumbags in the country would probably put hits out on government officials for legalizing it, fear.

But that is not a reason to ban it outright, it's relives pain and makes you numb to pain, not necessary curing your illness,
Some people are so far gone, that they don't really have any other options, other than force prescribed drugs into their bodies.
And I know that prescribed medication is not always a good thing, when you're in agony, you'll take anything and lots of it causing
you more harm than good, on the other hand, a few puffs of a natural herb won't destroy you'r insides like chemical medication.

I think people have the right to choose, the only thing stopping them is the fact governments say it's illegal.
That's refusing to help a sick person decide whether they want to take chemicals or try something more natural.

They need to wake up and start thinking about the good properties rather than the negative side to it.

Little CuChulainn

Hard cases make bad law. The ops story is a sad one but he is looking for more drugs for a person who is chronically addicted to alcohol and mixes it with morphine. If marijuana is ever legalised, I hope it is part of a much larger strategy aimed at targeting addictions.

Sounds

People tend to smoke weed, because they wanted to get high, nobody forced them to take the drugs.
Unfortunately, everyone or almost everyone smokes some form of weed, and it's harder to say no when
you're surrounded by people that are smoking it, and enjoying it, especially for younger people.
That's how most people get started, they probably don't have a good enough reason to quit.
There's been many cases where ill persons on heavy meds have tried a natural alternative
and ask themselves "Why didn't I try this before". because you were too ignorant.

Like I said, it doesn't have to be strong to help, if it's controlled then you only get what you need.

If you died from smoking weed, probably the only substance in it that kills you will be the tobacco.

The only thing any smokable drug will do for a person that's in agonizing pain is relief them from their pain.
If you're laying on the ground for 3 days because you're in too much pain to try stand, what would you do?
Most would say go to the hospital, that's not my dad, he's very stubborn and it will probably be the death of him, hope not.
Keep taking the f**ing meds that are doing you no good, or try something natural that everyone says will relief your pain.

I'm sick of living in a society where people are so closed minded because all they think of is the negatives.

My dad has been sick for years, had a few falls that messed him up, it only gets worse, drink is the cause.
If he got meds it's because he didn't tell the doctors about his addictions, I'm 99% sure they knew about it.
then he probably got hooked on meds, dependent on them, that's exactly what prescribed meds do.

Sounds

Hard to believe that 9 weeks slipped by, my dad has been in hospital for all of them, he's been in 3 different hospitals.
I actually thought he was gonna kick the bucket the first two or 3 weeks, other patents telling me he has been calling
for his dad late at night, but he was out of it, and got pneumonia while staying in the first hospital.

But at least he will be home and sleeping in his own bed come the weekend, and actually like a new man.
I haven't seen him this clean in.. well I never have lol can't recall having a normal conversation in the past.
Hope he can keep off the alcohol.. well one of two pints won't hurt, in moderation.

If you want to see your father or mother go through the same, just leave them keep drinking like it's normal.
Alcohol is the cause and it gets ignored because alcohol companies and laws made it seem like it's part of your life,
When they really destroying your life if you become dependant, just like any other drug.
After all, it's a drug and drugs are highly addictive, alcohol is no exception.