planning permission process.. help!!

doireann08

Hi All

I have hired a garden designer to build a garden room in my back garden. I will need to get planning permission for it. But I do need help with the process.


For anyone who has done this before, did you hire someone else to help you manage the planning process.

As I have never done this before, I have a few questions:

• should I set up a pre-planning meeting with the local council first?
• Where do I get the site location map from? The planning department?
• My designer has the drawing completed of the final design for the garden. How much detail do I need to into - do I need to list the materials
• For the newspaper notice, how much detail do I need to go into for the description of the work

Thanks and apologies for all the questions.

sydthebeat

doireann08 wrote: »

Hi All

I have hired a garden designer to build a garden room in my back garden. I will need to get planning permission for it. But I do need help with the process.


For anyone who has done this before, did you hire someone else to help you manage the planning process.

As I have never done this before, I have a few questions:

• should I set up a pre-planning meeting with the local council first?
• Where do I get the site location map from? The planning department?
• My designer has the drawing completed of the final design for the garden. How much detail do I need to into - do I need to list the materials
• For the newspaper notice, how much detail do I need to go into for the description of the work

Thanks and apologies for all the questions.

You hire an agent to do all the above for you.

doireann08

great - thanks - does anyone have any recommendations of good agents in Dublin. How much would they charge typically?

I tried one or two architects and they said the project was too small for them:( Help!

sydthebeat

are you sure it requires permission, what size is it?

doireann08

Total garden dimensions are 11.9m x 5.71 m

The garden room is not fully enclosed - Has three walls. Dimensions are 3.53m x 4m.( Height is 2.7m including roof height - roof is flat) There is also a storage shed being built - we haven't worked out dimensions yet for this probably around 1 - 1.5 m2

We haven't finalised the design yet. One of the side walls for the garden room is glass and the other is stone cladding ( different look to the house as the house is red brick)

The garden room will be at back of back garden ( not attacjhed to house at all)

sydthebeat

who told you it required permission?
from what youve said so far it would appear exempt

doireann08

sydthebeat wrote: »

who told you it required permission?
from what youve said so far it would appear exempt

No one told me. I thought it might as the external finish of the garden room will not match the finish of the house

Plus I wasn't 100% sure about the 25sqm open space remaining. Apologies if these are all srupid questions. I am a complete novice

sydthebeat

doireann08 wrote: »

No one told me. I thought it might as the external finish of the garden room will not match the finish of the house

Plus I wasn't 100% sure about the 25sqm open space remaining. Apologies if these are all srupid questions. I am a complete novice

the external finishes only have to match if the garden room is not to the rear of the house..... as yours is to the rear its fine.

Also, your garden is 68 sq m, the room is 14 sq m + approx 2 sqm storage leaves you loads over 25 sq m.

doireann08

sydthebeat wrote: »

the external finishes only have to match if the garden room is not to the rear of the house..... as yours is to the rear its fine.

Also, your garden is 68 sq m, the room is 14 sq m + approx 2 sqm storage leaves you loads over 25 sq m.

thanks - i can breathe a huge sigh of relief!!

sydthebeat

doireann08 wrote: »

thanks - i can breathe a huge sigh of relief!!

im not giving you any definites im just going by everything youve said so far.

doireann08

i had rang the planning department also to get confirmation

they were reluctant to give definite confirmation but were saying if i wanted peace of mind I could send in the drawings and pay 80E and they could give a definite answer

I also rang the building control department to ask if i needed to get certificates etc etc. I was told no. Hard to figure it all out as I get told different things

sydthebeat

doireann08 wrote: »

i had rang the planning department also to get confirmation

they were reluctant to give definite confirmation but were saying if i wanted peace of mind I could send in the drawings and pay 80E and they could give a definite answer

I also rang the building control department to ask if i needed to get certificates etc etc. I was told no. Hard to figure it all out as I get told different things

what the planing office said is called making a section 5 application.... it means your asking them to officially determine if its exempt or not.

it would still mean having drawings done and waiting for them to decide.

otherwise, ask a local planing agent / architect / architectural technician

doireann08

sydthebeat wrote: »

what the planing office said is called making a section 5 application.... it means your asking them to officially determine if its exempt or not.

it would still mean having drawings done and waiting for them to decide.

otherwise, ask a local planing agent / architect / architectural technician

That is what I was thinking of doing just for piece of mind. The garden designer will be going up drawings, but the problem I was having was getting an agent to manage the section 5 application for me. I am being told the job is too small. I only need them to help with the application process. Design is being done by garden designer.

I was talking to my property management company and they were saying I didn't really need to make a section 5 application, but if I really wanted to be 100% sure, I could make this application. One of the other people I spoke to in the planning department then just said I was exempt... Another person in planning just said, make a section 5 application... So unsure what the right thing to do is. Should I just go ahead or make the section 5 application ...

sydthebeat

doireann08 wrote: »

That is what I was thinking of doing just for piece of mind. The garden designer will be going up drawings, but the problem I was having was getting an agent to manage the section 5 application for me. I am being told the job is too small. I only need them to help with the application process. Design is being done by garden designer.

I was talking to my property management company and they were saying I didn't really need to make a section 5 application, but if I really wanted to be 100% sure, I could make this application. One of the other people I spoke to in the planning department then just said I was exempt... Another person in planning just said, make a section 5 application... So unsure what the right thing to do is. Should I just go ahead or make the section 5 application ...

if it was me, id fire ahead as everything youve said would make it exempt.

once:
1. No such structure shall be constructed, erected or placed forward of the front wall of a house.

2. The total area of such structures constructed, erected or placed within the curtilage of a house shall not, taken together with any other such structures previously constructed, erected or placed within the said curtilage, exceed 25 square metres.

3. The construction, erection or placing within the curtilage of a house of any such structure shall not reduce the amount of private open space reserved exclusively for the use of the occupants of the house to the rear or to the side of the house to less than 25 square metres.

4. The external finishes of any garage or other structure constructed, erected or placed to the side of a house, and the roof covering where any such structure has a tiled or slated roof, shall conform with those of the house.

5. The height of any such structure shall not exceed, in the case of a building with a tiled or slated pitched roof, 4 metres or, in any other case, 3 metres.

6. The structure shall not be used for human habitation or for the keeping of pigs, poultry, pigeons, ponies or horses, or for any other purpose other than a purpose incidental to the enjoyment of the house as such.

are complied with, youre fine.

doireann08

sydthebeat wrote: »

if it was me, id fire ahead as everything youve said would make it exempt.

once:
1. No such structure shall be constructed, erected or placed forward of the front wall of a house. - We are fine here

2. The total area of such structures constructed, erected or placed within the curtilage of a house shall not, taken together with any other such structures previously constructed, erected or placed within the said curtilage, exceed 25 square metres. Fine here

3. The construction, erection or placing within the curtilage of a house of any such structure shall not reduce the amount of private open space reserved exclusively for the use of the occupants of the house to the rear or to the side of the house to less than 25 square metres.

4. The external finishes of any garage or other structure constructed, erected or placed to the side of a house, and the roof covering where any such structure has a tiled or slated roof, shall conform with those of the house. Don't think this applies as it is a flat roof, not at side of house, walls anf flat roof will be completely different to main house

5. The height of any such structure shall not exceed, in the case of a building with a tiled or slated pitched roof, 4 metres or, in any other case, 3 metres. Fine here

6. The structure shall not be used for human habitation or for the keeping of pigs, poultry, pigeons, ponies or horses, or for any other purpose other than a purpose incidental to the enjoyment of the house as such. Fine here

are complied with, youre fine.

You are a star!! Thanks for your help. Its a nightmare trying to get a straight answer from anyone. I don't mind if I need to get planning permission, but would rather know now what I need to do. The planning department and the building control department in the county council aren't much help as they don't seem to want to provide clarification on the phone

hexosan

doireann08 wrote: »

You are a star!! Thanks for your help. Its a nightmare trying to get a straight answer from anyone. I don't mind if I need to get planning permission, but would rather know now what I need to do. The planning department and the building control department in the county council aren't much help as they don't seem to want to provide clarification on the phone

The main problem like every single thing in the public service is no one wants to put their name to anything so they simple pass the buck.

doireann08

hexosan wrote: »

The main problem like every single thing in the public service is no one wants to put their name to anything so they simple pass the buck.

exactly so hard to get a straight answer particularly with the new building control regs. I asked them did i need get get an assigned certifier, get fire cert.. etc etc. I was told no, but they didn't seem 100% sure and no one seems to be sure