English Setter recall/training classes

NewStart!

Hi everyone I was wondering does anyone have any advice on a English Setter I thought here might be a good place to post as he seems to be more of a working dog than a pet.

The problem is he does not listen to me and I seem to have no relationship with the dog what so ever. He does not get excited to see me when I feed him, bring him for walks etc, more interested in barging past me to get out and try and get off.

He recently broke the lead when I had him in the field and bolted. No amount of shouting or calling could get him even to turn his head it was head down and ran. Managed to catch him after half an hour of chasing and a mountainy ewe had cornered him in a drain.He has never been left off the lead apart from that incident because he has no recall what so ever even as a pup he was independent. He is kept on a chain during the day ( He had a run but ate through the chainlink).

I got him when he was around 7/8 weeks he was dumped from a car and a rescue had him then he came to me. He is now 8 months of age. He was coming back to the whistle 50% of the time in enclosed spaces with no other distractions however this has now completely stopped.

He has never really listened to me
The issue is he now has become a terror to have around the place. He cannot be left out around on his own ( I live on a farm) as he will bolt and chase and try and kill whatever he can find, cats, horses, cattle, sheep. He is a nightmare on the lead charging and pulling and wont walk nicely beside me.

Does anyone have any recommendations of trainers in the Waterford area that are used to these type of dogs ? I was with a trainer but it wasn't working out and we were getting no where. Or any other recommendations on how to get him to listen to me ( Food treats don't work) or the use of e-collors if these would work ?
I am thinking of getting him neutered would this calm him down make him listen more ?


Thank you for reading and I hope this is okay to post here

deeksofdoom

Some dogs are easy to work with while others can be proper bastards.

Sounds like you have a proper bastard and if you are not going to be or haven't been consistent with him when training then your wasting your time.

If he is chasing livestock like that then he is going to get himself shot or you in a lot of trouble.

My advice would be to 'get rid of him', if he's not any pleasure to you and ye're not clicking don't waste anymore time with him, he has too many faults now to be worth training.

NewStart!

Thanks for your reply. I was spending 10/15 minutes every evening doing sit, stay, lie, etc which he had got into his thick head and then that stopped getting through 2/3 months ago. Do you know would a e-collar snap him out of it or is it just a waste of money.
thanks for the reply

deeksofdoom

The dog is only 8 months old now.

You normally don't start training a dog until its 6 months.

By the sound of things you started way to young on the dog, then you got fed up and left it go.

I have a setter pup at the moment and she's only 5 months she knows her name and comes to the recall that's about it. She's been running a few ditches with the older dog and that's all, no pressure on her and its all play for her at the moment.

I don't give her a command if I think she's going to disobey it, i.e. if she's running after something or with the other dog I don't call her because she will more than likely ignore me, she will then get used to ignoring me when I call her and there's your recall gone. I don't want to be running after her to correct her.

As for e-collar, it may work but you'ld want to know what your doing with it. I personally wouldn't ever use one.

Also kicking the ****e out of dog doesn't help with training either, that's a surefire way of ruining it.

irish setter

He sounds like one of those dogs that's not quiet all there. No bond and not being happy to see you are bad signs. I'd agree with first poster

allan450

has he pointed anything yet.if you can get manners on him he sounds like a dog with alot of drive.first thing is get him used to live stock.get him in a proper pen and not chained.getting him a retractable lead for the first while and practice your recall and stop whistle with him.after that all going well could take a week or a month get a long check cord let him range a bit further and try your recall and stop whistle again.if he loves food then that will help when he returns and sits give me a treat and make a fuse.Next stage bring him to a bog/field with no distractions and try him run free with the check cord still on him though so you can catch him.If he bolts and doesnt return hide he might panic and return.if not catch him scruff him back to the car and start again any other day.3 stage if he is steady to the above introduce the turn whistle with hand signs your on the pigs back then.birds next lots of birds thats when it will test your training dont worry if it goes wrong the odd day it happens the best of dogs.he will chase hares scruff him the first few time he does.as you get to know the dog more you will notice he will set different for different game.chasing hares is a nightmare to get out of.take it slow a good foundation is key.hope this helps Allan

marlin vs

A right piss take tread.

deeksofdoom

Pissing against the wind thread.