"List price" - new cars

Spurs4ever

What would be a typical discount on the list price?

I was handed an A4 print off of the prices at the garage yesterday. The prices on the manufacturer's Irish website are €500 cheaper.

The car is common enough and was first manufactured in 2013. Circa €30k to €35k. Cash buyer.

Is there much wriggle room with these things?

I'm not a stinge and I think the garage owner is sound, but I just want to make sure I'm getting a good deal.

keithclancy

Garage list price includes delivery charge ?

Spurs4ever

keithclancy wrote: »

Garage list price includes delivery charge ?

Do they tack that on the end? It's my local dealer. He doesn't need to "deliver" it anywhere. I'll be driving it off the forecourt.

keithclancy

Spurs4ever wrote: »

Do they tack that on the end? It's my local dealer. He doesn't need to "deliver" it anywhere. I'll be driving it off the forecourt.

That's what I'm asking you, but in general all the main dealers tack on a Delivery Charge of some sort.

Spurs4ever

keithclancy wrote: »

That's what I'm asking you, but in general all the main dealers tack on a Delivery Charge of some sort.

Didn't mention delivery charge...

So if I can get paintwork and delivery charges all included + 10% discount, would I be doing well?

bazz26

Spurs4ever wrote: »

Do they tack that on the end? It's my local dealer. He doesn't need to "deliver" it anywhere. I'll be driving it off the forecourt.

Yes but it costs money to have the car delivered from the factory to the dealership which in turn is passed onto the customer. This the industry norm.

bazz26

List price usually is the retail price and delivery charges. Things like metallic or pearl paint would not be included in this price.

Percentage of discount, there really is no fixed price discount. Depends on the model in question, the dealer's margin, etc.

Spurs4ever

bazz26 wrote: »

Yes but it costs money to have the car delivered from the factory to the dealership which in turn is passed onto the customer. This the industry norm.

It costs money to extract metal from the earth, deliver it to the factory and make it into an engine block. I can't buy a car with no engine, nor can I buy a car that's undelivered sitting in a carpark in Japan.

It's not a brand new model. It's a 2013 model and quite common car.

Wossack

can actually collect in person with some makes (audi for example)

Henry Ford III

If it's a used car what has the manufacturers list price to do with anything?

Any discount will be dependent on how keenly the used car is priced.

Spurs4ever

Henry Ford III wrote: »

If it's a used car what has the manufacturers list price to do with anything?

Any discount will be dependent on how keenly the used car is priced.

Thanks for that. It's a new car. Petrol Toyota.

I just want to know a realistic fair price that these cars sell for. I don't want to go in all guns blazing looking for 10% when this is impossible. The salesmen are sound, but I still feel there's more room.

mgbgt1978

Spurs4ever wrote: »

Thanks for that. It's a new car. Petrol Toyota.

I just want to know a realistic fair price that these cars sell for. I don't want to go in all guns blazing looking for 10% when this is impossible. The salesmen are sound, but I still feel there's more room.

....of course they are :rolleyes:

God, you are very evasive with your answers. Petrol Toyota ???? Model, Trim level, trade-in involved, Cash or Credit ?

Drummerboy08

If you're really, really good at negotiating, you're buying with cash, and you get someone who needs to make up a few units to sell for their monthly/annual target I'd say you'd get 7% on a new Toyota maybe a little more.

If you get someone who's completely mental, they could technically probably give you 10% to get a deal, but I don't think they'll give it away unless they're fairly desperate for the business.

Spurs4ever

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

....of course they are :rolleyes:

Why wouldn't they be? Why do you rolleyes?

wrote:

God, you are very evasive with your answers. Petrol Toyota ???? Model, Trim level, and is it a new car ?

New car (as above). Do you have any comments on realistic ballpark wriggle room levels for generic, no-frills standard Toyotas?

Spurs4ever

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

If you're really, really good at negotiating, you're buying with cash, and you get someone who needs to make up a few units to sell for their monthly/annual target I'd say you'd get 7% on a new Toyota.

Cheers. Thank you for the heads up. As you can probably guess, I don't buy and sell cars every day of the week. It's great to have access to this information.

Guy:Incognito

Spurs4ever wrote: »

New car (as above). Do you have any comments on realistic ballpark wriggle room levels for generic, no-frills standard Toyotas?

The levels of available discount could vary a fair bit between models in the range and between trim levels.

Drummerboy08

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The levels of available discount could vary a fair bit between models in the range and between trim levels.

There could be extra discount on certain models too, really the only way to find out the best price is to go to 3 or 4 dealers, tell them exactly the car you want, tell them you're going to 3 or 4 other dealers also and it's best price wins.

colm_mcm

Petrol Corollas are not sought after though. I wouldn't be surprised if they let one out at cost.

Spurs4ever

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The levels of available discount could vary a fair bit between models in the range and between trim levels.

Is it true that dealers make much bigger commissions selling finance plans?

AltAccount

Spurs4ever wrote: »

New car (as above). Do you have any comments on realistic ballpark wriggle room levels for generic, no-frills standard Toyotas?

It's car dependent, as per all the posts above - you'll get more discount off an in stock white petrol Avensis than you will a silver diesel, because the first one is about as desirable as a dose of the clan.

Just tell us what the bloody car is!

bazz26

Spurs4ever wrote: »

It costs money to extract metal from the earth, deliver it to the factory and make it into an engine block. I can't buy a car with no engine, nor can I buy a car that's undelivered sitting in a carpark in Japan.

It's not a brand new model. It's a 2013 model and quite common car.

If the car has never been registered before then it is brand new irrespective of when it was first launched. It still came from the factory at some point and there is a cost associated with that is passed on to the buyer.

You can argue about metal from the ground till the cows come home but the reality is that the list price on the manufacturer's site doesn't include delivery charges. It probably has that written somewhere on the bottom of the site in small writing. Even on ads in newspapers and tv you see it at the bottom telling you "price excl. delivery related charges". The dealer's price will include this and possibly metallic/pearl effect paint on the particular car in question.

colm_mcm

Spurs4ever wrote: »

Is it true that dealers make much bigger commissions selling finance plans?

No. They sell you the car for X amount, and then get commission on the amount you finance.
Shop around for the finance and if the garage is cheaper and you don't mind doing HP with bank of Ireland then what harm.


When you say 2013 model I assume you mean it'll be 142 reg but the model came out last year.

Spurs4ever

bazz26 wrote: »

If the car has never been registered before then it is brand new irrespective of when it was first launched. It still came from the factory at some point and there is a cost associated with that is passed on to the buyer.

You can argue about metal from the ground till the cows come home but the reality is that the list price on the manufacturer's site doesn't include delivery charges. It probably has that written somewhere on the bottom of the site in small writing. Even on ads in newspapers and tv you see it at the bottom telling you "price excl. delivery related charges". The dealer's price will include this and possibly metallic/pearl effect paint on the particular car in question.

It was launched in 2013.

I understand that one shouldn't expect a massive discount on brand new designs.

Drummerboy08

Delivery isn't just transport from the factory to the dealer, it's the PDI cost, Valet cost, probably some fuel and possibly mats too.

Gumbo

Spurs4ever wrote: »

It was launched in 2013.

Jesus, will you just say what bleeding car it is. Very childish behaviour and I question your seriousness in looking for any car the way you are acting in this thread alone.

Spurs4ever

colm_mcm wrote: »

No. They sell you the car for X amount, and then get commission on the amount you finance.
Shop around for the finance and if the garage is cheaper and you don't mind doing HP with bank of Ireland then what harm.


When you say 2013 model I assume you mean it'll be 142 reg but the model came out last year.

Zero interest in entering into a finance contract.

I had it in my mind that they got lots of commission on signing people up to the finance plans. I just wanted to know how salesmen perceive cash buyers. I mean, if some 2010 Quashai-driving woman rolls up looking for a finance plan, which customer would be of greater priority? I just want to get an idea of my negotiating strengths/weaknesses so I can hopefully save a few quid!

Drummerboy08

The finance buyer will get priority because the salesman will get commission out of it - either for the finance introduction to the Business Manager or commission directly from the finance company. Ultimately a dealership can make decent money on the finance side of things these days so they'll want as many people as possible to go down that road.

Gumbo

Spurs4ever wrote: »

Zero interest in entering into finance contracts.

I had it in my mind that they got lots of commission on signing people up to the finance plans. I just wanted to know how salesmen perceive cash buyers. I mean, if some 2010 Quashai-driving woman rolls up looking for a finance plan, which customer would be of greater priority? I just want to get an idea of my negotiating strengths/weaknesses so I can hopefully save a few quid!

Whoever is willing to deal there and then gets priority. It makes no difference to them at the end of the day if you are cash, finance or even trading in as most likely your car will be entering the trade and a small dealer will be buying from them.

Drummerboy08

Sorry, just one more thing. Don't forget to leave some money in it for the next guy! You'll get treated much better if there's something in it for the salesman too.

guscon

Hey guys,
ye might be able to help me out, I'm looking to buy a house, cant tell ye where it is, what size it is, how many rooms it has or anything about it. But it is a well known design but not brand new, Do ye think I can get much off it? Will cost about 300k to 350k but just checking to make sure I'm getting a good bargin,
Thanks

Spurs4ever

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Sorry, just one more thing. Don't forget to leave some money in it for the next guy! You'll get treated much better if there's something in it for the salesman too.

Yes, I agree that is an important thing to consider. I certainly wouldn't discount the value of that. I do like to "be looked after" as a customer and believe in karma. I don't like doing deals that leave a sour taste.

Spurs4ever

guscon wrote: »

Hey guys,
ye might be able to help me out, I'm looking to buy a house, cant tell ye where it is, what size it is, how many rooms it has or anything about it. But it is a well known design but not brand new, Do ye think I can get much off it? Will cost about 300k to 350k but just checking to make sure I'm getting a good bargin,
Thanks

Do houses depreciate by 30% to 40% when you turn the key for the first time?

colm_mcm

Spurs4ever wrote: »

Do houses depreciate by 30% to 40% when you turn the key for the first time?

In some countries yes. Japan for example.

Gumbo

Spurs4ever wrote: »

Do houses depreciate by 30% to 40% when you turn the key for the first time?

If your that worried about it, don't buy one. Buy second hand.

Spurs4ever

kceire wrote: »

If your that worried about it, don't buy one. Buy second hand.

Telling me I should buy second hand is about as relevant to this discussion as making assertions about Tokyo real estate prices.

Gumbo

Spurs4ever wrote: »

Telling me I should buy second hand is about as relevant to this discussion as making assertions about Tokyo real estate prices.

In fairness, we don't know what your buying, if anything so every post here could be relevant information.

colm_mcm

Spurs4ever wrote: »

Telling me I should buy second hand is about as relevant to this discussion as making assertions about Tokyo real estate prices.

I thought it was a serious question.



Also, any new car that you get a generous discount on would be a less desirable model that will likely depreciate more.

guscon

But seriously, whats the car and spec? what price were you given?

AltAccount

Spurs4ever wrote: »

Do houses depreciate by 30% to 40% when you turn the key for the first time?

So you're looking for advice on whether you can get (hypothetically) 9% discount instead of 7% on an asset that you believe will depreciate 30-40% virtually immediately?

colm_mcm

Isn't the OP looking at a new model Corolla 1.33 Terra? Did I imagine this?

guscon

colm_mcm wrote: »

Isn't the OP looking at a new model Corolla 1.33 Terra? Did I imagine this?

I think the OP is a car salesman looking to do some free( i.e sneaky) marktet research on the good folks on boards

colm_mcm

I must be going mad, didn't see the 30-35k bit earlier

Spurs4ever

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Delivery isn't just transport from the factory to the dealer, it's the PDI cost, Valet cost, probably some fuel and possibly mats too.

That's all very fine. I don't care how long it took to write the software for the engine computer, nor do I care how the car gets to the forecourt.

Spurs4ever

guscon wrote: »

I think the OP is a car salesman looking to do some free( i.e sneaky) marktet research on the good folks on boards

Do you believe the moon landings were fake too?

bazz26

Spurs4ever wrote: »

That's all very fine. I don't care how long it took to write the software for the engine computer, nor do I care how the car gets to the forecourt.

Nobody is asking you to care but the price you will pay will include delivery and related charges. So unless you are collecting the car from the factory move on from it.

delly

I'm calling troll on this thread tbh. Plenty of helpful info, yet OP is antagonising the masses.

Spurs4ever

delly wrote: »

I'm calling troll on this thread tbh. Plenty of helpful info, yet OP is antagonising the masses.

To be honest, I'm finding this website quite hostile. If boards.ie Ltd. aren't selling anything and users aren't buying anything; I guess it's inevitable that all that's left are a bunch of over-opinionated loud-mouths clambering for position as to who is the greatest loud-mouth. I have been accused of being all kinds of things over the last 24 hours (including abusive emails).

There you've baited me. I'll leave ye to it now. Thanks to those of you who had useful information to share.

biko

Thread is a mess.