Opinions needed for college laptop

chinacup

Hopefully going to uni next month if I get my course. I'm not very tech savvy and don't understand a lot of the terminology around laptops so I hope by posting this, some of you more in the know could offer your opinions of what to get for college life.

I'm setting a budget of approximately 600 euro for a new or second hand laptop. I will also need to buy a printer not included in this budget.
Disk drive, usb+headphone ports and webcam are all necessary.

This is very general but it needs to be a tough and fast laptop. As in it needs to be able to survive a clumsy, busy owner and fast enough to multitask, withstand a lot of use, not crash around exam time and not be prone to too many annoying glitches!

It needs all the basic programmes for uni work too, like word and power point and all the better if they are pre installed. I will be using chrome as the main browser and will probably stream movies and watch youtube videos often. So a longer lasting battery (6hours+) and also light in weight would be bonuses but not totally necessary.

Last laptop I got was an Asus (450euro) recommended by my friend who is a computer nerd but it only lasted 3 years before the battery gave in, started slowing down a lot and cosmetically falling apart! I'm not sure if thats standard but I would like my next one to last longer.

I would really welcome any additional points or information people have to add as I'm just starting my search now and want to know as much as possible to make sure to make the right decision! Thanks in advance.

sw33t_r3v3ng3

I would say make sure you get something with an i5 processor at the least ( if you can afford it? ). I have an ASUS with an i3 and it gets a bit bogged down at times!

You could probably do with at least a 750gb hard drive if not a 1TB hard drive! I would definitely try to get 1TB for college.
Youd probably need around 8gigs of ram for it to be fast.

And id recommend windows 7 for the OS. Windows 8 in my opnion is just unstable and theres updated every couple of weeks which for college isn't very practical.

Id recommend a Toshiba or HP. Try out harvey norman's website. http://www.harveynorman.ie/computing/laptops/

chinacup

sw33t_r3v3ng3 wrote: »

I would say make sure you get something with an i5 processor at the least ( if you can afford it? ). I have an ASUS with an i3 and it gets a bit bogged down at times!

You could probably do with at least a 750gb hard drive if not a 1TB hard drive! I would definitely try to get 1TB for college.
Youd probably need around 8gigs of ram for it to be fast.

And id recommend windows 7 for the OS. Windows 8 in my opnion is just unstable and theres updated every couple of weeks which for college isn't very practical.

Id recommend a Toshiba or HP. Try out harvey norman's website. http://www.harveynorman.ie/computing/laptops/

Thanks so much. Some points there I wouldn't have thought of. Is a large hard drive necessary if you can set your documents up on cloud? Or is this practical to do, I'm not sure.?

sw33t_r3v3ng3

chinacup wrote: »

Thanks so much. Some points there I wouldn't have thought of. Is a large hard drive necessary if you can set your documents up on cloud? Or is this practical to do, I'm not sure.?

Honestly Putting documents on cloud isn't something i ever really do! I mean if your worried about losing documents you also have the option of an external hard drive. You'd pick a 1TB one up for around 80e. I find it better to have something physical than just up on the cloud but that's just me. It's really up to personal opinion whether or not you use cloud.

Another thing i would say is that you will very rarely get 6 hours from a battery. Most get about 3-4 at the most. Given some exceptions of course.

chinacup

sw33t_r3v3ng3 wrote: »

Honestly Putting documents on cloud isn't something i ever really do! I mean if your worried about losing documents you also have the option of an external hard drive. You'd pick a 1TB one up for around 80e. I find it better to have something physical than just up on the cloud but that's just me. It's really up to personal opinion whether or not you use cloud.

Another thing i would say is that you will very rarely get 6 hours from a battery. Most get about 3-4 at the most. Given some exceptions of course.

Ya I was thinking all on cloud and backing it up onto laptop/removable memory when necessary so in built memory wasn't a priority. But I don't know how smooth cloud storage is so I guess I should look into that more!

sw33t_r3v3ng3

chinacup wrote: »

Ya I was thinking all on cloud and backing it up onto laptop/removable memory when necessary so in built memory wasn't a priority. But I don't know how smooth cloud storage is so I guess I should look into that more!

I've used dropbox a fair bit before and their fairly good. I think you get 250mb free storage or something? Honestly cant recall. If you go into harvey norman or any place similar they will most likely try to sell you some cloud based backup. Tell em to piss off, Google drive and dropbox are 2 free options! Oh and make sure to get some anti virus with it! Usually you'll be able to haggle a bit off with a laptop!

Id definitely recommend Bullguard. Have it on my desktop and it works great. Its about 60-80e, if thats too pricey you could go for Mcafee(there alright not the best IMO) or Avast. I hear there good!

If your looking to use cloud the way you would built in storage (as in access it on a daily basis) I wouldn't recommend it unless you have a wireless dongle or plan on being connected to a network most of the time!

chinacup

sw33t_r3v3ng3 wrote: »

I've used dropbox a fair bit before and their fairly good. I think you get 250mb free storage or something? Honestly cant recall. If you go into harvey norman or any place similar they will most likely try to sell you some cloud based backup. Tell em to piss off, Google drive and dropbox are 2 free options! Oh and make sure to get some anti virus with it! Usually you'll be able to haggle a bit off with a laptop!

Id definitely recommend Bullguard. Have it on my desktop and it works great. Its about 60-80e, if thats too pricey you could go for Mcafee(there alright not the best IMO) or Avast. I hear there good!

If your looking to use cloud the way you would built in storage (as in access it on a daily basis) I wouldn't recommend it unless you have a wireless dongle or plan on being connected to a network most of the time!

This is all great info thanks! I actually won an anti virus when I was in coll a few years ago must have a root around for it and see is it still any good. All the extras for a laptop my gosh (: Ya I would hopefully have wifi all the time but sounds like cloud is awkward to use so maybe I'm best sticking to laptop storage I can always email myself the important docus!

sw33t_r3v3ng3

chinacup wrote: »

This is all great info thanks! I actually won an anti virus when I was in coll a few years ago must have a root around for it and see is it still any good. All the extras for a laptop my gosh (: Ya I would hopefully have wifi all the time but sounds like cloud is awkward to use so maybe I'm best sticking to laptop storage I can always email myself the important docus!

I know! At least you don't need to buy a keyboard and monitor! If you cant find it I would definitely have a look at Bullguard. I might be biased but i found it the best and its simple to use. And unlike Mcafee there is no annoying pop ups telling you another computer has connected to your network.
If you need any more help give us a shout!

whatawaster

Just use Microsoft Security Essentials.

It's free and I haven't had anything resembling a virus in about 6 years.

Overheal

chinacup wrote: »

Hopefully going to uni next month if I get my course. I'm not very tech savvy and don't understand a lot of the terminology around laptops so I hope by posting this, some of you more in the know could offer your opinions of what to get for college life.

I'm setting a budget of approximately 600 euro for a new or second hand laptop. I will also need to buy a printer not included in this budget.
Disk drive, usb+headphone ports and webcam are all necessary.

This is very general but it needs to be a tough and fast laptop. As in it needs to be able to survive a clumsy, busy owner and fast enough to multitask, withstand a lot of use, not crash around exam time and not be prone to too many annoying glitches!

It needs all the basic programmes for uni work too, like word and power point and all the better if they are pre installed. I will be using chrome as the main browser and will probably stream movies and watch youtube videos often. So a longer lasting battery (6hours+) and also light in weight would be bonuses but not totally necessary.

Last laptop I got was an Asus (450euro) recommended by my friend who is a computer nerd but it only lasted 3 years before the battery gave in, started slowing down a lot and cosmetically falling apart! I'm not sure if thats standard but I would like my next one to last longer.

I would really welcome any additional points or information people have to add as I'm just starting my search now and want to know as much as possible to make sure to make the right decision! Thanks in advance.

First of all what coursework and what University? Some institutions provide you the software you need, and frankly any modern laptop will run the MS Office Suite. This ties into printer needs as well: printers and their operating costs are pricey. Your institution surely offers printing services on-site and for 4 years it's more likely you'll spend less money printing there than buying a machine up-front and keeping it supplied with ink or toner.

3 years for a low-budget laptop (sub 500) is pretty typical. Every laptop I've ever owned frankly has cost at least twice as much as that, the oldest has been running strong for 7 years now, albeit with a poor battery life now, replacement screen and a failing backlight. It's a HTPC now.

Battery life is a difficult subject and the average I see in machines is 3 hours, even when they try to advertise longer, or are even Ultrabook certified and supposed to be capable of at least double that.

I strongly recommend cloud-syncing your files, most software suites including Microsoft and Adobe have those basically set up by default now these days anyway. It allows you to work on your laptop in the classroom and continue on a desktop elsewhere, even from any PC through any web browser you can pull up the Web App version of Word or Excel or Powerpoint, and OneNote is available on every mainstream device including Android and iOS - being able to pull up math/science notes you wrote on a Surface Pro or Galaxy Note onto your Desktop with 2 huge monitors is a huge productivity boost, and being able to tinker with a spreadhseet on your phone while you're about is just handy, especially when its your budget or something. Even just using google docs - docs is a great way to do project work with other people, the file is online and multiple users/project members can edit in realtime. I'll use google docs when I just need basic functions or collaboration features and MS Office for the beefier workloads.

sw33t_r3v3ng3 wrote: »

Honestly Putting documents on cloud isn't something i ever really do! I mean if your worried about losing documents you also have the option of an external hard drive. You'd pick a 1TB one up for around 80e. I find it better to have something physical than just up on the cloud but that's just me. It's really up to personal opinion whether or not you use cloud.

I've been in the situations where if you lost or misplaced that drive, you're ****ed. If you forgot to bring it with you that day, you're ****ed. If you forgot to transfer over the latest file version, you're ****ed. If you dropped or broke it, you're ****ed. 5+ years ago these were the most tenable option, and still are if you DO work with large masses of files (photographers, movie editing, etc) but for most of us including designers and programmers our "briefcase" of used files falls well inside of a gigabyte, and for the same reasons I don't trust an HDD I don't trust a thumbdrive, they are easy to lose and easy to 'brick' with improper ejection or simple wear and tear. When my final project is a MATLAB script that takes up half a megabyte, I'd rather keep it up in cloudspace where it can be safely accessed everywhere. ExtHDDs are great tools for large volume backups and transfers but for daily use, cloud services are far more functional.

OneDrive is my preffered service for file storage and sync because it's already integrated into Windows 8.1 (or 7/8 with an installer) and into MS Office, and if you're running Windows 8 you probably already have one, as the same service is used by microsoft to backup and sync your bookmarks, preferences, and logins across your computers. It and others like DropBox give you a designated folder on your PC wherein any files within it are synced up to your cloud storage and any changes made are almost immediate.

KickButtowski

chinacup wrote: »

Hopefully going to uni next month if I get my course. I'm not very tech savvy and don't understand a lot of the terminology around laptops so I hope by posting this, some of you more in the know could offer your opinions of what to get for college life.

I'm setting a budget of approximately 600 euro for a new or second hand laptop. I will also need to buy a printer not included in this budget.
Disk drive, usb+headphone ports and webcam are all necessary.

This is very general but it needs to be a tough and fast laptop. As in it needs to be able to survive a clumsy, busy owner and fast enough to multitask, withstand a lot of use, not crash around exam time and not be prone to too many annoying glitches!

It needs all the basic programmes for uni work too, like word and power point and all the better if they are pre installed. I will be using chrome as the main browser and will probably stream movies and watch youtube videos often. So a longer lasting battery (6hours+) and also light in weight would be bonuses but not totally necessary.

Last laptop I got was an Asus (450euro) recommended by my friend who is a computer nerd but it only lasted 3 years before the battery gave in, started slowing down a lot and cosmetically falling apart! I'm not sure if thats standard but I would like my next one to last longer.

I would really welcome any additional points or information people have to add as I'm just starting my search now and want to know as much as possible to make sure to make the right decision! Thanks in advance.

First of all, if you want a laptop to last, you need to know how to take care of one. At the end of the day, it boils down to what do you need this laptop to do for you. From what you described any laptop of any kind can come with MS office, and play Youtube videos. If the laptop doesn't come with MS office, either buy it or find it somewhere else. Libre Office is free, Open Source and allows you to Open, edit and save documents in MS Word 2010 format.

You also seem to show many cases of not having a clue about computers or laptops in general, with your term 'computer nerd'. Your problems with your previous laptop can be due to a variety of factors not liable to the quality of the build of the laptop, but more-so to the lack of quality of care you have given it.

Battery life can deteriorate if you charge it erratically or run heavy programs on battery which should have been run when it was on AC.

It slowing down can be due to fragmentation of the hard drive, malware, excessive amounts of apps running at boot, junk applications and general misuse and not taking care of your laptop. Cosmetic deterioration follows the same path. General misuse and not taking care of it. You want a laptop that will take all the beating and lack of care that you intend to give it by describing yourself as a "clumsy, busy owner". Well mate, we all want to live in a perfect world but nothing is indestructible.

It will last if you take care of it i.e it won't slow down or crash! , research basic computer maintenance, i.e. disk defragmentation, registry cleaning, antivirus scanning and general monitoring of what apps you have installed. If you don't recognise an app, then you most likely didn't install it. Another program did. Be wary of this. Keep it clean! Be smart! Get a decent laptop bag to put your laptop in. And make sure it's always in there when you're not using it.

I'm in the same boat as you currently. Despite my experience with computers, I have a 6 year old Dell Inspiron, despite it running like new, it still isn't fast enough for my needs. I'm now 6 years out of date and I am learning what is value for money.

Overheal

I'll echo maintenance. Hardware and software maintenance, both can't be stressed enough. Even just the basic things like not knocking it around or throwing around your cables but also when the laptop gets older you're typically going to want to be a brave piglet and in some cases take it apart and do the physical maintenance: they collect dust, fluff, pollen, pet dander, etc. in the damndest places over several years, and going in there and getting the bunnies out can make an old machine run like new again - not just run quieter but cooler; heat is a computer's worst enemy. That old laptop had it's screen replaced, its wifi upgraded from G to N, and two complete dustbunny genocides. All of which were stressful ops but they helped prolong the life of that machine by about 250%

KickButtowski

Overheal wrote: »

I'll echo maintenance. Hardware and software maintenance, both can't be stressed enough. Even just the basic things like not knocking it around or throwing around your cables but also when the laptop gets older you're typically going to want to be a brave piglet and in some cases take it apart and do the physical maintenance: they collect dust, fluff, pollen, pet dander, etc. in the damndest places over several years, and going in there and getting the bunnies out can make an old machine run like new again - not just run quieter but cooler; heat is a computer's worst enemy. That old laptop had it's screen replaced, its wifi upgraded from G to N, and two complete dustbunny genocides. All of which were stressful ops but they helped prolong the life of that machine by about 250%

I wouldn't take apart a laptop unless you either 1. Knew what you were doing. 2. Are extremely confident and won't be put out if you entirely brick your laptop. Disassembling some laptops where design is prioritised over accessibility, it may be near impossible to get the dust out. My brothers HP packard bell laptop took nearly about 18 hours to study the design, disassemble and sort screws, note each stage of disassembly and then reassemble. The design on this laptop was so intrinsicate that I had to remove the screen and lift out the motherboard just to clean the fan! And even then I remember I was still very limited in my access to the fan.

Bottom line, I would keep things simple and focus on just software maintenence and basic die care to the computer. If you can do that OP, you'll be ahead of 90% of people who use computers. Because I run a little computer repair stint on the side and the amount of people who hand me laptops infected with a metric ****ton of viruses and other malware who tell me "I don't know what went wrong, it's gone very slow, should I get a mac would that be better?" Upon a small inspection it's easy to see they've attempted cram the internet onto their 250GB HDD and have every app in the world installed viruses and all.

Akrasia

I think you should consider halving your budget and getting a decent college laptop that can be replaced if it breaks or gets lost or stolen.

Some student lifestyles are pretty tough on laptops. My brother in law went through a laptop a year because people at parties spilt drinks and stood on them

There's a thread on bargain alerts at the moment about a decent sub 300 euro laptop

Akrasia

I think you should consider halving your budget and getting a decent college laptop that can be replaced if it breaks or gets lost or stolen.

Some student lifestyles are pretty tough on laptops. My brother in law went through a laptop a year because people at parties spilt drinks and stood on them

There's a thread on bargain alerts at the moment about a decent sub 300 euro laptop

KickButtowski

chinacup wrote: »

Ya I was thinking all on cloud and backing it up onto laptop/removable memory when necessary so in built memory wasn't a priority. But I don't know how smooth cloud storage is so I guess I should look into that more!

I'd recommend cloud storage over any other form of storage. Don't go near dropbox, If you have a Gmail account then log in and go to drive.google.com and download the desktop app. It gives you a massive 15GB of storage for all your college documents. I use it myself and have an extensive library of work, books and programs up there and I haven't even made a dent in the storage space!

chinacup

Akrasia wrote: »

I think you should consider halving your budget and getting a decent college laptop that can be replaced if it breaks or gets lost or stolen.

Some student lifestyles are pretty tough on laptops. My brother in law went through a laptop a year because people at parties spilt drinks and stood on them

There's a thread on bargain alerts at the moment about a decent sub 300 euro laptop

I'm not really one for parties or anything, going back as a mature student and kind of want to make an investment. I make the point about getting a sturdy one to be extra cautious but I won't subject it to any sillyness other than accidental damage that comes with being a busy student and probably cycling to and from there. But it should be grand. Actually I will probably be more cautious than your average student I'm just trying to think ahead!

chinacup

Overheal wrote: »

First of all what coursework and what University? Some institutions provide you the software you need, and frankly any modern laptop will run the MS Office Suite. This ties into printer needs as well: printers and their operating costs are pricey. Your institution surely offers printing services on-site and for 4 years it's more likely you'll spend less money printing there than buying a machine up-front and keeping it supplied with ink or toner.

3 years for a low-budget laptop (sub 500) is pretty typical. Every laptop I've ever owned frankly has cost at least twice as much as that, the oldest has been running strong for 7 years now, albeit with a poor battery life now, replacement screen and a failing backlight. It's a HTPC now.

Battery life is a difficult subject and the average I see in machines is 3 hours, even when they try to advertise longer, or are even Ultrabook certified and supposed to be capable of at least double that.

I strongly recommend cloud-syncing your files, most software suites including Microsoft and Adobe have those basically set up by default now these days anyway. It allows you to work on your laptop in the classroom and continue on a desktop elsewhere, even from any PC through any web browser you can pull up the Web App version of Word or Excel or Powerpoint, and OneNote is available on every mainstream device including Android and iOS - being able to pull up math/science notes you wrote on a Surface Pro or Galaxy Note onto your Desktop with 2 huge monitors is a huge productivity boost, and being able to tinker with a spreadhseet on your phone while you're about is just handy, especially when its your budget or something. Even just using google docs - docs is a great way to do project work with other people, the file is online and multiple users/project members can edit in realtime. I'll use google docs when I just need basic functions or collaboration features and MS Office for the beefier workloads.
I've been in the situations where if you lost or misplaced that drive, you're ****ed. If you forgot to bring it with you that day, you're ****ed. If you forgot to transfer over the latest file version, you're ****ed. If you dropped or broke it, you're ****ed. 5+ years ago these were the most tenable option, and still are if you DO work with large masses of files (photographers, movie editing, etc) but for most of us including designers and programmers our "briefcase" of used files falls well inside of a gigabyte, and for the same reasons I don't trust an HDD I don't trust a thumbdrive, they are easy to lose and easy to 'brick' with improper ejection or simple wear and tear. When my final project is a MATLAB script that takes up half a megabyte, I'd rather keep it up in cloudspace where it can be safely accessed everywhere. ExtHDDs are great tools for large volume backups and transfers but for daily use, cloud services are far more functional.

OneDrive is my preffered service for file storage and sync because it's already integrated into Windows 8.1 (or 7/8 with an installer) and into MS Office, and if you're running Windows 8 you probably already have one, as the same service is used by microsoft to backup and sync your bookmarks, preferences, and logins across your computers. It and others like DropBox give you a designated folder on your PC wherein any files within it are synced up to your cloud storage and any changes made are almost immediate.

Thanks for the advice everyone a lot of points here I'll take on before making a decision. This is what DCU have as a list of requirements.
http://www.dcu.ie/iss/student_laptop/byol.shtml

Overheal most likely something essay heavy but I don't know for sure yet! Nothing too specialist is needed though just a very decent all rounder laptop.

chinacup

KickButtowski wrote: »

It slowing down can be due to fragmentation of the hard drive, malware, excessive amounts of apps running at boot, junk applications and general misuse and not taking care of your laptop. Cosmetic deterioration follows the same path. General misuse and not taking care of it. You want a laptop that will take all the beating and lack of care that you intend to give it by describing yourself as a "clumsy, busy owner". Well mate, we all want to live in a perfect world but nothing is indestructible.

It will last if you take care of it i.e it won't slow down or crash! , research basic computer maintenance, i.e. disk defragmentation, registry cleaning, antivirus scanning and general monitoring of what apps you have installed. If you don't recognise an app, then you most likely didn't install it. Another program did. Be wary of this. Keep it clean! Be smart! Get a decent laptop bag to put your laptop in. And make sure it's always in there when you're not using it.

I'm in the same boat as you currently. Despite my experience with computers, I have a 6 year old Dell Inspiron, despite it running like new, it still isn't fast enough for my needs. I'm now 6 years out of date and I am learning what is value for money.

Thanks mate sound advice. "Computer nerd" is what my friend refers to himself as so I take no responsibility for that term lol! Ya I'm not going to be bashing it around might have come across wrong there. Just want a laptop that can survive as many eventualities as possible really. I thought maybe some makes or types would be more hard wearing or suitable for someone who is on the go a lot i.e a student. Probably wishful thinking! I will prob just invest in a hard case as suggested.

KickButtowski

chinacup wrote: »

Thanks mate sound advice. "Computer nerd" is what my friend refers to himself as so I take no responsibility for that term lol! Ya I'm not going to be bashing it around might have come across wrong there. Just want a laptop that can survive as many eventualities as possible really. I thought maybe some makes or types would be more hard wearing or suitable for someone who is on the go a lot i.e a student. Probably wishful thinking! I will prob just invest in a hard case as suggested.

Have you seen the laptop on amazon.de for ~€500? It's a solid buy, laptops around that spec are usually between €800-€1K so it's s steal. I bought one on monday and it's gonna be here sometime next week. Only thing you can fault with it is that it comes with no OS and a german keyboard, but you can map the irish input into it and plus it's not that hard to install a FreeOS, i.e Linux Mint, Ubuntu or just "find" a copy of windows.

If you want to see the laptop you can find it here: h1tps://tinyurl.com/pfpfy2n
//replace '1' with t. Not allowed post links cuz imma newbie.

If you want windows 8.1. Hit me up and I'll give you info on the best place to 'acquire' it.

;D

EDIT: It might be overkill for you so here is a lower spec .. && Much cheaper laptop that exceeds the specs listed out in this DCU 'smartbook' << dafuq?

h1tp://shop.lenovo.com/ie/en/laptops/lenovo/g-series/g50-70/?sb=:000001D4:00035B04:

//Replace '1' with 't'. **** Boards.

chinacup

Akrasia wrote: »

I think you should consider halving your budget and getting a decent college laptop that can be replaced if it breaks or gets lost or stolen.

Some student lifestyles are pretty tough on laptops. My brother in law went through a laptop a year because people at parties spilt drinks and stood on them

There's a thread on bargain alerts at the moment about a decent sub 300 euro laptop

Akrasia I ended up taking your advice in the end as I deferred my uni course and decided to do a fetac one instead so I got a standard Toshiba one. My plan is to sell this laptop in the new year along with another old one and get a better one in the January sales! Teachers were pressuring us to get a laptop but at least now I have an idea of what to look for, it'll be easier to make the decision in Jan. All I need to sort now is microsoft office! Anyone know how to "acquire" this as someone above suggested?

Overheal

just pointing out, teachers aren't getting kickbacks from OEMs/PC manufacturers so if they pressure you to get hardware, it's because its in your best interest. My own University sells reccomended laptops on campus (Macs and Dells) and to be fair no teacher ever has to reccomend hardware but the college you're in (College of Business, College of Engineering etc) will have its own stated reccomendations. I don't meet their reccomendations necessarily but I know what I'm working with. What's your major Chinacup?

chinacup

Overheal wrote: »

just pointing out, teachers aren't getting kickbacks from OEMs/PC manufacturers so if they pressure you to get hardware, it's because its in your best interest. My own University sells reccomended laptops on campus (Macs and Dells) and to be fair no teacher ever has to reccomend hardware but the college you're in (College of Business, College of Engineering etc) will have its own stated reccomendations. I don't meet their reccomendations necessarily but I know what I'm working with. What's your major Chinacup?

See above comment Bought a cheapish Toshiba for now, will buy a better laptop in Jan/toward summer and as I'm doing a fetac course they aren't too strict. We just have to have microsoft word 2010 specifically. The plan is occupational therapy/speech&language therapy for now but that could very well change!