Emergency tax

risteard7

I started a new job this week and my first wage is Friday the 16th. I was long term unemployed almost 5 years. I gave my pps number and p.45. My last employment date on the p.45 is from 2009. Will I have to pay emergency tax?

lazeedaisy

You should phone the free phone number that the tax office give, tell them your start date, pps number and your employer reg. number, that will ensure your details are up to date.

I gave new employer all my details & p45 still took 13 weeks on emergency tax, phoned the tax office sorted within the week.

lazeedaisy

http://www.revenue.ie/en/contact/lo-call.html

Choose relevant number here

barneystinson

lazeedaisy wrote: »

You should phone the free phone number that the tax office give, tell them your start date, pps number and your employer reg. number, that will ensure your details are up to date.

I gave new employer all my details & p45 still took 13 weeks on emergency tax, phoned the tax office sorted within the week.

That's down to the employer not doing the very simple task of registering the employment, using the simple online facilities available to them.

Employees ringing the tax office only takes up time needlessly and duplicates effort in the majority of cases where the employer can and does use the online facility.

The simplest thing to do OP is check with the employer that they've registered you and won't be operating emergency tax.

risteard7

Thanks for the replies. I thought giving a p45 to the employer meant no emergency tax?

Rubiee

As far as I am aware that only applies if the P45 is for this year. 2009 is too far back for it to apply. Usually there is a couple of weeks leeway before the full emergency rate kicks in anyway, so if employer has registered you it should be sorted quick enough.

GrumpyMe

barneystinson wrote: »

That's down to the employer not doing the very simple task of registering the employment, using the simple online facilities available to them.

Not always! I submitted a P46 via ROS 3rd week of April 2014 without success. Submitted again on 3rd week of May 2014 still no success!

barneystinson wrote: »

Employees ringing the tax office only takes up time needlessly and duplicates effort in the majority of cases where the employer can and does use the online facility.

Eventually couldn't but ask employee to phone or use PAYE online to get some action. They phoned and next day I had notice from ROS that new P2C was available!

In their defence I've usually found Revenue helpful and timely - couldn't/can't understand their failure to register via submissions on ROS!

lazeedaisy

barneystinson wrote: »

That's down to the employer not doing the very simple task of registering the employment, using the simple online facilities available to them.

Employees ringing the tax office only takes up time needlessly and duplicates effort in the majority of cases where the employer can and does use the online facility.

The simplest thing to do OP is check with the employer that they've registered you and won't be operating emergency tax.

That's funny, I got the opposite information from both my employer and the staff in the tax office.

I was told it was my responsibility, that the system changed, again the kind staff in the tax office for the sunny south east explained the process for me, when she asked why it took me 13weeks to phone them.

Maybe each sectionis different, that's My Experience which was only recent, only passing it on for what it's worth, as my employer also reiterated it.

Ring them anyway, I found them helpful and not in the least did I feel I was wasting anyone's time. They have been nothing but helpful since I lost my job in feb.

Congrats and good luck in the job

gerbilgranny

You won't automatically have a PAYE tax credit if you haven't been in employment at the end of 2013 - if you ring the Tax Office with the employer's PAYE Registered number, they can get things sorted for you very quickly and make sure you have both a Personal and a PAYE tax credit.

allthedoyles

risteard7 wrote: »

I started a new job this week and my first wage is Friday the 16th. I was long term unemployed almost 5 years. I gave my pps number and p.45. My last employment date on the p.45 is from 2009. Will I have to pay emergency tax?

Its your responsibility to get your tax affairs in order , and not employers .
An employer can be helpful , but unlikely .

Emergency tax is there for a reason , as it gives you time to sort out your affairs with tax office .

If you have Medical Card , inform both employer and tax office

cerastes

allthedoyles wrote: »

Its your responsibility to get your tax affairs in order , and not employers .
An employer can be helpful , but unlikely .

Emergency tax is there for a reason , as it gives you time to sort out your affairs with tax office .

If you have Medical Card , inform both employer and tax office

Why is it always a huge deduction? anytime Ive ever suffered emergency tax they take a huge chunk and then pay it back over time, that hardly gives people much in the way of options? or time to sort their tax affairs.
Be better if they took a nominal amount or a set value for a set pay and then give you a time period to have your details updated.

barneystinson

cerastes wrote: »

Why is it always a huge deduction? anytime Ive ever suffered emergency tax they take a huge chunk and then pay it back over time, that hardly gives people much in the way of options? or time to sort their tax affairs.
Be better if they took a nominal amount or a set value for a set pay and then give you a time period to have your details updated.

It's only a huge deduction if your employer doesn't have your PPSN. It normally starts off gentle and gets increasingly scaldy in 3 steps at 4 week intervals, over 12 weeks.

cerastes

lazeedaisy wrote: »

http://www.revenue.ie/en/contact/lo-call.html

Choose relevant number here

barneystinson wrote: »

It's only a huge deduction if your employer doesn't have your PPSN. It normally starts off gentle and gets increasingly scaldy in 3 steps at 4 week intervals, over 12 weeks.

Its usually a standard requirement to provide the employer a PPSN

Whenever I contacted revenue in the past they said employers can be slow about implementing changes as they issue a tax cert the next day, but they also said the employer can be slow or not issue their own reg number which means an employee cannot progress things as fast by doing it themselves or at all until they get that number (open to correction on the last bit, been a while).

Rob!

Ok - so I have a different query but since it falls under the heading of emergency tax I figured I'd post in this thread whilst its active.

Was on emergency tax for like 10 weeks.
Is eventually sorted, or so I thought.
On my payslip from the end of july it shows that my tax is now normal and that I'm being paid approx 1000 euro that I'm owed back. \
However I check with my bank and my employer never paid me.
I query this with the owner, and they say that they'll have it to me in a week or two!?
Wtf? It's my money - owed from the government - to me! How is this legal?

barneystinson

Rob! wrote: »

Ok - so I have a different query but since it falls under the heading of emergency tax I figured I'd post in this thread whilst its active.

Was on emergency tax for like 10 weeks.
Is eventually sorted, or so I thought.
On my payslip from the end of july it shows that my tax it now normal and that I'm being paid approx 1000 euro that I'm owed back. \
However I check with my bank and my employer never paid me.
I query this with the owner, and they say that they'll have it to me in a week or two!?
Wtf? It's my money - owed from the government - to me! How is this legal?

So, did you get not paid at all, or paid but not paid everything you're due?

Your employer must have a cash flow problem.

Rob!

barneystinson wrote: »

So, did you get not paid at all, or paid but not paid everything you're due?

Your employer must have a cash flow problem.

I got paid my regular wages, minus that the tax back.

And ya, I figured it might be a cashflow problem. However, I kinda feel like the government gave it back to them - for them to then pass onto me. Are they allowed to give it back to me whenever they feel like it.

I just feel like its not their money to play with and that it should be returned to me immediately.

barneystinson

Rob! wrote: »

I got paid my regular wages, minus that the tax back.

And ya, I figured it might be a cashflow problem. However, I kinda feel like the government gave it back to them - for them to then pass onto me. Are they allowed to give it back to me whenever they feel like it.

I just feel like its not their money to play with and that it should be returned to me immediately.

Hold on, when / how do you think the Govt gave it back to them?

Rob!

barneystinson wrote: »

Hold on, when / how do you think the Govt gave it back to them?

I don't understand how the whole system works but I'll let you know what I do know:

My employers were moaning that I was emergency tax and saying to sort it.
I did. I repeatedly rang the tax office. Had tax a credit cert issued 3 TIMES which my employer was too stupid to utilise. Eventually the folks in revenue ring my employer and sort it all out which is great.

The following week my pay slip says 'Normal', where it used to say 'emergency'.
I can see that I'm not being taxed anymore. (my credits outweigh me taxable income)

On the end of the payslip, my net tax is -1100. (I assume this is the what I paid on emergency that is due to me. My total pay is like 1300. However I only get approx. 200.

So in summary. I paid tax to the government. Get tax credit. The government now owes money back to me. Since I'm PAYE, this entire exchange takes place via my employer. Am I now not meant to receive this money immediately?

barneystinson

Rob! wrote: »

I don't understand how the whole system works but I'll let you know what I do know:

My employers were moaning that I was emergency tax and saying to sort it.
I did. I repeatedly rang the tax office. Had tax a credit cert issued 3 TIMES which my employer was too stupid to utilise. Eventually the folks in revenue ring my employer and sort it all out which is great.

The following week my pay slip says 'Normal', where it used to say 'emergency'.
I can see that I'm not being taxed anymore. (my credits outweigh me taxable income)

On the end of the payslip, my net tax is -1100. (I assume this is the what I paid on emergency that is due to me. My total pay is like 1300. However I only get approx. 200.

So in summary. I paid tax to the government. Get tax credit. The government now owes money back to me. Since I'm PAYE, this entire exchange takes place via my employer. Am I now not meant to receive this money immediately?

Yeah you are, but if they don't have it then what are they to do?!

(And just for info: They file a monthly, or 3-monthly, return for the tax/PRSI/USC that they deduct from wages - they get the benefit of the 1,100 on that return.)

Rob!

barneystinson wrote: »

Yeah you are, but if they don't have it then what are they to do?!

(And just for info: They file a monthly, or 3-monthly, return for the tax/PRSI/USC that they deduct from wages - they get the benefit of the 1,100 on that return.)

Oh ok. So patience is key I suppose. I just kinda freaked cause it's a small and quietish business. And I was a tad terrified that the place might randomly close one day and that I'd be an unsecured creditor or something to that effect.

It's just that all my previous emergency tax returns have been rather instantaneous.