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Legal VIN/Reg/Shell swapping as a VRT strategy

  • 03-08-2014 12:31pm
    #1
    phatony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭


    Was thinking about the way kit cars etc are built around the VIN of an existing car.

    Wondering how far this could be pushed.

    Take the new MG 6. Never seen one? Well neither has anyone else in Ireland.
    So what if I bought a 2011/2/3 model in UK, rebadged it as a rover, and fitted VIN and plates from my present Rover to tax and nct it? No VRT payment.
    If it works for kit cars, why not this?


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  • #2
    Big Davey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Big Davey


    phatony wrote: »
    Was thinking about the way kit cars etc are built around the VIN of an existing car.

    Wondering how far this could be pushed.

    Take the new MG 6. Never seen one? Well neither has anyone else in Ireland.
    So what if I bought a 2011/2/3 model in UK, rebadged it as a rover, and fitted VIN and plates from my present Rover to tax and nct it? No VRT payment.
    If it works for kit cars, why not this?
    It would be illegal it's not just a matter of swapping a vin number (all cars have more than one that's how police find ringers and return them to their rightful owners) a kit car is generally built on the chassis and running gear of the original vehicle and then modified but keeping the main components of the original vehicle not just a vin plate swap.


  • #3
    phatony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭phatony


    Big Davey wrote: »
    It would be illegal it's not just a matter of swapping a vin number (all cars have more than one that's how police find ringers and return them to their rightful owners) a kit car is generally built on the chassis and running gear of the original vehicle and then modified but keeping the main components of the original vehicle not just a vin plate swap.

    Yeah but say I register an engine swap in the rover to the MG engine number.
    Then swap the VIN/plate on body.
    Whos gonna give me trouble?

    Indeed, why not push it even further and import an american car or something.

    Edit: Vehicles don't really have seperate chassis anymore, the kit car provides an actual new chassis.


  • #4
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    phatony wrote: »
    Yeah but say I register an engine swap in the rover to the MG engine number.
    Then swap the VIN/plate on body.
    Whos gonna give me trouble?

    Indeed, why not push it even further and import an american car or something.

    You have never had dealings with Revenue I would guess.


  • #5
    phatony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭phatony


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    You have never had dealings with Revenue I would guess.

    Well taking the conservative approah of an MG badged as a Rover.

    When is revenue ever going to come into contact with it?


  • #6
    Drummerboy08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    The VIN number or "chassis" number is unique to the chassis of the car. Removing the vin from one chassis and putting it on another is slightly illegal....


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  • #7
    phatony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭phatony


    Drummerboy08 wrote: »
    The VIN number or "chassis" number is unique to the chassis of the car. Removing the vin from one chassis and putting it on another is slightly illegal....

    But is that what you do with kit cars?

    Or do kit cars have there own VIN - surely you don't pay vrt on the kit itself?


  • #8
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    phatony wrote: »
    Well taking the conservative approah of an MG badged as a Rover.

    When is revenue ever going to come into contact with it?

    When you crash it and there is a problem and AGS inform revenue, when it's stolen and retrieved when you are stopped at a random stop by AGS and you are unlucky to have a Garda who goes this does not add up. If you take the risk you take the risk but expect at the least if caught a lot of problems.


  • #9
    Drummerboy08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    phatony wrote: »
    But is that what you do with kit cars?

    Or do kit cars have there own VIN - surely you don't pay vrt on the kit itself?

    No, the chassis you use for the kit car comes with a vin.


  • #10
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    phatony wrote: »
    But is that what you do with kit cars?

    Or do kit cars have there own VIN - surely you don't pay vrt on the kit itself?

    1.2.3.2 Kit Cars Kit Car vehicles which are determined to be unregistered vehicles under the terms of s130A of Finance Act 1992 as amended, will require an Individual Type-Approval from the National Standards Authority of Ireland (NSAI).

    A Kit Car, which is usually EU Category M1, is constructed from an amalgam of parts some of which are supplied unassembled in kit form. In general, the kit will include a variety of body panels and may include a new chassis that must be assembled. The mechanics (e.g. engine, motors, etc.) and trim are usually obtained from another vehicle to enable the process to be completed. In most cases the donor vehicle will be a vehicle already registered in the State, but no allowance is made/granted in this respect when VRT payable on the completed kit car is being calculated. In the case of Kit Trikes, usually EU category “L” (motorcycles), the practice has been to consider the age of the major components for the purpose of deciding the age reduction for the purpose of VRT. However it should be noted that trikes, as with kit cars built using a new chassis, will be assigned a registration mark reflecting the year of entry into use of the completed project. It should also be noted that where a private individual acquires a newly-assembled kit car abroad, the normal VAT rules should be applied, i.e. VAT is payable if the vehicle is less than 6 months old or has traveled less than 6,000 km. Kit cars assembled in the State are not liable for VAT where the sale/purchase invoice indicates that it has been paid at the time of purchase of the kit.

    http://www.revenue.ie/en/about/foi/s16/vehicle-registration-tax/vrt-manual-section-01.pdf?download=true


  • #11
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    It's illegal. Loads of people doing it with Range Rovers, Ford Escorts VW Beetles and loads more.


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  • #12
    phatony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭phatony


    corktina wrote: »
    It's illegal. Loads of people doing it with Range Rovers, Ford Escorts VW Beetles and loads more.

    This bloody country.


  • #13
    Big Davey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Big Davey


    corktina wrote: »
    It's illegal. Loads of people doing it with Range Rovers, Ford Escorts VW Beetles and loads more.
    Ad tractors to that list too !


  • #14
    ba_barabus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭ba_barabus


    phatony wrote: »
    Take the new MG 6. Never seen one? Well neither has anyone else in Ireland.

    There is a red one in Dublin. Revenue are no fools btw and would spot this a mile away.


  • #15
    phatony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭phatony


    ba_barabus wrote: »
    There is a red one in Dublin. Revenue are no fools btw and would spot this a mile away.

    I am actually moving onto a more devious scheme:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057262004


  • #16
    ba_barabus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭ba_barabus


    phatony wrote: »
    I am actually moving onto a more devious scheme:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057262004

    It's not more devious. It doesn't work and someone will report you for doing it. Why not just buy a car you can afford to run?


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