Bath or Shower ?

allthedoyles

With water charges on the way , I have seen many advertisements encouraging people to get rid of the bath and install a shower .

My advice is not to get rid of your bath .

Install a shower by all means , but keep your bath .

LordSutch

Very true, can't beet a good soak & a wee doze in the bath!

that's a small doze, not accompanied by a wee

By the way, feel free to reply to my 'New Thread' about buying a bath, currently there are no replies

mel.b

You need a 'both' option.

The bath in the house i have bought is useless. Too small and too shallow. Plus the immersion tank doesn't hold enough hot water so you've got to judge it perfectly or you are shivering in a half filled bath.

Saying that, the pressure from my shower is crap too. One day when i renovate, i'm going to have a proper big hot water tank, pumped shower with a rainfall head and a big luxiuorous bath. Water cahrges be dammed, relaxing in a bubble bath in the evening with a book and some music is a great way to unwind and it'd still be cheaper than a bottle of wine.

HeidiHeidi

mel.b wrote: »

You need a 'both' option.

The bath in the house i have bought is useless. Too small and too shallow. Plus the immersion tank doesn't hold enough hot water so you've got to judge it perfectly or you are shivering in a half filled bath.

Saying that, the pressure from my shower is crap too. One day when i renovate, i'm going to have a proper big hot water tank, pumped shower with a rainfall head and a big luxiuorous bath. Water cahrges be dammed, relaxing in a bubble bath in the evening with a book and some music is a great way to unwind and it'd still be cheaper than a bottle of wine.

Except for the pump and rainfall shower, this is exactly how I feel and what I did. Put in an enormous tank, and a similarly enormous cast iron bath which I use only occasionally but I would NOT be without it!

I put in an electric shower, and in hindsight I'm really sorry I didn't go for the pump and a power shower - and feck the water charges.

OP, I've replied to your thread separately!

(What happens if you want to relax in the bath AND have a bottle of wine??? :D)

scudo2

Who started this tread ?

+ Why ?

Sir Arthur Daley

Water and water charges is big topic at the moment. I would still keep the bath.

Joey the lips

What's wrong with a bath with a shower. Better still a bath comes very economical when 2 people use it. Be it the same time or one after another.

allthedoyles

scudo2 wrote: »

Who started this tread ?

+ Why ?

It was started by 'allthedoyles' and the reason she started it , is mainly to encourage people not to make a knee-jerk reaction to the bad publicity in the press at the moment regarding the water usage from baths .

There are many tradesmen out there at the moment encouraging people to get rid of the bath and replace with a cost-saving shower unit .

I would agree with above , that both a shower and bath together are best option , but many householders may not have that luxury .

Sleeper12

If you want to save water the best way to go about this is to replace any old style toilets in the house. Its not too expensive to replace a toilet & cistern. An old style cistern flushes 15 to 14 liters per flush. A modern one flushes 3 to 5 liters per flush.
It was announced yesterday that you will pay a half cent per liter. If you change to a modern cistern you will save 58 cent per flush. This is a no brainer. Anyone with a big old cistern should start saving now & change it asap.

Sir Arthur Daley

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Anyone with a big old cistern should start saving now & change it asap.

Does the brick in the cistern work i.e reduce the volume of water or does it kill the flush?

Wearb

Sleeper12 wrote: »

If you want to save water the best way to go about this is to replace any old style toilets in the house. Its not too expensive to replace a toilet & cistern. An old style cistern flushes 15 to 14 liters per flush. A modern one flushes 3 to 5 liters per flush.
It was announced yesterday that you will pay a half cent per liter. If you change to a modern cistern you will save 58 cent per flush. This is a no brainer. Anyone with a big old cistern should start saving now & change it asap.

Can't see how you get a 58c saving per flush on your supplied figures. 15x.5 =7.5

3x.5=1.5. 7.5 minus 1.5 gives 6. not 58

Sleeper12

Wearb wrote: »

Can't see how you get a 58c saving per flush on your supplied figures. 15x.5 =7.5

3x.5=1.5. 7.5 minus 1.5 gives 6. not 58

Sorry typo. I meant 5 cent

allthedoyles

mel.b wrote: »

You need a 'both' option.

The bath in the house i have bought is useless. Too small and too shallow. Plus the immersion tank doesn't hold enough hot water so you've got to judge it perfectly or you are shivering in a half filled bath.

Saying that, the pressure from my shower is crap too. One day when i renovate, i'm going to have a proper big hot water tank, pumped shower with a rainfall head and a big luxiuorous bath. Water cahrges be dammed, relaxing in a bubble bath in the evening with a book and some music is a great way to unwind and it'd still be cheaper than a bottle of wine.

Unable to offer 'both' option on the above poll , maybe a moderator might step in and do the necessary .:)

scudo2

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

Does the brick in the cistern work i.e reduce the volume of water or does it kill the flush?

Depends on how gently the brick is put in !!!



Had to replace a few broken ones after plonkers killed the poor old cistern.

" What a cracking good idea", is all I could say to them.


+1 For shower over bath.

Sleeper12

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

Does the brick in the cistern work i.e reduce the volume of water or does it kill the flush?

A brick in the cistern works great. 1 brick = 1 litre of water.
You won't fit too many bricks in the cistern.

DGOBS

Why not just fill a plastic 1ltr bottle with water and put it in, maybe add some sand for ballast if needed

Sir Arthur Daley

DGOBS wrote: »

Why not just fill a plastic 1ltr bottle with water and put it in, maybe add some sand for ballast if needed

For the toilet or to reduce volume in a bath?

DGOBS

Err....toilet, can't see either the bottles or bricks being used in a bath???????

scudo2

DGOBS wrote: »

Why not just fill a plastic 1ltr bottle with water and put it in, maybe add some sand for ballast if needed

"Archamedias principle"
Water takes up the same volume and weighs as water in a 1 ltr bottle. No need for ballast.

Even in a bath.




20 stone wife in bath uses less water than a 9 stone girlfriend.
Keep the wife.
Have a shower with the girlfriend.


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Amend appropate words for David 75 pz.

DGOBS

"Archamedias principle"
Water takes up the same volume and weighs as water in a 1 ltr bottle. No need for ballast./QUOTE]

And as there would usually be some air trapped in the top of the bottle it would float, so a little ballast would keep it tucked in the corner of the cistern out of the way.

As Archamedias said:

For any immersed object, the volume of the submerged portion equals the volume of fluid it displaces. E.g., by submerging in water half of a sealed 1-liter container, we displace a half-liter volume of fluid, regardless of the container's contents. If we fully submerge the same container, we then displace one liter of liquid, which exactly equals the volume of the 1-liter container.

An empty 1-litre plastic bottle released in the air will fall down due to the gravitational force of the Earth acting on it. If the same bottle is released under water, the same gravitational force acts on it, but it will be pushed upwards towards the surface of the water. The extra force that pushes the bottle upwards comes from the upthrust or Archimedes force.

scudo2

"LEAVE THE CAP OFF"

Or fill 100%

Wearb

Eureka

DGOBS

Lol. Sometimes the most obvious answer is the simplest and the best, good one Scudo

nick 56

Plan for old age, put in a handle / rail to help getting up from bath or standing on one foot in the shower (washing feet shaving legs).

Think of fitting a fold down seat in the shower / Bath (washing feet shaving legs) .

Make sure the bathroom floor is non slip.

A bath with a shower at one end does work well if fitted with glass folding doors.

I as a retired plumber despise the concept of water charges.

DGOBS

What is killing me is the fact I am going to pay for water that costs me €320 a year in softener to protect showers/dishwashers/washing machines etc, as the water that enters my house is not fit for purpose.

Yet a person in lets' say south Dublin has good quality water and doesn't require treatment, yet we both pay the same.

I for one am going to refuse to pay, and send them my water treatment bill.

As a utility, the supply should be fit for purpose, if ESB supplied the wrong current and damaged my electrical appliances, they would be responsible, so why not the water utility?

Sleeper12

DGOBS wrote: »

What is killing me is the fact I am going to pay for water that costs me €320 a year in softener to protect showers/dishwashers/washing machines etc, as the water that enters my house is not fit for purpose.

Yet a person in lets' say south Dublin has good quality water and doesn't require treatment, yet we both pay the same.

I for one am going to refuse to pay, and send them my water treatment bill.

As a utility, the supply should be fit for purpose, if ESB supplied the wrong current and damaged my electrical appliances, they would be responsible, so why not the water utility?

We'd all love not to pay but I think you have a valid point in your case.
I would think that perhaps they give you some sort of discount. Even €100 discount in acknowledgement of the fact that the water quality is bad.

Sleeper12

septictank wrote: »

That's half a cent (.48) per 1000 liters, so 15 liter costs 0.072 cent and 5 liter costs 0.024.

Average house 10 flushes a day for the year 15 liter costs €262.80, 5 liter costs €87.60, only thing is don't know where you got the 15 liter cistern from as most are 9 and the newer ones 6.

Keep the bath.

Most old style cisterns I fitted in the 80s were 14 litres & they were bigger in the 60s & 70s.
New style dual flush are (or should be set & time of fitting) to 5 litre big flush & 3 litre small flush. Old style toilets are not dual flush so will always flush the maximum amount 9 litres, 14 litres, 15 litres etc.

The average family of 4 flush on average 4 times per day. They actually flush more than 4 times per day but the average doesn't include flushing in work or school.

septictank

landlords will have to get on top of the water usage as an absentee Landlord could be hit with a huge bill.
Will Irish water be able to let you know how you are doing on a monthly basis, would help everyone to flag what you are using.
4 Girls in a house taking 1-2 20 minutes each day at the end of the year some bill.
Girls tend to shower longer and more often could be an issue for who to let out to.

Sleeper12

septictank wrote: »

landlords will have to get on top of the water usage as an absentee Landlord could be hit with a huge bill.
Will Irish water be able to let you know how you are doing on a monthly basis, would help everyone to flag what you are using.
4 Girls in a house taking 1-2 20 minutes each day at the end of the year some bill.
Girls tend to shower longer and more often could be an issue for who to let out to.

I'm sure Irish Water could flag you but doubt it if they will. Anyone with a meter can check the meter on a monthly basis themselves.

goz83

I didn't vote, as there is no option for both.

I got the bathroom renovated a couple of years ago. There was only a shower in place. So, installed a decent bath 1800x800, which is designed also for showering. Many baths are not well made for showering in and over time, the showering end can crack without you even noticing and can cause serious problems thereafter. The best baths to shower in (aside from cast iron) are the double ended baths with an indentation at the drain hole end. They are usually stronger at the end. Also a good idea to reinforce with wood and not just rely on the flimsy legs. I had an electric shower installed for instant hot water. The 3.3 bad pump is great for filling the bath and pressuring the rest of the house (save for the mains cold tap. With 4 young kids, a bath is a must. It's been great lately for my sore back too

Cerco

scudo2 wrote: »

"LEAVE THE CAP OFF"

Or fill 100%

Don't think leaving cap off will work. I maybe wrong but I think the bottle would empty on the flush and then refill, defeating the purpose. Anybody try it?

scudo2

Cerco wrote: »

Don't think leaving cap off will work. I maybe wrong but I think the bottle would empty on the flush and then refill, defeating the purpose. Anybody try it?

OFFS Cap reply was for DGOBS post, upright bottle can't empty !!!



ps. No offence by the OFFS part, just humour on your post reply.






God knows I've upset enough people here by mistake.
M

Sir Arthur Daley

[QUOTE=scudo2;91566529upright bottle can't empty !!!

[/QUOTE]

It cant but it wont want to remain in an upright position either.

scudo2

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

It cant but it wont want to remain in an upright position either.

Why not my non plumbing electrical friend ?

Sir Arthur Daley

scudo2 wrote: »

Why not my non plumbing electrical friend ?

From walking along beaches any time i saw a plastic bottle in the sea it was always horizontal, does full make a difference?

Egass13

DGOBS wrote: »

What is killing me is the fact I am going to pay for water that costs me €320 a year in softener to protect showers/dishwashers/washing machines etc, as the water that enters my house is not fit for purpose.

Yet a person in lets' say south Dublin has good quality water and doesn't require treatment, yet we both pay the same.

I for one am going to refuse to pay, and send them my water treatment bill.

As a utility, the supply should be fit for purpose, if ESB supplied the wrong current and damaged my electrical appliances, they would be responsible, so why not the water utility?

Nail on the head . I've been using the same analogy to all my customers in Laois , imagine paying for something that destroys your appliances . That you cant drink. And that drys out your skin when you shower in it . Such poor supply of any other utility would not be tolerated , so why water ?

Cerco

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

It cant but it wont want to remain in an upright position either.

If it were to remain upright then no need to leave cap off. So now we are back to ballast.

scudo2

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

From walking along beaches any time i saw a plastic bottle in the sea it was always horizontal, does full make a difference?

When scuba diving I see all the full bottles that have sunk !

A cousin of Arachamidias once said,
" A boat full of water sinks"
But he didn't have a PRO like his cousin !

Elmo

You can't pee in a bath!