Statins

Sibhsoo

Are they over prescribed?

It seems there are some significant side affects.



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What are they?

wretcheddomain

LexieOnRale wrote: »

What are they?

People from Staten Island.

MagicIRL

I don't know what a tracker mortgage is. I also don't know what statins are.

wretcheddomain

Statins are drugs used to lower "bad cholesterol", thus apparently helping to reduce heart disease etc.

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Meh ain't nobody got time fo dat

everlast75

Sibhsoo wrote: »

Are they over prescribed?

My heart says no...

Barely There

Statin Sheets are very romantic. What happens when you're not in bed?

Son Of A Vidic

I don't want to be statin the obvious, but doesn't this subject matter belong in the Health forum?

BeerWolf

Stat inputs?

wretcheddomain

Sibhsoo wrote: »

Are they over prescribed?

It seems there are some significant side affects.

What major drug doesn't have significant side effects?

Yes, they're probably overprescribed, but so is everything else.

youtube!

I was put on them to lower cholesterol and they zonked me ! I had muscle weakness, cloudy thinking, sleep disturbance, and generally felt like a zombie, came off them after 2 months and within a week I was grand. Not for me!

steddyeddy

Statins inhibit HMG coenzyme reductase and therefore block cholesterol synthesis. I haven't seen a lot of papers about their side effects but I'll educate myself momentarily.

Buzz Killington the third

youtube! wrote: »

I was put on them to lower cholesterol and they zonked me ! I had muscle weakness, cloudy thinking, sleep disturbance, and generally felt like a zombie, came off them after 2 months and within a week I was grand. Not for me!

Did they lower your cholesterol?

Ditch

Justin Hayward. Classic!

darkpagandeath

I love advertising, Eat this spread that has no cholesterol in it, See it's lowering your cholesterol....

Beano

youtube! wrote: »

I was put on them to lower cholesterol and they zonked me ! I had muscle weakness, cloudy thinking, sleep disturbance, and generally felt like a zombie, came off them after 2 months and within a week I was grand. Not for me!

Ask your doctor to try you on a different statin or on a lower dose. Same thing happened to me and i was able to tolerate them after a small change. After a while they upped my dose to what they had me on at the start, except this time without side-affects.

Beano

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I love advertising, Eat this spread that has no cholesterol in it, See it's lowering your cholesterol....

well actually it wont. what it will do is not increase it as much as butter would.

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Well when you use such Highly respected Medical Journals such as "www.marksdailyapple.com" how could I not trust you

Wibbs

Beano wrote: »

well actually it wont. what it will do is not increase it as much as butter would.

Butter won't raise it, nor will eggs. Most cholesterol is made in the liver it doesn't come directly from diet. We've been sold quite the pup on cholesterol IMH(and fats are bad). The causal link between cholesterol is remarkably thin. Especially at the levels above which it's recommended to start taking statins. The level used to be higher but the US surgeon general lowered the levels and the drug companies made serious hay out of it. They're one of the single best selling drugs on the planet.

Cholesterol may be an indicator, a bodily response to deeper processes already in motion so lowering same may not have that much of an effect. An analogy might be a building is on fire and you see a load of firemen attending it, you would not conclude the firemen started it. You can remove the firemen, but the fire remains.

Personally speaking I'm extremely dubious of the link as far as most people go. Plus when you get tested how many got the values for the two types of cholesterol present. You might have a high value of the good kind.

If you don't have a genetically based abnormal level and you want to drop your cholesterol and any underlying factors that may have caused any rise? It seems cutting out any added sugars, increasing leafy vegetable intake, eating more good fats including animal fats. Most of all reducing your overall calorie intake. The two day fast per week is provably more effective than statins at lowering both cholesterol and inflammation markers in the body for good measure. Exercise more. Sit less, even if you're not exercising, go to bed before 11, that sorta thing. Harder than taking a pill mind you.

My 3 cents anyway.

Steppenwolfe

Sibhsoo wrote: »

Are they over prescribed?

It seems there are some significant side affects.



marksdailyapple.com/the-evidence-continues-to-mount-against-statins/#more-51294

Yes. Along with a lot of other drugs.

darkpagandeath

Steppenwolfe wrote: »

Yes. Along with a lot of other drugs.

Yup just like, Doc i got a pain in me back. Take this Course of antibiotics that will sort you out.....

Beano

Wibbs wrote: »

Butter won't raise it, nor will eggs. Most cholesterol is made in the liver it doesn't come directly from diet. .

Not sure i entirely believe that

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/Cholesterol/AboutCholesterol/About-Cholesterol_UCM_001220_Article.jsp

Cholesterol is a waxy substance that comes from two sources: your body and food. Your body, and especially your liver, makes all the cholesterol you need and circulates it through the blood. But cholesterol is also found in foods from animal sources, such as meat, poultry and full-fat dairy products. Your liver produces more cholesterol when you eat a diet high in saturated and trans fats

eisenberg1

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yup just like, Doc i got a pain in me back. Take this Course of antibiotics that will sort you out.....

Same with those suppositories he gave me, for all the good they did me I may as well have shoved them up my arse.

Wibbs

Beano wrote: »

Not sure i entirely believe that

As the link said Your liver produces more cholesterol when you eat a diet high in saturated and trans fats. It doesn't produce more when you eat foods high in cholesterol such as eggs. Eggs are actually quite low in saturated fat. There are enough studies out there that showed people who ate a diet extremely high in eggs didn't show any increase. Saturated fat is another one where there may be grey areas. While no way would I be a fan of something as extreme as the Atkins diet cholesterol on such a diet only increased slightly. If saturated fat was so awful you'd have expected to see a massive increase.

On the other hand I dismiss those who suggest examples like Eskimos on a massively high saturated fat diet fare well. Yea they do, however over the last 10,000 years they have evolved massive livers to do so. Populations vary and sometimes vary quite a bit. A slice of organic wholemeal bread with some organic butter and a glass of milk may go down a treat for someone from Cork, but the the same eaten by someone from Calcutta would give the a dose of the explosive trots. A glass or two of red wine shows positive health benefits across the board for Europeans but it's a poison for many populations, particularly Asian populations. It's one reason I avoid soya and soya products like the plague. Fine, even good for Asian folks who have been consuming it for at least 2000 years, but to a western European like me it's a novel protein only around in the food chain for a generation.

No one diet can fit all and I would - again personally - contend that this may go in a smaller way even down to individuals. All of us have a different biosignature of gut bacteria that call us home. It's built up over a lifetime. I've never had an antibiotic, so my bugs are gonna be different to a person whose had a few courses of them. I would contend that depending on that fauna in your gut your dietary needs may need fettling. I wouldn't be surprised to find that in years to come an individuals biosignature will be tested and diet changed to accommodate that, or in some cases new bacteria added. Take the H. pylori bacteria that is the major cause of stomach ulcers. Great discovery(that took years to be believed). However many African populations have the pylori bacteria in their guts with no ulcers. It doesn't affect them. For some reason something stops it causing ulcers(probably other bacteria).

eisenberg1

Jaysus Wibbs, thanks for that.

My cholesterol is on the up, but am not on medication at present as GP is hoping I can get down by weight loss/good diet. Easier said than done. I have cut out most dairy, and have been using soya milk in shakes/smoothies ....have I been wasting my time?

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller

I think the good science now points at Heart disease being a disease of inflammation and so without doubt, focusing on the consumption of fat was at worst, laughable and at best, bad science. I'd go with laughable myself. The notion that eating fat somehow led to that same fat lining and hardening on the walls of the arteries was always pretty far fetched, even back in the 80s.

Course, just what inflames and 'nicks' that artery walls is hotly debated also. Some scientists / researchers blame everything from High GI foods to high Cortisol and the homocysteine hypothesis hasn't gone away either .

Personally, after all I have read over the past twenty some off years, I pretty much think the less processed foods we eat (including processed oils, especially when heated to high temperatures) and the more fresh foods, as much of it raw as you can manage.. the better.

holystungun9

Wibbs wrote: »

Butter won't raise it, nor will eggs. Most cholesterol is made in the liver it doesn't come directly from diet.

Ha! My liver is fked from alcohol. In your face cholesterol!

darkpagandeath

holystungun9 wrote: »

Ha! My liver is fked from alcohol. In your face cholesterol!

I just have an image now of you Fist pumping in the air. :pac:

holystungun9

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I just have an image now of you Fist pumping in the air. :pac:

I could so chest-bump you right now!