Debts stay with property?

Roubled

My father died in April this year. Last week a bill for €25 arrived for a bin from 2011. I rang the company and told them he was dead. They want a death cert which I think costs about €40. The bin charge is €25. I told them his death was registered on rip.ie. They said that won't do, they want the actual death cert or the debt stays with the property. This does not sound right to me.

Little CuChulainn

Send them a certified copy of the cert. The debt stays with your fathers estate more so than the property.

Roubled

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Send them a certified copy of the cert. The debt stays with your fathers estate more so than the property.

I'm not inclined to go paying the €40 for the cert when they can just look it up. I think the debt collection are guilty of misleading people in order to intimidate them into paying. They seem to be implying the debt is automatically attached to the property.

Little CuChulainn

Roubled wrote: »

I'm not inclined to go paying the €40 for the cert when they can just look it up.

Do you not have a death cert already?

muggles

From my experience it is fairly standard experience in such circumstances and you will be required to produce a copy cert for many things so obtaining one is useful. Recommending they check rip.ie will not cut the mustard I'm afraid.

Where did you get the €40 charge from? I don't recall paying that much for one. As per the citizens information page the fees charged for a certificate are:
•€20 for a full standard certificate
•€1 for a copy for social welfare purposes, including registration for a Public Services Card (letter from Department of Social Protection required)
•€4 for an uncertified copy of an entry in the Register
•€10 to have a certificate authenticated (only available from the General Register Office)
•€10 for a certified copy of an entry in the Adopted Children Register (can be used for legal and administrative purposes)

muggles

From my experience it is fairly standard practice in such circumstances and you will be required to produce a copy cert for many things so obtaining one is useful. Recommending they check rip.ie will not cut the mustard I'm afraid.

Where did you get the €40 charge from? I don't recall paying that much for one. As per the citizens information page the fees charged for a certificate are:
•€20 for a full standard certificate
•€1 for a copy for social welfare purposes, including registration for a Public Services Card (letter from Department of Social Protection required)
•€4 for an uncertified copy of an entry in the Register
•€10 to have a certificate authenticated (only available from the General Register Office)
•€10 for a certified copy of an entry in the Adopted Children Register (can be used for legal and administrative purposes)

Roubled

muggles wrote: »

From my experience it is fairly standard practice in such circumstances and you will be required to produce a copy cert for many things so obtaining one is useful. Recommending they check rip.ie will not cut the mustard I'm afraid.

Where did you get the €40 charge from? I don't recall paying that much for one. As per the citizens information page the fees charged for a certificate are:
•€20 for a full standard certificate
•€1 for a copy for social welfare purposes, including registration for a Public Services Card (letter from Department of Social Protection required)
•€4 for an uncertified copy of an entry in the Register
•€10 to have a certificate authenticated (only available from the General Register Office)
•€10 for a certified copy of an entry in the Adopted Children Register (can be used for legal and administrative purposes)

I think it was from bdm's .ie

Roubled

muggles wrote: »

From my experience it is fairly standard experience in such circumstances and you will be required to produce a copy cert for many things so obtaining one is useful. Recommending they check rip.ie will not cut the mustard I'm afraid.

Where did you get the €40 charge from? I don't recall paying that much for one. As per the citizens information page the fees charged for a certificate are:
•€20 for a full standard certificate
•€1 for a copy for social welfare purposes, including registration for a Public Services Card (letter from Department of Social Protection required)
•€4 for an uncertified copy of an entry in the Register
•€10 to have a certificate authenticated (only available from the General Register Office)
•€10 for a certified copy of an entry in the Adopted Children Register (can be used for legal and administrative purposes)

I'm partly motivated by the fact I'm not even sure there ever was a bin supplied. If there was it was because the previous one was stolen which is an never ending problem in the area. No amount of complaints to DCC has seen them make any effort to tackle the situation. I think DCC can just sing for it. What mainly concerns me is the information they are putting out in trying to intimidate people into paying.

Fred Swanson

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Roubled, just a suggestion but I'd recommend you get at least one copy of the death cert. You'll inevitably get another request from another company in the future. Possibly ESB or Bord Gais etc. etc.

I'd only send them a photo copy of the original.

Roubled

Novalee Wooden Arm wrote: »

Roubled, just a suggestion but I'd recommend you get at least one copy of the death cert. You'll inevitably get another request from another company in the future. Possibly ESB or Bord Gais etc. etc.

I'd only send them a photo copy of the original.

They were demanding an original. I'll give them the number for Glasnevin..

Roubled

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I think the BDM one is reselling the HSE certs.

Fred Swanson

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jimd2

Can whoever that was left the property just go and pay the debt. It doesnt seem to be disputed that the money was owed,

Hannibal Smith

Roubled wrote: »

I think the BDM one is reselling the HSE certs.

BDM charges are higher than if you get it yourself. The debt will stay with the property. If you sell it the purchaser will look for confirmation that there are no outstanding refuse charges.

Either way, if you sell you'll need a copy of the death certificate and to cancel all utilities you'll also need one and to collect any money from banks/post offices you'llneed one too. So you'll need one anyhow.

Send a certified copy, not the original though.

alllowercase

I'd wipe me arse with the bill and send it back to them!!! The might get the hint..... The f**king cheek of them

jimd2

alllowercase wrote: »

I'd wipe me arse with the bill and send it back to them!!! The might get the hint..... The f**king cheek of them

Eh Hello???

A debt is a debt. I am sure if you had a business and you were owed money your attitude would be different.

alllowercase

The debt is in the name of a deceased person!!!! What are you going to do????

jimd2 wrote: »

Eh Hello???

A debt is a debt. I am sure if you had a business and you were owed money your attitude would be different.

Beano

alllowercase wrote: »

The debt is in the name of a deceased person!!!! What are you going to do????

debts dont die with the person

alllowercase

Beano wrote: »

debts dont die with the person

and what??? what if he has no estate?? what are they going to do, go out and dig him up to try get the money off him!!! I'll tell ya one thing it wouldn't be me putting up with that crap!!!

Fred Swanson

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Roubled

jimd2 wrote: »

Eh Hello???

A debt is a debt.

I wouldn't agree. At least not in the Republic of Botched. We were already paying for a refuse collection service before it was hived off the a company registered in the Isle of Man. This was done with the stroke of a pen. The people employed to collect refuse by DCC are still being paid for since they didn't lose their jobs. That means we plebs are paying twice. DCC know full well bins are being robbed all the time and they charge for the replacements. It's like a partnership between robbers. The taxpayer in this country is always caught in a vice while the real thieves get away with it.

hullaballoo

alllowercase wrote: »

I'd wipe me arse with the bill and send it back to them!!! The might get the hint..... The f**king cheek of them

allowercase, please read the forum charter. This kind of reply is unhelpful and unnecessary.

jimd2

Roubled wrote: »

I wouldn't agree. At least not in the Republic of Botched. We were already paying for a refuse collection service before it was hived off the a company registered in the Isle of Man. This was done with the stroke of a pen. The people employed to collect refuse by DCC are still being paid for since they didn't lose their jobs. That means we plebs are paying twice. DCC know full well bins are being robbed all the time and they charge for the replacements. It's like a partnership between robbers. The taxpayer in this country is always caught in a vice while the real thieves get away with it.

sorry but thats bull$hit. You live in this country and should abide by its laws. If there was an estate and money etc forthcoming then there is at least a moral obligation to pay instead of looking for whatever avenue to get out of it.

Roubled

jimd2 wrote: »

sorry but thats bull$hit. You live in this country and should abide by its laws. If there was an estate and money etc forthcoming then there is at least a moral obligation to pay instead of looking for whatever avenue to get out of it.

"A moralist is a rigorist with a talent for justifying anything"
Peter De Rosa, Vicars of Christ

People have a moral obligation to be ripped off? Get a grip!

The only obligation in this country is to do everything possible to overcome the incompetence and corruption that lead to things like bin charges for people who were already paying. The person is already dead so their obligations should die with them.

muggles

Roubled wrote: »

The person is already dead so their obligations should die with them.

By that logic, do you think their assets should also die with them?

Beano

Roubled wrote: »

The person is already dead so their obligations should die with them.

Incorrect. Their debts are incorporated into their estate.