Acme crow call

dodderangler

Anyone have any success with using these. Bought one last week an I've watched the videos on how to use them but to no success. Managed to call in a fox with it somehow but now crows?
Must be doing it wrong. Only managing to shoot crows as they fly over my head whilst I'm walking.
Would putting a decoy or two out and a dead rabbit beside them work? Or is that illegal

Vegeta

OP read section 35 of the Wildlife Act 1976, but especially the amendments made in 2000

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055315625

Calls and decoys are extremely restricted in terms of what species they can be used for.

deeksofdoom

I've used the acme crow call with just 1 crow decoy to great affect. Have been able to call the crows in like dogs and shoot them. Especially in silage fields or under flight lines.

They're not illegal.

Vegeta

deeksofdoom wrote: »

They're not illegal.

Here's the legislation.

(d) use an electrical or other instrument or appliance (including recording apparatus) emitting sound, for the purpose of hunting any wild bird or any wild animal.”l

Subsection 2 lists the exceptions for duck and geese etc and uses the same terminology, even the word "instrument"

We should be pushing for the derogations to allow the use of callers on the species listed.

shotie

as long as you can blow into it i think you fine

Vegeta

shotie wrote: »

as long as you can blow into it i think you fine

Only for a very limited number of species, of which crow is not one.

djflawless

AFAIK they can be OK for "photography" use

dodderangler

Vegeta wrote: »

Only for a very limited number of species, of which crow is not one.

Does it not count if shooting them under derogation

Eddie B

Vegeta wrote: »

OP read section 35 of the Wildlife Act 1976, but especially the amendments made in 2000

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055315625

Calls and decoys are extremely restricted in terms of what species they can be used for.

This is a complete joke! My reading of this ammendment is that electronic devices are not allowed, full stop!
The wording is very unclear, to me anyway!

The NARGC need to clarify this amendment, the same way they clarified shooting crows with rifles under derogation!

Vegeta

dodderangler wrote: »

Does it not count if shooting them under derogation

The derogation does not give specific permission to use callers for the various crow species, so it remains at the default condition which is what I outlined above:

shall not use any instrument emitting sound for the purpose of hunting any wild bird or any wild animal.

We can all see how inclusive that is, so anyone telling you that it's ok to use orally operated callers for crows is either confused (oral callers are ok for duck, geese etc) or wilfully ignoring very broadly phrased legislation.

I'm just pointing out the legislation as it is written so everyone knows the score, no more, no less.

And as Eddie B points out, the derogations are signed regularly so a draft allowing the use of callers (electronic and orally operated) is something which may be possible.

Vegeta

djflawless wrote: »

AFAIK they can be OK for "photography" use

Yea they are, the definition of hunting does not include photography. Still trying to say you were photographing crows with a 12 gauge, from a hide, surrounded by dead crows blowing away on a caller.......

garv123

Both crow callers and decoys are a no go but everyone seems to use and sell them.

Amending it from protected to wild was a stupid thing to do.

MyNameIsMethos

Quick meta question: are ye farmers shooting crows for worrying chickens, hunting crows for food or just shooting them for the craic?

djflawless

Vegeta wrote: »

Yea they are, the definition of hunting does not include photography. Still trying to say you were photographing crows with a 12 gauge, from a hide, surrounded by dead crows blowing away on a caller.......

IPhone camera
Oh BTW I don't own an iPhone it was 1St thing that came to mind

dodderangler

MyNameIsMethos wrote: »

Quick meta question: are ye farmers shooting crows for worrying chickens, hunting crows for food or just shooting them for the craic?

Roast crow man

ronn

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