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€1,400 fee for installing Fire Alarm System

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  • 20-07-2014 8:47pm
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    Sennie
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭


    My Property Management Company sent out a letter earlier this year proposing a 'one off annual levy' on €1400 to install a fire alarm system in the whole of the apartment complex. They said in the letter that Church & General would not give them block insurance without this. Has anyone ever come across this type of scenario? I have asked friends in work with apartments and none have ever heard anything like this.


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    #2
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,689 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Does your block not already have a fire alarm????


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    Doop
    Registered Users Posts: 1,465 ✭✭✭Doop


    Is there no existing alarm system? Is it possible this is just to update the system?
    Doesnt sound unusal really, spose there could be an argument for suggesting the required amount comes from the sinking fund, but either way your paying for it.


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    Sennie
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭Sennie


    No it didn't.


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    athtrasna
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    Is it an old development? It's really unusual that a block would have been able to get insurance or get passed for habitation without having a fire alarm system.


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    Marcusm
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    This is why there should be a sinking fund and also a managing agent with the ability to plan in advance.


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    Sennie
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭Sennie


    It was built in 1995. But it must have been getting block insurance without a fire alarm system before now.


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    Villa05
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    Is the cost of the fire alarm 1400 for the whole building or just your required contribution as the owner of 1 apt in the building. How many apts r in the building?


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    Villa05
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    Is the cost of the fire alarm 1400 for the whole building or just your required contribution as the owner of 1 apt in the building. How many apts r in the building?


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    L1011
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    I would query them referencing Church & General as they've been gone for maybe a decade or more at this stage.


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    markpb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,250 ✭✭✭markpb


    Sennie wrote: »
    It was built in 1995. But it must have been getting block insurance without a fire alarm system before now.

    Different insurers will have different requirements, it may be that your old insurer has left the market, refused to quote you or offered a quote that was much higher than the one your OMC is proposing to go with.

    Regardless of insurance, if you can afford it (that is, if the OMC can collect all the cash), installing a fire detection system is definitely a good idea.


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    Paulw
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    It may be the case that individual units had their own smoke detectors, but there was no connected fire alarm system for the whole complex.

    In that case, it wouldn't be too unusual for it to become a requirement for block insurance. Many insurers have left the Irish market and those left seem to have stricter and stricter requirements.

    It may seem expensive, but it doesn't sound wrong.


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    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,621 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Church and General don't exist anymore. It's part of Allianz.


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    Mrs OBumble
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    But surely if it's a block, there's a fire safety requirement for an alarm system in order for the block to be occupied - no matter what the insurance status.


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    Paulw
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    But surely if it's a block, there's a fire safety requirement for an alarm system in order for the block to be occupied - no matter what the insurance status.

    It would depend on the building regulations when it was built. It may also be the case that the builder never put one in, and the builder is now gone.


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