NCT changes and odometer readings

Xpro

From 28th of July 14' NCT test centers will start to print mileage records on the NCT discs,with last nct mileage being visible on the disc.

"Odometer Readings captured after July 28th, 2014 will be printed on the NCT Certificate. Up to a maximum of 3 previous readings can be printed on the Certificate.

This is being introduced as an aid to consumer protection."


Good news, hopefully this will stop fraudsters clocking cars and testing them with low mileage!

antodeco

Once they get it right! When one of mine went through the NCT they decided to include the 1/9 mile clock as a full digit. So rather than being 4500.3 they put down 45003

Greenmachine

They should start to keep and full record and print it all on the cert itself. Check your cert before leaving to prevent the kind of error mentioned by antodeco.

Thoie

I agree with printing them on the Certificate, but why do they need to be on the disc? I don't know why, but I'd be kind of uncomfortable with neighbours, for example, being able to work out my mileage for the last few years. And, as Antodeco points out, if they make a typo will they replace the disc and cert for you free of charge?

dougie-lampkin

What's to stop someone clocking the car before the NCT, then "losing" the cert with previous mileages on it?

Couple this with most people's blind faith in the NCT and this situation will make clocked cars seem genuine, "sure look, it even says on the disc that the mileage is correct".

Thoie wrote: »

I agree with printing them on the Certificate, but why do they need to be on the disc? I don't know why, but I'd be kind of uncomfortable with neighbours, for example, being able to work out my mileage for the last few years.

The next time mine goes through an NCT, there will be a thin strip of black tape placed on the inside of the windscreen, which conveniently covers the mileage. I don't see why this needs to be public information.

djimi

dougie-lampkin wrote: »

What's to stop someone clocking the car before the NCT, then "losing" the cert with previous mileages on it?

Couple this with most people's blind faith in the NCT and this situation will make clocked cars seem genuine, "sure look, it even says on the disc that the mileage is correct".

This system will make sense if I can contact NCT and request their mileage records for a particular car (something that I cannot do at the moment due to data protection laws). Obviously if someone clocks the car before its first NCT then there isnt much that you can do, but Id say that most clocking is done after 4 years rather than before it.

R.O.R

djimi wrote: »

This system will make sense if I can contact NCT and request their mileage records for a particular car (something that I cannot do at the moment due to data protection laws). Obviously if someone clocks the car before its first NCT then there isnt much that you can do, but Id say that most clocking is done after 4 years rather than before it.

It also won't stop clocking of cars over 4 years old, just means they can only clock them back so far.

i.e. Car NCT'd at 4 years with 60,000km on the clock. Sold to someone doing 60,000km a year. Clocked back to 70,000km when it goes for it's 6 year NCT, even though reading should be 180,000km.

I've seen cars for sale that have been clocked back close to either the NCT or last main dealer service reading, despite having quite a few KM's more on them in reality.

dougie-lampkin

djimi wrote: »

This system will make sense if I can contact NCT and request their mileage records for a particular car (something that I cannot do at the moment due to data protection laws). Obviously if someone clocks the car before its first NCT then there isnt much that you can do, but Id say that most clocking is done after 4 years rather than before it.

I can't see that changing. They won't release any information on previous tests under "data protection laws", I don't see why this would be different. So if an 8-year old car is clocked from 200k down to 80k, tested and the cert disposed of, there is still no way for a potential buyer to check if the mileage is genuine. If anything, the mileage appearing on the disk is going to make it appear to be genuine.

An incredibly simple system would be to have a section on the NCT website where you can enter a reg, and be given a list of previous mileages and dates tested. No other information needed, and no data protection rights infringed. It would eliminate clocking overnight for cars over 4 years old.

Xpro

It looks like NCT are following the DOE system. On the new DOE discs mileage records are also visible.

Im sure if someone wants to cover up the mileage that will be no problem, your car, do what you want.
Its more for new car buyers and car history.

Also, pretty soon I believe the NCT mileage data will be integrated into Irish car history checks too.

rex-x

antodeco wrote: »

Once they get it right! When one of mine went through the NCT they decided to include the 1/9 mile clock as a full digit. So rather than being 4500.3 they put down 45003

Yes Mine went it today and the reading put on the sheet was 70,000 Km lower than the actual :pac:

dodzy

antodeco wrote: »

Once they get it right! When one of mine went through the NCT they decided to include the 1/9 mile clock as a full digit. So rather than being 4500.3 they put down 45003

An NCT on a yoke with less than 5K :eek: Import I guess ? What year if you don't mind me asking, AD ?

Gumbo

Why don't they make it standard that they enter the mileage onto the national mileage database too.

randy hickey

kceire wrote: »

Why don't they make it standard that they enter the mileage onto the national mileage database too.

I don't think that there is a specific national mileage database as such.

The Irish National Mileage Register is, to quote from their own website,
"a private initiative developed for, and maintained by, indigenous members of the Irish Motor Industry."

So the INMR has no official status, and is therefore pretty worthless.

CiniO

Odometer reading on NCT disc is one thing.
However bigger and IMO very badly needed change is introduction of "voluntary early test".

New regulations come into force from 28th July 2014.

From then, it looks like anyone will be able to proceed with voluntary early test at any time.

Example 1.
Your car was first registered on 10th September 2009.
Your first NCT was due 10th September 2013, and it passed - so you received cert valid until 12th September 2015.

However if you book your test for 1st August 2014, and pass it, then you will get a 2 year test from then, and your cert will be now valid until 1st August 2016. Next one until 1st August 2018, and so on, assuming you won't do voluntary early test again at some stage and change your due date again.

Obviously for cars 10 year old, voluntary early test will be valid only for a year.

IMHO that was really badly needed and there was no reason for it not to be available.
Now it will be available and it's a really big step in making the system better.

Here's exact details:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/pdf/2014/en.si.2014.0322.pdf

Chimaera

CiniO wrote: »

Odometer reading on NCT disc is one thing.
However bigger and IMO very badly needed change is introduction of "voluntary early test".

New regulations come into force from 28th July 2014.

From then, it looks like anyone will be able to proceed with voluntary early test at any time.

Example 1.
Your car was first registered on 10th September 2009.
Your first NCT was due 10th September 2013, and it passed - so you received cert valid until 12th September 2015.

However if you book your test for 1st August 2014, and pass it, then you will get a 2 year test from then, and your cert will be now valid until 1st August 2016. Next one until 1st August 2018, and so on, assuming you won't do voluntary early test again at some stage and change your due date again.

Obviously for cars 10 year old, voluntary early test will be valid only for a year.

IMHO that was really badly needed and there was no reason for it not to be available.
Now it will be available and it's a really big step in making the system better.

Here's exact details:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/pdf/2014/en.si.2014.0322.pdf

The old system incentivises getting your car tested on time. Allowing people to test when they like is going to make a joke of what has become a pretty good system.

CiniO

Chimaera wrote: »

The old system incentivises getting your car tested on time. Allowing people to test when they like is going to make a joke of what has become a pretty good system.

Well I don't think you understood the idea of voluntary early test.
If your NCT is is due on 15 August 2014, and you don't do it on time, instead you do it on 9th October 2014, then you are still going to get your test valid until 15th August 2016 (or 2015 in case of car 10 years old or older).

So incentive you are talking about is still there.
They just added possibility to do test at any random time and have it valid for a year or two from that date, which might be crucial for people intending to take their car abroad for longer.

djimi

So basically they have just removed the 3 month limit prior to the due date? I presume the cert is still valid until the next anniversary of the car (be it 1 or 2 years away)?

wonski

Thoie wrote: »

I agree with printing them on the Certificate, but why do they need to be on the disc? I don't know why, but I'd be kind of uncomfortable with neighbours, for example, being able to work out my mileage for the last few years.

Why would your neighbours, or anyone else really, be even interested in it

I am all for a privacy when it comes to personal data, but mileage of a car is not a personal or sensitive data at all. In some older cars you can check the mileage through the window. Same with most motorcycles.

Thoie

wonski wrote: »

Why would your neighbours, or anyone else really, be even interested in it

I dunno, maybe the aliens are paying them to gather the information to give to the US government or something.

CiniO

djimi wrote: »

So basically they have just removed the 3 month limit prior to the due date? I presume the cert is still valid until the next anniversary of the car (be it 1 or 2 years away)?

Not exactly.

If you do your test within 90 days before due date, then indeed cert will be valid until next due date.

But if you test your car more than 90days before due date, then it will be valie for exactly a year (or two) from this date. F.e test due in October 2014.
You do voluntary early test in May 2014, so your next due date is May 2015 (or 2016 if car is less than 10 years old).

What I started wonder however now, is what happens if you don't test your car in time, and then go for after few months.
F.e. your due date was in May 2014, and then test expired (car over 10 years old).
You don't test it then, but go for a test in October 2014.
Will you get cert valid until May 2015, or October 2015?

I initially though May 2015, but now after looking again at new law, I'm not sure now.

Also looks like ability to do first test 180days (6 month) in advance with keeping due dates as normal was removed.
So far you could have done your test when car was 3.5 year old, and it would be valid until car is 6 years.

Not it looks like, if you do your test when car is 3.5 years old, you will get a cert valid until car is 5.5 years old.

djimi

CiniO wrote: »

But if you test your car more than 90days before due date, then it will be valie for exactly a year (or two) from this date. F.e test due in October 2014.
You do voluntary early test in May 2014, so your next due date is May 2015 (or 2016 if car is less than 10 years old).

Thats handy for me actually; my NCT is due at the start of January, so even if I schedule to do it few weeks early its still a massive pain in the arse moneywise coming up to Christmas. Would be a lot easier to have it during the summer for me anyway.

CiniO wrote: »

What I started wonder however now, is what happens if you don't test your car in time, and then go for after few months.
F.e. your due date was in May 2014, and then test expired (car over 10 years old).
You don't test it then, but go for a test in October 2014.
Will you get cert valid until May 2015, or October 2015?

I initially though May 2015, but now after looking again at new law, I'm not sure now.

One of the main reasons why you only got the 12 months up to the next due date was to stop people taking the piss and leaving it expire for 6 months before getting a new 12/24 month test. If they change that system so that late applicants also get 12/24 months from the time of the test then it creates a massive loophole that people will exploit; basically there is no reason at all to test the car on time now rather than just leave a cert run for 18/30 months before testing it in the knowledge that you will still get a full cert (bar the tiny threat of being seen without a valid NCT, which is a small risk either way even if you are caught).