Parochial localism and the Irish to keep us a laughing stock

Kermit.de.frog

If it were possible after the Croke Park fiasco - it can get worse

The "gombeen" in the Irish strikes again:

1916 leaders' relatives consider legal action on Moore Street

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/1916-leaders-relatives-consider-legal-action-on-moore-street-636505.html

I would urge people to have a good look at that picture and think - would you go out of your way to visit or do your shopping there? Does it look like a suitable memorial to our glorious 1916 rebels? Does it look like an appropriate backdrop for the 100th anniversary of any event of national significance never mind the 1916 rising?

The locals want it retained just like it is but no amount of regeneration of what is already there is going to change the area for the better and just like their brethren busy bodies near Croke Park, who have taken to forgery, in their never ending quest to keep our capital city down and out they have also decided to make use of our joke court system.

This is just off our junkie infested national thoroughfare incidentally that our heroic law and order protectors lost control of.

This country is as much a joke because of the people in it as well as those that run it. I'm absolutely convinced at that.

Lovely backdrop all round for a national commemoration eh? We deserve it in a way.

I read this morning our leaders want to create Canary Wharf or the Singapore marina in Dublin docklands. They clearly didn't realise that in the face of more local opposition Dublin City Council have already decided that 6 storey shoe boxes can only be built in the area. We don't want what smaller capitals have because this is Dublin, capital of little paddyland. Good luck with that one.

No joined up thinking, village mentality, local gombeenism - that's Ireland. No wonder young people just want to leave. It's despairing.:(

I remember people use to say Ireland was too small for so many people and that's why they leave. No, that's not it. They leave because the country is not governed properly and hasn't been for 90 years.

SEPT 23 1989

Get carpenters in and replace all the shop fronts but keep them to a turn of the century design

New security shutters in black

All signage to conform to strict guidelines

Powerwash the red brick to within an inch of its life

this would not cost that much (in the scheme of things) to do and would improve the look of the street while preserving its history

Kermit.de.frog

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Get carpenters in and replace all the shop fronts but keep them to a turn of the century design

New security shutters in black

All signage to conform to strict guidelines

Powerwash the red brick to within an inch of its life

this would not cost that much (in the scheme of things) to do and would improve the look of the street while preserving its history

Oh come on. The place is a kip. It was a kip in 1916 and it's a kip today. Preserving it means keeping it the way it is.

There is already a plan to preserve 4 shop fronts as part of a huge overhaul of the whole site that could transform the area.

A radical overhaul does not = losing everything which is what the relatives are inferring.

greenflash

Let's face it, the place would be in much better nick if the Brits hadn't left us to run the place ourselves. They won.

solomafioso

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Does it look like a suitable memorial to our glorious 1916 rebels?

"glorious"?

:rolleyes:

By all means have a memorial to tell the tale. But people need to stop living in the past and putting an agenda behind sh!t like this. It's a flag / statue / crest / etc.

SEPT 23 1989

And here we have the Charity Hair Studio were the brave men of 1916 had their hair extensions done before they went into battle against the might of the British Empire

Kermit.de.frog

I wonder how many methadone clinics surround this "national monument". Dublin City Council must think very highly of it.

Zamboni

I'm a relative of someone who fought in 1916 and I say level it.
The heritage benefits do not outweigh the benefits of progress in that part of town imo,

Kermit.de.frog

solomafioso wrote: »

"glorious"?

:rolleyes:

By all means have a memorial to tell the tale. But people need to stop living in the past and putting an agenda behind sh!t like this.

Did you not note the sarcasm in my text?

Robbo

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

And here we have the Charity Hair Studio were the brave men of 1916 had their hair extensions done before they went into battle against the might of the British Empire

...and the brave volunteers of the IRA donned their blue jackets to the battle cry: "Lyca Mobile? Lyca SIM?".

Buzz Killington the third

They're fixing the road!!!

6541

I am with the OP, this country is infested with idiots !

K4t

Relatives just as self entitled and deluded as ancestors shocker..

old hippy

In need of a serious makeover, at the very least. Or bulldoze it and turn it into a memorial park.

Zamboni

Can anyone actually establish what Jim Connolly Heron wants?
Or is he just in opposition to anything full stop?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/new-centre-to-remember-1916-rising-could-face-legal-battle-30359488.html

Bio Mech

Zamboni wrote: »

Can anyone actually establish what Jim Connolly Heron wants?
Or is he just in opposition to anything full stop?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/new-centre-to-remember-1916-rising-could-face-legal-battle-30359488.html

He wants Connolly Station to be renamed Connolly Heron station. He also wants the graceful Heron (bird) to be renamed the Connolly Heron. Aside from that he is against time moving on.

mickydoomsux

greenflash wrote: »

Let's face it, the place would be in much better nick if the Brits hadn't left us to run the place ourselves. They won.

When i see stuff like our recent economic meltdown caused entirely by greed on all sides, our ****e justice system that treats the offender as a victim and dead children being chucked in septic tanks by the most disgusting organisation to ever grace this nation (that is still somehow operating freely in this country) it does make me think that there is a little bit of truth in your statement

Kermit.de.frog

The country doesn't have to be run like a second rate banana republic. There are choices. What annoys me is that it's Irish people colluding in the dumb paddy routine of objecting to absolutely everything, anywhere all of the time. The planners and courts are always taking their side and thus nothing gets done or whatever does get done is unremarkable. Hence everything is so average and second rate in this country. It's small mindedness.

It's costing us jobs and our standard of living. It also means we end up the butt of jokes because such a system enables things like the Garth Brooks joke fest to occur for example.

Zamboni

mickydoomsux wrote: »

When i see stuff like our recent economic meltdown caused entirely by greed on all sides, our ****e justice system that treats the offender as a victim and dead children being chucked in septic tanks by the most disgusting organisation to ever grace this nation (that is still somehow operating freely in this country) it does make me think that there is a little bit of truth in your statement

A representative democracy relies on the average intelligence level in the vote making portion of the potential electorate that bother to vote.
It was never going to end well here...

josip

I'm with the idiots, this forum is infested with OPs

Robbo

Zamboni wrote: »

Can anyone actually establish what Jim Connolly Heron wants?
Or is he just in opposition to anything full stop?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/new-centre-to-remember-1916-rising-could-face-legal-battle-30359488.html

Ideally, a bronze statute of himself writing a scathing press release.

Also, isn't the best way to honour the 1916 leaders to ignore his wishes given that he shares the following traits with, say, a British monarch:

• Only notable by accident of birth
• Wedded to an atavistic worldview
• No democratic mandate
• Self annointed grandiose title

On a serious note, I gather the current proposal for Moore Street has managed to please *most* people. Let's just ****ing get on with it.

StudentDad

What people fail to point out is that the 1916 'rising' wasn't wanted by the vast majority in Ireland at the time. It was the govts overreaction to it that changed public opinion. Given the way the country has been run since, the civil wars, the butchery, the sectarianism, the strangle hold the RC church has had on society. All of that why in blazes do we need to commemorate the actions of lunatics who kicked it all off. Nevermind restoring a building that has been ignored for the past 100 years.

SD

Nodin

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Oh come on. The place is a kip. It was a kip in 1916 and it's a kip today. Preserving it means keeping it the way it is.

There is already a plan to preserve 4 shop fronts as part of a huge overhaul of the whole site that could transform the area.

A radical overhaul does not = losing everything which is what the relatives are inferring.

And this is why other countries have preserved their heritage despite war and other disasters, and we haven't.

jimgoose

I think some sort of commemorative redevelopment is a great idea, ideally a giant, horrifically expensive boondoggle that bitterly divides the nation and runs ten times over budget. I suggest a solid-gold seated figure in the manner of Daniel Chester French's Abraham Lincoln, only instead of Honest Abe we should have a seated colossus of John Charles McQuaid strangling a child with one hand while patting a kneeling DeValera on the head with the other. Agus Seo libh canaig amhrán na bhfiann.

Paramite Pie

Are there any images/concept art showing what the refurbished street might look like?

I have no objection to new buildings being built but it'd be nice if the style of the new contructions pay some sort of architectural homage to Dublin's Georgian and Victorian style - while still being modern.:)

Davarus Walrus

I think the lively and ramshackle nature of modern Moore Street is a far better story to tell about how far the State has come in 90 years, rather than looking back through the green-tinged sunglasses of Republicanism at an uprising that was a terrible failure and had little popular support.

mickydoomsux

Paramite Pie wrote: »

Are there any images/concept art showing what the refurbished street might look like?

I have no objection to new buildings being built but it'd be nice if the style of the new contructions pay some sort of architectural homage to Dublin's Georgian and Victorian style - while still being modern.:)

I couldn't give a **** if every single store is a ****ing Starbucks.

Whatever generates more cash for the exchequer should be put in there. Tying up prime city centre real estate with "heritage" cack is such a waste.

Human history spans hundreds of thousands of years but something that happened in 1916 is oh-so-special. It is in my ****e.

Nodin

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I couldn't give a **** if every single store is a ****ing Starbucks.

Whatever generates more cash for the exchequer should be put in there. Tying up prime city centre real estate with "heritage" cack is such a waste.

Human history spans hundreds of thousands of years but something that happened in 1916 is oh-so-special. It is in my ****e.

Kill!!!! Bulldoze!!!!!!!! Build!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I may preserve the above post as an answer to the question 'what happened to Georgian Dublin and Why didn't it get World Heritage status?'

Also 'What's a philistine?'

darkpagandeath

Nodin wrote: »

Kill!!!! Bulldoze!!!!!!!! Build!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I may preserve the above post as an answer to the question 'what happened to Georgian Dublin and Why didn't it get World Heritage status?'

Also 'What's a philistine?'

a member of a non-Semitic people of ancient southern Palestine, who came into conflict with the Israelites during the 12th and 11th centuries BC.

according to google

Nodin

darkpagandeath wrote: »

a member of a non-Semitic people of ancient southern Palestine, who came into conflict with the Israelites during the 12th and 11th centuries BC.

according to google

You needed to Google harder
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/philistine

darkpagandeath

Nodin wrote: »

You needed to Google harder
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/philistine

Nope I gave you the etymology of the word not the modern meaning