Ford + Fiat + 160bhp + wet roads = bad outcome

josip

Reported in today's Indo.

160 bhp seem like quite a bit of oomph in a smallish car.

I guess you can always say that any accident is the driver's fault

"The car just skidded as it was raining really badly and Nadia braked to try to control it and it spun out of control, flipping over."

I assume they mean aqua planed rather than "skidded".

Should sellers of "high powered" cars be obliged to include some driver training for the car they are about to purchase?

Kenny Logins

So she hit a puddle and crashed her car "flipping over several times".

"It was one of those unavoidable things" - a friend said.

Jesus.

Dartz

How fast was she going in the thing to have enough kinetic energy to flip it over six times?

I sense a case of Speed followed by Lift-Off oversteer.....

jimgoose

Too much pep in that little yoke for the particular driver, methinks. A friend of ours managed to turn a Yaris over on a motorway some years back, mere months after passing her driving test. Some people are just a terror ta Jaysis. :pac:

Viper_JB

Skinny wheels and a short wheel base probably didn't help...but hey gotta be a pretty safe car that she was able to walk away from it after flipping over a bunch of times, gotta be quiet a lot of driver error involved here.

tossy

It's the indo she probably aquaplaned and did a 180, glad she's alright though.

VeVeX

Thread title should be - Nadia Forde + Bad driving = crash

She was obviously driving outside her capabilities in weather were she should have been more careful.

porsche959

josip wrote: »

Should sellers of "high powered" cars be obliged to include some driver training for the car they are about to purchase?

No.

djimi

josip wrote: »

Should sellers of "high powered" cars be obliged to include some driver training for the car they are about to purchase?

No. Its up to the driver to know what they are driving. Ill hazard a guess that if she was driving the conditions then this would not have happened; cars very rarely skid and flip over of their own accord...

Kenny Logins

OSI wrote: »

Why? What about the car having 160bhp meant she flipped the car? None of it. She aquaplanned on the motorway and panicked. Cue poor driving decision and flipped car. Nothing to do with it being "high powered".

Aye, any car can do 50mph + in the wet.

tossy

You could actually argue the point that high performance car is less likely to loose it, as it will have better suspension and better tyres (usually) and maybe better electronic intervention. which the owner will have turned on of course

Cleveland Hot Pocket

High performance? Lads it's 160 bhp hardly a rocketship.
Poor driving in the wet leads to a little spin, shock horror!
Lazy reporting by the indo again.

jimgoose

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

High performance? Lads it's 160 bhp hardly a rocketship.
Poor driving in the wet leads to a little spin, shock horror!
Lazy reporting by the indo again.

It's a good job it wasn't a Lambo or a 426 Hemi she had - there'd be moral panic on a par with John Charles McQuaid! :pac:

josip

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

High performance? Lads it's 160 bhp hardly a rocketship.
Poor driving in the wet leads to a little spin, shock horror!
Lazy reporting by the indo again.

Not a rocketship but it's power to weight ratio would be above some more powerful larger cars.

renofan

josip wrote: »

Not a rocketship but it's power to weight ratio would be above some more powerful larger cars.

I had one for a week when I was in England in 2012. It was some fun I can tell you. I'd buy one if I didn't need a practical car.

jimgoose

josip wrote: »

Not a rocketship but it's power to weight ratio would be above some more powerful larger cars.

Mmm. Peppy enough, but only 12 BHP/tonne up on, for example, a 2.0 TSI Passat Sport. 'Tis no Fireblade.

dar83

Misspelled thread title = head scratching wondering where the other car was involved...

challengemaster

josip wrote: »

Should sellers of "high powered" cars be obliged to include some driver training for the car they are about to purchase?

They're already obliged to put in airbags and seatbelts, which seem to be holding back natural selection by quite a bit :pac:

josip

In addition to seven airbags, the 500 Abarth comes with...

I'd say she used most of these during her six flips

...smart pedals that move out of the way during a collision to better protect the driver's feet and legs...

Important consideration if you're a model and need to work

...Traction and stability control systems are also fitted as standard

There's only so much the technology can do

Joe 90

josip wrote: »

Not a rocketship but it's power to weight ratio would be above some more powerful larger cars.

That table is weight divided by power, bigger number means less performance.:)

josip

Joe 90 wrote: »

That table is weight divided by power, bigger number means less performance.:)

1/Oh!

JC01

160bhp is powerful now? Jesus wept...

earlyapex

I think it's just a case of fake planted story. Her trying to raise her profile as she is trying to launch a singing career.

you see this all the time when career is fading or new album coming out soon, like jedward almost drowning.

djimi

JC01 wrote: »

160bhp is powerful now? Jesus wept...

Its powerful enough in a car that size. And its powerful relative to the majority of cars on the road over here.

I agree though, its not exactly a rocketship and Im not having its power as much of a factor in this incident. Anyone who drives anything with a bit of poke should know how to adjust to the conditions.

ofcork

According to a sunday paper she has got herself a Porsche boxster in the us!

projectgtr

Glad shes ok but obviously driving out of her abilities

Viper_JB wrote: »

Skinny wheels and a short wheel base probably didn't help...but hey gotta be a pretty safe car that she was able to walk away from it after flipping over a bunch of times, gotta be quiet a lot of driver error involved here.

205 or 215 is hardly a skinny tyre now in fairness tbh specially on a car that size

josip wrote: »

Should sellers of "high powered" cars be obliged to include some driver training for the car they are about to purchase?

straight up, NO

colm_mcm

Regular Abarths are 135bhp

gctest50

Could have been lotsa things - happily she's ok

- added bonus : you can spot clowns by them saying "omg the 160hp did it, evil, evil "

bop1977

Good to know she is ok. A testimony to modern safety standards.

(AH answer) wimmins drivers, pfth;-).

BMJD

Always someone or something else to blame....

visual

gctest50 wrote: »

Could have been lotsa things - happily she's ok

- added bonus : you can spot clowns by them saying "omg the 160hp did it, evil, evil "

Is that correct as I would have expected those results for over pressure not under

gctest50

visual wrote: »

Is that correct as I would have expected those results for over pressure not under

Under or over wouldn't be great

that yoke was from here :

http://www.maxxis.co.uk/know-your-tyres/know-your-car-tyres/tyre-pressure

/ must go nose for something better

gctest50

they seemed to have loads of time years ago for testing this craic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdHwuBbyu74

colm_mcm

visual wrote: »

Is that correct as I would have expected those results for over pressure not under

I would have thought less contact area would reduce aquaplaning.

foxy farmer

earlyapex wrote: »

I think it's just a case of fake planted story. Her trying to raise her profile as she is trying to launch a singing career.

you see this all the time when career is fading or new album coming out soon, like jedward almost drowning.

Can't find any pics of said car after crash so you could have a point there. One pic of her with Fiesta cabriolet and she in 6inch heels. Hope she doesn't drive wearing them.