I'm absolutely delighted that Messi didn't win the World Cup...

Johnny Utah

Well done to Germany, they well deserved their victory.

However, Lionel Messi has been pretty useless in the tournament overall, but especially in the latter stages. He only touched the ball once against Holland in the semi-final and was pretty anonymous again tonight in the final against Germany.

And, to think people were trying to compare him to Maradona before the tournament, lol. He's at his peak now and the tournament was was held in South America, so realistically this was probably his best ever chance to lift the World Cup.

But why is Messi so overrated?

After the game tonight, the great John Giles just excused Messi's abysmal performance because "he was a bit tired", lol. I bet he wouldn't be so lenient on someone like Cristiano Ronaldo! In fact, C Ronaldo actually made more of an impact in this World Cup than Messi did, even though he played less games.

Anyone else agree with me that Messi isn't that great? He's not really able to do it on the big stage and isn't anywhere near as good as Maradona was at his peak in the 80s.

SureYWouldntYa

Johnny Utah wrote: »

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But why is Messi so overrated?

Sure scoring hundreds of goals for Barcelona means nothing

retalivity

Hello rayne...

brianregan09

Not able to do it in the big games sure didn't he single handedly take United apart in a Champions League final for Barcelona at one point

shamrock55

A right a - hole too so im led to believe

Liam O

retalivity wrote: »

Hello rayne...

Oh another re-reg accusation. That's new for this forum...

nullzero

He won payer of the tournament. Although I'm not sure why, but then no one else really stood out either.

Vurnon San Benito

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Well done to Germany, they well deserved their victory.

However, Lionel Messi has been pretty useless in the tournament overall, but especially in the latter stages. He only touched the ball once against Holland in the semi-final and was pretty anonymous again tonight in the final against Germany.

And, to think people were trying to compare him to Maradona before the tournament, lol. He's at his peak now and the tournament was was held in South America, so realistically this was probably his best ever chance to lift the World Cup.

But why is Messi so overrated?

After the game tonight, the great John Giles just excused Messi's abysmal performance because "he was a bit tired", lol. I bet he wouldn't be so lenient on someone like Cristiano Ronaldo! In fact, C Ronaldo actually made more of an impact in this World Cup than Messi did, even though he played less games.

Anyone else agree with me that Messi isn't that great? He's not really able to do it on the big stage and isn't anywhere near as good as Maradona was at his peak in the 80s.

What World Cup were you watching, 2010?

Liam O

brianregan09 wrote: »

Not able to do it in the big games sure didn't he single handedly take United apart in a Champions League final for Barcelona at one point

I think that was more the best midfield trio of all time than Messi...

fullstop

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Well done to Germany, they well deserved their victory.

However, Lionel Messi has been pretty useless in the tournament overall, but especially in the latter stages. He only touched the ball once against Holland in the semi-final and was pretty anonymous again tonight in the final against Germany.

And, to think people were trying to compare him to Maradona before the tournament, lol. He's at his peak now and the tournament was was held in South America, so realistically this was probably his best ever chance to lift the World Cup.

But why is Messi so overrated?

After the game tonight, the great John Giles just excused Messi's abysmal performance because "he was a bit tired", lol. I bet he wouldn't be so lenient on someone like Cristiano Ronaldo! In fact, C Ronaldo actually made more of an impact in this World Cup than Messi did, even though he played less games.

Anyone else agree with me that Messi isn't that great? He's not really able to do it on the big stage and isn't anywhere near as good as Maradona was at his peak in the 80s.

Good man yourself. Is there any need for this petty ****e? Great team around him too...

Johnny Utah

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Sure scoring hundreds of goals for Barcelona means nothing

brianregan09 wrote: »

Not able to do it in the big games sure didn't he single handedly take United apart in a Champions League final for Barcelona at one point

Easy enough to perform well when you're playing in one of the greatest clubs sides of all times (which Barcelona were for a few years), with players like Xavi and Iniesta passing it around the opposition!

C. Ronaldo, or Maradona never had this luxury.

bucketybuck

brianregan09 wrote: »

Not able to do it in the big games sure didn't he single handedly take United apart in a Champions League final for Barcelona at one point

No, you are very wrong.

It was Xavi and Iniesta that took United apart that day, not Messi.

Rayne Wooney

Xavi and Iniesta have done alright without Messi, Messi not so much without his Barca boys

Johnny Utah

nullzero wrote: »

He won payer of the tournament. Although I'm not sure why, but then no one else really stood out either.

Clearly, James Rodriguez should have won player of the tournament.

More bollix from FIFA!

Pyjamarama

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Xavi and Iniesta have done alright without Messi, Messi not so much without his Barca boys

Yeah he just got his team to the World Cup final... Sure everyone can do that.

nullzero

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Clearly, James Rodriguez should have won player of the tournament.

More bollix from FIFA!

Just for being called Ham-ez I would have thought.

pavb2

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Clearly, James Rodriguez should have won player of the tournament.

More bollix from FIFA!

Robben for me aside from his antics he put in some good energetic performances

feargale

shamrock55 wrote: »

A right a - hole too so im led to believe

Why so? In what way?

nullzero

feargale wrote: »

Why so? In what way?

Ditched PES and defected to fifa when the going got tough.

Johnny Utah

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Yeah he just got his team to the World Cup final... Sure everyone can do that.

No he didn't, not singlehandedly anyway.

Unlike Maradona in 86, Messi has some decent world class players around him in this Argentinian team. Decent players that ply their trade in some of Europe's biggest clubs; Lavezzi, Di Maria, Demichellis, Aguero, Mascherano. Compare these players to the 1986 Argentina side and you will se that there is no comparison between Messi and Maradona!

rob316

They wouldn't have gotten out of the group stages only for messi so he had plenty of impact.

Lucas Hood

I don't agree with the messi hate but found it interesting that Neuer made more passes in the world cup than Messi did.

Johnny Utah

rob316 wrote: »

They wouldn't have gotten out of the group stages only for messi so he had plenty of impact.

LOL, that's nonsense. Argentina have some decent players (aside from Messi) and also had the luxury of being in a handy group, lol.

trashcan

Johnny Utah wrote: »

In fact, C Ronaldo actually made more of an impact in this World Cup than Messi did, even though he played less games.

While Messi was below what we've seen from him in a Barcelona shirt in this world cup, that statement is still one of the most ridiculous I've ever seen. Ronaldo put in one good cross in the World Cup (he may have scored in Portugals last game as well, I didn't see it) Messi scored 4 goals, giving his country crucial victories along the way, he also created the goal in extra time to win the last 16 game. Even tonight he almost created a couple, and was inches away from scoring. And that was him off form.

Johnny Utah

Lucas Hood wrote: »

I don't agree with the messi hate but found it interesting that Neuer made more passes in the world cup than Messi did.

I suppose it also proves that he's a glory-hunting bastard. I'd hate to play with a player like that, you'd never get a pass!

brevity

What a ****ing stupid thread.

Johnny Utah

brevity wrote: »

What a ****ing stupid thread.

And yet your contribution has added so much!

Thanks for posting!

Lucas Hood

Johnny Utah wrote: »

I suppose it also proves that he's a glory-hunting bastard. I'd hate to play with a player like that, you'd never get a pass!

No no. He still created the most chances in the WC (I think) And was involved in 87% Argentinas goals.

Montroseee

Lucas Hood wrote: »

No no. He still created the most chances in the WC (I think) And was involved in 87% Argentinas goals.

No he didn't, Ozil did.

Frank Lee Midere

Lucas Hood wrote: »

No no. He still created the most chances in the WC (I think) And was involved in 87% Argentinas goals.

I don't think the OP is interested in facts.

brevity

Johnny Utah wrote: »

And yet your contribution has added so much!

Thanks for posting!

its added more than the ignorant ramblings that you have put forth.

klose

One player shouldnt have to drag an entire team through a 32 team tournament to be considered the best etc.. He played a massive hand in getting them out of the group, set up the goal to beat switzerland too in the last 16. Clearly not the best player but spare me, the likes of hazard/ronnie/the entire fcuking spain team etc had much worse tournaments than him.

As for this...

Anyone else agree with me that Messi isn't that great? He's not really able to do it on the big stage and isn't anywhere near as good as Maradona was at his peak in the 80s.

Barcelona
La Liga: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13; Runner-up 2006–07, 2011-12, 2013–14
Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12; Runner-up 2010–11, 2013–14
Supercopa de España: 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013; Runner-up 2012
UEFA Champions League: 2005–06, 2008–09, 2010–11
UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011; Runner-up 2006
FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011
Argentina
Olympic Gold Medal: 2008
FIFA U-20 World Cup: 2005
Runner-up:

FIFA World Cup: 2014
Copa America: 2007
Third place:

U20 South American Youth Championship: 2005
Individual
FIFA Ballon d'Or (3): 2010, 2011, 2012. Created in 2010.
Ballon d'Or (1): 2009. Ceased to exist after 2009.
FIFA World Player of the Year (1): 2009. Ceased to exist after 2009.
World Soccer Player of the Year (3): 2009, 2011, 2012.
World Soccer Greatest XI of All Time: 2013.
Onze d'Or (3): 2009, 2011, 2012. No winner in 2010.
European Golden Shoe (3): 2010, 2012, 2013.
UEFA Best Player in Europe Award (1): 2011. Created in 2011.
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year (1): 2009. Ceased to exist in 2010.
FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball (2): 2009, 2011.
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match (1): 2011.
UEFA Champions League Top Goalscorer (4): 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.
L'Équipe Champion of Champions : 2011.
FIFA U-20 World Cup Player of the Tournament (1): 2005.
FIFA U-20 World Cup Top Goalscorer (1): 2005.
LFP Best Player (5): 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013.
La Liga Player of the Year (3): 2009, 2010, 2011.
La Liga Foreign Player of the Year (3): 2007, 2009, 2010. Ceased to exist in 2010.
Pichichi Trophy (3): 2010, 2012, 2013.
LFP Best Forward (5): 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013.
UEFA Champions League Forward of the Year (1): 2009. Ceased to exist in 2010.
La Liga Ibero-American Player of the Year (5): 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.
FIFPro World Young Player of the Year (3): 2006, 2007, 2008.
World Soccer Young Player of the Year (3): 2006, 2007, 2008.
Bravo Award (1): 2007.
Golden Boy (1): 2005.
Marca Legend Award (1): 2009.
Trofeo Alfredo Di Stéfano (3): 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11
ESPY Best International Athlete (1): 2012.
El País King of European Soccer (4): 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.[319]
IFFHS World's Top Goal Scorer (2): 2011, 2012.[320]
IFFHS World's best Top Division Goal Scorer (1): 2012.[321]
FIFA/FIFPro World XI (7): 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013.
UEFA Team of the Year (5): 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.
ESM Team of the Year (7): 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013.
Copa América Young Player of the Tournament (1): 2007.
Copa América Top Assist Provider (1): 2011.
Copa del Rey Top Goalscorer (1): 2010–11, 2013–14.
Argentine Sportsperson of the Year Award (1): 2011.
Olimpia de Plata (8): 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013.
2014 FIFA World Cup Man of the Match (4): vs Bosnia and Herzegovina, vs Iran, vs Nigeria, vs Switzerland.
2014 FIFA World Cup: Best Player
Records
As of 5 June 2014.
World
Most FIFA Ballon d'Or awards: 4[322]
Guinness World Records title for the most goals in a year: 91 goals[323]
Most international goals in a year (club and national team): 25 goals (shared with Vivian Woodward)
Most consecutive league matches scored in: 21 matches (33 goals)[324]
First footballer ever to score consecutively against all teams in a professional league[325]
Europe
Most European Golden Shoe awards: 3[326]
Most goals scored in a season (club): 73 goals[123]
Most goals scored in a year (club): 79 goals[327]
Most European Cup top scorer awards: 4 (shared with Gerd Müller)[328]
Most consecutive European Cup top scorer awards: 4[328]
Most hat-tricks in UEFA Champions League: 4 hat-tricks[169]
Highest scorer in a UEFA Champions League game: 5 goals[329]
Most goals scored in UEFA Champions League knockout phase: 31 goals
Only player to score in 21 different cities in the European Cup
Argentina
Most goals scored in a year (national team): 12 goals (shared with Gabriel Batistuta)[330]
Spain
Most goals scored for a single club: 354 goals
Most away goals scored in La Liga history: 107 goals[166]
Most goals scored in La Liga in a season: 50 goals[331]
Most consecutive La Liga matches scored in: 21 matches (33 goals)[324]
Most La Liga hat-tricks in a season: 8 hat-tricks[332]
Youngest player to score 200 La Liga goals: 25 years[333]
First player to score at least 25 goals in 5 consecutive seasons in La Liga (shared with Cristiano Ronaldo)
Most goals scored in El Clásico matches: 21 goals
Most hat-tricks in El Clásico matches: 2
Most goals scored in the Supercopa de España: 10 goals
Barcelona
Top scorer in official competitions: 354 goals
Top scorer in La Liga: 243 goals
Top scorer in UEFA Champions League: 67 goals
Top scorer in European competitions: 68 goals
Top scorer in international competitions: 72 goals
Most hat-tricks in official competitions: 26 hat-tricks
Most hat-tricks in La Liga: 19 hat-tricks

I was going to screen shot it and post it but the list is literally too fcuking long.

Frank Lee Midere

Stats on Messi.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lionel-messi-is-impossible/

Banjaxed82

Nothing will take away from Messi's brilliance but his influence has waned dramatically since the group stages, and all lot of it is down to him.

There was nothing stopping him from dropping into midfield and getting on the ball more and running at the German's from a deeper position. Of course that would have required him to get involved more, and maybe run when he doesn't have the ball at his feet. He ran quick enough to chase down a player when he made a mistake and lost the ball...

He could have done far more damage if he applied himself more rather than just hanging about in the final third. He's disappointed me for the most part in this World Cup.

Johnny Utah

klose wrote: »

One player shouldnt have to drag an entire team through a 32 team tournament to be considered the best etc.. He played a massive hand in getting them out of the group, set up the goal to beat switzerland too in the last 16. Clearly not the best player but spare me, the likes of hazard/ronnie/the entire fcuking spain team etc had much worse tournaments than him.

I just don't see why he's lauded so much and overrated by the RTE panel.

Is it because he's perceived to be a nice guy? Much the same way that Paul Scholes was always overhyped and overrated, just because he was a nice, quiet lad, but was never able to do it on the international stage for England.

I just don't get all the hype for Messi!

klose

Johnny Utah wrote: »

I just don't see why he's lauded so much and overrated by the RTE panel.

Is it because he's perceived to be a nice guy? Much the same way that Paul Scholes was always overhyped and overrated, just because he was a nice, quiet lad, but was never able to do it on the international stage for England.

I just don't get all the hype for Messi!

I don't think bill, eamonn, john and liams opinion represents everyones. He's has like 42 goals in 90ish games for argentina, hes doing his part, if argentina aren't winning things you look at the collective 11 and not just 1 player. Higuain and aguero had worse tournaments really. Di maria didnt carry his madrid form either.

dreamers75

So the soccer access thing kicks in now and the clowns get removed? yeah?

methinks this wont happen.

greendom

Schadenfreude for the win

Paully D

Macavity.

Him and Mascherno carried a fairly mediocre team to a World Cup final and nearly won. I agree that he shouldn't have won player of the tournament, but the OP is one of the worst posts I've seen on this forum, and there's a lot of stupid posts on here. :-/

PropJoe10

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Well done to Germany, they well deserved their victory.

However, Lionel Messi has been pretty useless in the tournament overall, but especially in the latter stages. He only touched the ball once against Holland in the semi-final and was pretty anonymous again tonight in the final against Germany.

And, to think people were trying to compare him to Maradona before the tournament, lol. He's at his peak now and the tournament was was held in South America, so realistically this was probably his best ever chance to lift the World Cup.

But why is Messi so overrated?

After the game tonight, the great John Giles just excused Messi's abysmal performance because "he was a bit tired", lol. I bet he wouldn't be so lenient on someone like Cristiano Ronaldo! In fact, C Ronaldo actually made more of an impact in this World Cup than Messi did, even though he played less games.

Anyone else agree with me that Messi isn't that great? He's not really able to do it on the big stage and isn't anywhere near as good as Maradona was at his peak in the 80s.

There's such a smell of rubbish off this entire post, its hard to know where to even begin.

Lucas Hood

Montroseee wrote: »

No he didn't, Ozil did.

You got a source for this? . Espn say he created the highest with 23.

fullstop

Johnny Utah wrote: »

I suppose it also proves that he's a glory-hunting bastard. I'd hate to play with a player like that, you'd never get a pass!

You'd hate top lay on a team with Messi? :rolleyes:

Johnny Utah wrote: »

I just don't get all the hype for Messi!

If you don't get the hype for him, maybe you should have watched some football over the last 7 or 8 years before starting this idiotic thread gloating that he didn't win the world cup. Guess what, C Ronaldo didn't either.

Richard Hillman

Doper

Sandraevra

I'm just Delighted Brazil or Holland did not win it.

I think i would have puked IF brazil or Holland won it.

Messi you are and always will be a Legend anyway.

Well done Germany.

Sandraevra

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Doper

Your a doper?

Bounty Hunter

A thread specifically to revel in the fact that a great player didn't win the world cup is not needed, there have already been a load of potentially infractionable posts in here too so it's now closed. If you want to discuss if Messi is really that great I see the Messi vs Ronaldo thread has been bumped again.