Coaxial cable distance

Terryd1987 · 13-07-2014 6:52pm #1

I have just bought a house across the road from my parents, up to now I've been paying for the digital tv and have multiroom viewing, I don't want to take the digital away from them so I'm wondering could I take the multiroom line from the satellite across the road! It would be about 250m.. Would this work?

Provenzal · 13-07-2014 6:58pm

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to get your own dish?

Terryd1987 · 13-07-2014 7:00pm

Provenzal wrote: »

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to get your own dish?

Well then I'd be paying 2 subscriptions.

gctest50 · 13-07-2014 7:02pm

you can get wireless phone line extenders

Maplin Technical said:
Is this suitable for use with Sky boxes?
Yes, this will work with all Sky boxes (including Sky+HD), however there may be issues if the box is manufactured by Thomson.
http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/dect-wireless-phone-line-extender-a82fy

You can get long range outdoor ones too

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STB · 13-07-2014 7:43pm

gctest50 wrote: »

you can get wireless phone line extenders

They are seperate houses.

DECT devices would be only suitable if they passed through the same circuit.

Besides the distance being asked about is 250m away. DECT is 50m.

I am not going to spelll this out, but didnt Sky change the rules for multiroom, meaning a telephone wasnt required once the boxes were connected to via wifi........

gctest50 · 13-07-2014 7:47pm

STB wrote: »

DECT devices would be only suitable if they passed through the same circuit.

why would that matter to DECT gear?

STB wrote: »

Besides the distance being asked about is 250m away. DECT is 50m.

DECT = ~ 300m outdoors

STB · 13-07-2014 7:56pm

gctest50 wrote: »

why would that matter to DECT gear?

DECT = ~ 300m outdoors

Because you are using wiring from the electrical sockets within one house. They pass through a circuit breaker.

House A is not connected to house B for this purpose. They are on different circuits ?

Also that maplin Wireless Phone Line Extender "yoke" limitation is 50m on the one you linked from.

gctest50 · 13-07-2014 8:06pm

STB wrote: »

Because you are using wiring from the electrical sockets in the house. They pass through a circuit breaker.

DECT uses 1880Ghz -1920 Ghz in europe fdma/tdma

This phone uses DECT

- its wireless
- you don't need to drag a cable after you

STB · 13-07-2014 8:18pm

gctest50 wrote: »

DECT uses 1880Ghz -1920 Ghz in europe fdma/tdma

This phone uses DECT

- its wireless
- you don't need to drag a cable after you

I fully understand how DECT works. You obviously do not.

The base station for the solution you put forward extends the signal through the electrical wiring in the house. Thats why you do not have to drag telephone wiring around the house.

The premise of these things working is that they are going through the wiring of a house on the electrical circuit.

Would you mind telling me how your solution would work given the two houses would be on two different circuits!

gctest50 · 13-07-2014 8:28pm

STB wrote: »

I fully understand how DECT works. You obviously do not.

The premise of these things working is that they are going through the wiring of a house on the electrical circuit.

Would you mind telling me how your solution would work given the two houses would be on two different circuits!

I doubt it

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byte · 13-07-2014 8:28pm

@STB, those phone line extenders mostly use DECT now (though the OneForAll one originally did use the electrical circuitry, akin to Homeplug).

STB · 13-07-2014 8:33pm

byte wrote: »

@STB, those phone line extenders mostly use DECT now (though the OneForAll one originally did use the electrical circuitry, akin to Homeplug).

Thats exatcly what he has linked to.

http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/dect-wireless-phone-line-extender-a82fy#

gctest50 · 13-07-2014 8:36pm

STB wrote: »

Thats exatcly what he has linked to.

http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/dect-wireless-phone-line-extender-a82fy#

Maplin Technical said:
Can these be used alongside HomePlugs and PowerLine devices?

Yes, this does not transmit over the mains wiring, so will be fine alongside HomePlug devices.

The phone line extender uses DECT (Digitally Enhanced Cordless Telecommunications) technology to transmit.

anyway not good to be giving people ideas about getting around Sky satellite paid options

apologies if you have reading or other difficulties
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STB · 13-07-2014 8:50pm

Thats not what the product page says.

I would take what Maplin Technical people say with a pinch of salt.

Also the range on that device regardless of how it is received is 50m, not 250m.

gctest50 wrote: »

anyway not good to be giving people ideas about getting around Sky satellite paid options

apologies if you have reading or other difficulties
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I do not have any difficulties. Your solution failed on two or three reasons. Dont take it personally. You can go back and edit as many of your original posts retrospectively here as you want.

I was more interested in your simple solution to a simple problem from a tech perspective not bypassing Sr Murdoch. I didnt even go down the road of the RF nightmares these maplin yokes cause.

gctest50 · 13-07-2014 8:54pm

DECT uses 1880Ghz -1920 Ghz in europe so they [should be ] grand

Bad homeplug and CFL bulbs are gruesome

STB · 13-07-2014 9:06pm

gctest50 wrote: »

DECT uses 1880Ghz -1920 Ghz in europe so they [should be ] grand

Bad homeplug and CFL bulbs are gruesome

So you're a broadcast engineer as well. I see.

Lets hope that in the event that for some miraculous reason the DECT device you put across as a solution does extend 5 times past its specfied 50m limitation that the downstream signal frequency from the LNB on the dish dont match.

gctest50 · 13-07-2014 9:23pm

Nah , i just don't encourage people attempting to steal Sky products

- days of fun to be had recommending stuff that kinda-works though, they eventually give up and stop trying to steal it

STB · 13-07-2014 9:35pm

gctest50 wrote: »

Nah , i just don't encourage people attempting to steal Sky products

- days of fun to be had recommending stuff that kinda-works though, they eventually give up and stop trying to steal it

Then why did you reply ?

Kinda works. It would never have worked. But you didnt need to be a genius to work that out.

At least you learnt something new about IF.

Einkorn · 14-07-2014 11:52am

Terryd1987 wrote: »

Provenzal wrote: »

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to get your own dish?

Well then I'd be paying 2 subscriptions.

How would the receiver know it's connected to a different dish? The dish connection isn't your problem, it's the phone/wifi/whatever they use now to keep track of receivers.

Einkorn · 14-07-2014 12:05pm

STB wrote: »

... Lets hope that in the event that for some miraculous reason the DECT device you put across as a solution does extend 5 times past its specfied 50m limitation that the downstream signal frequency from the LNB on the dish dont match.

The DECT frequency will match the IF from the "Irish" Channel 4 transponder. But wouldn't you just use decent shielding in satellite cables & connectors to keep it out of where it isn't wanted? Same as you would if you want any DECT device to co-exist with channels on these particular frequencies?

Zardoz · 14-07-2014 1:02pm

Easiest thing to do would be cancel their sub and get Sky installed in your house .
A phone line is no longer required for multiroom in new installs,it was abolished last December.

winston_1 · 15-07-2014 10:33pm

STB wrote: »

They are seperate houses.

DECT devices would be only suitable if they passed through the same circuit.

Besides the distance being asked about is 250m away. DECT is 50m.

I am not going to spelll this out, but didnt Sky change the rules for multiroom, meaning a telephone wasnt required once the boxes were connected to via wifi........

via THE SAME wifi

Anyway this rule only applies for new installations after a given date last December. Older installations still new the phone line.

Coaxial cable distance

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