Saorview signal belting through here in NI!

Digifriendly

Have just transferred my late father-in-law's TV (Panasonic Freeview HD set) to my own house. Linked it up to Telecam Indoor aerial and Saorview channels all coming in loud and clear in downstairs room with signal coming from Clermont Carn. I live just outside Moira, Co. Down and even have trees surrounding the house so signal must be pretty strong. Added bonus is that if I tweak aerial to horizontal from vertical polarization then all Freeview multiplexes from Divis come through and even the low powered NI mini-mux from Black Mountain.

formerly scottish paddy

Yea the signal from Clermont is broadcast at 160kw while that from Divis is just 100kw and as you are nearly equal distant from both then Clermont would be your strongest signal.

Digifriendly

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

Yea the signal from Clermont is broadcast at 160kw while that from Divis is just 100kw and as you are nearly equal distant from both then Clermont would be your strongest signal.

Think I'm a bit nearer Divis (about 16 miles at most) and further from Clermont Carn (about 50 miles at a quick guess). Moira is around 18 miles from centre of Belfast.

hadepsx

Lucky u.I'm in carlow and reception is terrible

Provenzal

Digifriendly wrote: »

Think I'm a bit nearer Divis (about 16 miles at most) and further from Clermont Carn (about 50 miles at a quick guess).

Not a great guess. CC is less than 30 miles from Moira centre, Divis less than 13 miles.

CC transmitting aerial is nearly 2000 ft. ASL, Divis nearly 1700 ft. Both should be putting full unrestricted power in your direction, with no 'serious' terrain in the path.

Digifriendly

Provenzal wrote: »

Not a great guess. CC is less than 30 miles from Moira centre, Divis less than 13 miles.

CC transmitting aerial is nearly 2000 ft. ASL, Divis nearly 1700 ft. Both should be putting full unrestricted power in your direction, with no 'serious' terrain in the path.

Thanks for info.

reboot

Provenzal wrote: »

Not a great guess. CC is less than 30 miles from Moira centre, Divis less than 13 miles.

CC transmitting aerial is nearly 2000 ft. ASL, Divis nearly 1700 ft. Both should be putting full unrestricted power in your direction, with no 'serious' terrain in the path.

Nothing seems to have changed re the Null here at Annalong? No Cairn, but plenty from Dublin.

Digifriendly

reboot wrote: »

Nothing seems to have changed re the Null here at Annalong? No Cairn, but plenty from Dublin.

Is there seriously no CC reception at Annalong? Thought full power went across the border or is there a null to the east of CC?

Loos

reboot wrote: »

Nothing seems to have changed re the Null here at Annalong? No Cairn, but plenty from Dublin.

Clermont Carn is still heavily restricted in that direction. 21 dB down, according to Comreg technical parameters, so like 1.25 kW compared to 160 kW full ERP. The mountains wouldn't be doing any favours either.

reboot

Digifriendly wrote: »

Is there seriously no CC reception at Annalong? Thought full power went across the border or is there a null to the east of CC?

Seriously,the Mournes in general, Broadband Up To 1Mbit, Mobile 2G (Outside the house).Very limited Dab Mux,(Newcastle) Asian Channel, but not Radio Ulster. Forget FM.
TV reception at the Annalong ( high location)
, No Freeview UK HD channels,SD channels only from 200 Watt IOM Tx.Electric Car charge points (,when bays not blocked by petrol cars) ,50% have never worked with Renault vehicles since installation over a year ago,(Newcastle ,Kilkeel and Newry.
Sorry to rant off thread ,but Seriously?

More Music

Sorry for your loss.

reboot

Thanks for your condolences,but nobody died. Keep waiting for the new laser technology to replace fibre optic.We may be the first! Guess it would be on a terrestrial thread?
Thanks again.

Oscarziggy

and in complete contrast, I have just done a line of sight calculation from where I live in Wales and receive the full coverage from Mt Leinster .
A distance of 91 miles..............sorry.
Regards

Loos

reboot wrote: »

... TV reception at the Annalong ( high location)
, No Freeview UK HD channels,SD channels only from 200 Watt IOM Tx.

No Kilkeel?

Anyhow, some parts of IOM & Scotland rely on Divis, so the "trade" works both ways, though it definitely seems they get the better side of it, even if Divis is reduced to "Freeview Lite" due to interference.

reboot

Loos wrote: »

No Kilkeel?

Anyhow, some parts of IOM & Scotland rely on Divis, so the "trade" works both ways, though it definitely seems they get the better side of it, even if Divis is reduced to "Freeview Lite" due to interference.

Never mind "Pay per view",what about "Pay for what we may receive"?
Anyway, forget Wi-Fi, Li-Fi coming to shed a light in the darkness soon.
IOM HD signal was never available here,( Annalong,) as posted last year,although SD 100%.? Tried everything,Different aerials,amps,no amps,power supplies. Black art they say.

Liefelt

reboot wrote: »

... although SD 100%.? Tried everything,Different aerials,amps,no amps,power supplies. Black art they say.

What did you measure this 100% with? 100% on the quality display in a receiver might only mean the signal is just good enough to provide glitch-free viewing, & nothing more. The HD signal might only be slightly worse off.

TAFKAlawhec

reboot wrote: »

Seriously,the Mournes in general, Broadband Up To 1Mbit, Mobile 2G (Outside the house).Very limited Dab Mux,(Newcastle) Asian Channel, but not Radio Ulster. Forget FM.
TV reception at the Annalong ( high location)
, No Freeview UK HD channels,SD channels only from 200 Watt IOM Tx.Electric Car charge points (,when bays not blocked by petrol cars) ,50% have never worked with Renault vehicles since installation over a year ago,(Newcastle ,Kilkeel and Newry.
Sorry to rant off thread ,but Seriously?

To be fair, I hardly live in a bustling metropolis yet I can get ADSL & FTTC broadband along with TalkTalk LLU, three networks on 3G (O2, EE & 3) plus EE on 4G, Three PSB & Three commercial Freeview multiplexes, both Saorview multiplexes, pretty decent FM reception and three DAB ensembles in NI. Of course there's no Freeview COM7 or local multiplex, Vodafone is still 2G only for the time being, and ADSL2+ hasn't been enabled by BT, but it's not too bad for a village of around 1400 people.

BBC Asian Network radio on DAB is simply a consequence of it being on the BBC's National DAB ensemble as a UK-wide SFN. All BBC regional & local stations are dependent on local DAB ensemble coverage.

It is fair to say that quite a few rural locations get a seemingly raw deal on these matters, but that's what the likes of Freesat & Saorsat is trying to fill the gaps with when it comes to TV at least. However some rural spots do get surprisingly decent comms services - my uncle's family can 'only' get 2Mb download speeds on ADSL though that's pretty decent considering their line length from the exchange is approx 17km! They also have the option of a fixed wireless broadband service and even 4G mobile broadband from EE (or 3G with 3). And their nearest neighbour is about a mile away!

It's also fair to say some urban areas aren't exactly smothered in 'superfast' services, as an example my brother lives in Belfast in the west of the city and his predicted ADSL speed was less than what I currently get! Went for BB from Virgin in the end.

mrdtv2010

reboot wrote: »

Never mind "Pay per view",what about "Pay for what we may receive"?
Anyway, forget Wi-Fi, Li-Fi coming to shed a light in the darkness soon.
IOM HD signal was never available here,( Annalong,) as posted last year,although SD 100%.? Tried everything,Different aerials,amps,no amps,power supplies. Black art they say.

Not Black Art. More likely CCI from another UK high power transmitter wrecking IOM HD. You are outside the DPSA for that IOM SFN network and, unfortunately, in Annalong with the seapath you are susceptible to CCI from other cochannel UK transmitters.

reboot

mrdtv2010 wrote: »

Not Black Art. More likely CCI from another UK high power transmitter wrecking IOM HD. You are outside the DPSA for that IOM SFN network and, unfortunately, in Annalong with the seapath you are susceptible to CCI from other cochannel UK transmitters.

Agreed ,also no Dab from Newcastle or Kilkeel.It is as you say most likely Wales at 50kw or so,but pity its normally only the HD channels that are never there?

reboot

TAFKAlawhec wrote: »

To be fair, I hardly live in a bustling metropolis yet I can get ADSL & FTTC broadband along with TalkTalk LLU, three networks on 3G (O2, EE & 3) plus EE on 4G, Three PSB & Three commercial Freeview multiplexes, both Saorview multiplexes, pretty decent FM reception and three DAB ensembles in NI. Of course there's no Freeview COM7 or local multiplex, Vodafone is still 2G only for the time being, and ADSL2+ hasn't been enabled by BT, but it's not too bad for a village of around 1400 people.

BBC Asian Network radio on DAB is simply a consequence of it being on the BBC's National DAB ensemble as a UK-wide SFN. All BBC regional & local stations are dependent on local DAB ensemble coverage.

It is fair to say that quite a few rural locations get a seemingly raw deal on these matters, but that's what the likes of Freesat & Saorsat is trying to fill the gaps with when it comes to TV at least. However some rural spots do get surprisingly decent comms services - my uncle's family can 'only' get 2Mb download speeds on ADSL though that's pretty decent considering their line length from the exchange is approx 17km! They also have the option of a fixed wireless broadband service and even 4G mobile broadband from EE (or 3G with 3). And their nearest neighbour is about a mile away!

It's also fair to say some urban areas aren't exactly smothered in 'superfast' services, as an example my brother lives in Belfast in the west of the city and his predicted ADSL speed was less than what I currently get! Went for BB from Virgin in the end.

Have to correct myself,there was never a Dab signal from Newcastle or Kilkeel.

Liefelt

reboot wrote: »

... most likely Wales at 50kw or so,but pity its normally only the HD channels that are never there?

No Welsh 50kW transmitter on those channels: the closest Welsh station, Llanddona on Anglesea, is 10kW; Preseli, at the other end of the country, is 20kW.

It's probably a cumulative effect from these & any others that happen to be putting a bit of signal out in the Irish Sea.

reboot

Liefelt wrote: »

What did you measure this 100% with? 100% on the quality display in a receiver might only mean the signal is just good enough to provide glitch-free viewing, & nothing more. The HD signal might only be slightly worse off.

Quite agree re 100%.
I considered CCI of course and was full of hope when the channel moved to another number,but no change in T2 problem.At one time the postcode checker was showing IOM as the preferred Tx,but then changed to Kilkeel.No signal was ever found from there. Its still saying Kilkeel There has in fact been glitch free viewing since DSO,but HD came in very seldom.,and never now.
Thanks for your interest..

reboot

Liefelt wrote: »

No Welsh 50kW transmitter on those channels: the closest Welsh station, Llanddona on Anglesea, is 10kW; Preseli, at the other end of the country, is 20kW.

It's probably a cumulative effect from these & any others that happen to be putting a bit of signal out in the Irish Sea.

You are right of course,should have checked my facts,maybe I had seen 50Kw in the analogue days? Big bits of granite in the path may not be helping,FM and Dab no go at this location,but BBC radio Wales even in the car and CCI rte radio as well.Thanks

Thule

reboot wrote: »

I considered CCI of course and was full of hope when the channel moved to another number,but no change in T2 problem.

The CCI would still be there, since the Welsh transmitters moved channels too.

It's not a "T2 problem", as such. If it wasn't for its use of DVB-T2, Freeview HD couldn't carry so many channels on each mux, & still match the coverage (pretty much) of Freeview SD. I believe this was pointed out (with relevant figures, 256QAM v. 64QAM etc.) on one of your previous threads on this subject.

reboot wrote: »

At one time the postcode checker was showing IOM as the preferred Tx,but then changed to Kilkeel.

Changed to Kilkeel at Northern Ireland DSO, no doubt? Kilkeel didn't have any Freeview until then.

reboot

Thule wrote: »

The CCI would still be there, since the Welsh transmitters moved channels too.

It's not a "T2 problem", as such. If it wasn't for its use of DVB-T2, Freeview HD couldn't carry so many channels on each mux, & still match the coverage (pretty much) of Freeview SD. I believe this was pointed out (with relevant figures, 256QAM v. 64QAM etc.) on one of your previous threads on this subject.



Changed to Kilkeel at Northern Ireland DSO, no doubt? Kilkeel didn't have any Freeview until then.

You are right of course,don,t recall the previous thread,although I am the first to admit even I got fed up listening to me bang on about the Mournes and there problems.The neighbors do keep me busy trying to get them RTE from Black Mountain and the Cairn. Try telling them they have to have an HD box to receive SD RTE from Belfast (Light) ,while Carlingford has a Null to the NEast,and why at Annalong Kippure and HD ramp in on a piece of wet string.Thanks.