Whole crop cost

mahoney_j

What would lads consider a good price for whole crop wheat,to buy and then to harvest.i had an advisor looking at a crop I'm buying and he reckons its a close on 4 tonne crop.costing me ball park 750 an acre plus harvesting .would 100 an acre cut it and pit it.,3 mile draw so 6 mile round trip

Mods could ye change thread title to whole crop cost please!!!

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

What would lads consider a good price for whole crop wheat,to buy and then to harvest.i had an advisor looking at a crop I'm buying and he reckons its a close on 4 tonne crop.costing me ball park 750 an acre plus harvesting .would 100 an acre cut it and pit it.,3 mile draw so 6 mile round trip

Mods could ye change thread title to whole crop cost please!!!

Well say its a 4T crop.
Whats wheat now sheaba 163/t so 650/acre is what owner stood to gain. Then the straw. 10 bales/acre ?

sheebadog

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Well say its a 4T crop.
Whats wheat now sheaba 163/t so 650/acre is what owner stood to gain. Then the straw. 10 bales/acre ?

Green wheat will be ~ €145 at 20% moisture.
Problem with whole crop is that the green straw rapes the ground of p+k.
When straw ripens it returns most of the p+k to the soil.

Deano7

mahoney_j wrote: »

What would lads consider a good price for whole crop wheat,to buy and then to harvest.i had an advisor looking at a crop I'm buying and he reckons its a close on 4 tonne crop.costing me ball park 750 an acre plus harvesting .would 100 an acre cut it and pit it.,3 mile draw so 6 mile round trip

Mods could ye change thread title to whole crop cost please!!!

For an advisor to state 4 M/T on the nose is very hard to believe, work out a price per load or weigh 1 A/C. You could pay well over the odds if you don't have experience.

sheebadog

Deano7 wrote: »

For an advisor to state 4 M/T on the nose is very hard to believe, work out a price per load or weigh 1 A/C. You could pay well over the odds if you don't have experience.

Why? A 4 ton crop of w wheat is nothing to write home about.
This is 2014 not 1964.

Deano7

sheebadog wrote: »

Why? A 4 ton crop of w wheat is nothing to write home about.
This is 2014 not 1964.

Yes a 4 M/T crop is average, but yield is very hard to predict as it's based on a lot of variables, even the most experienced farmers would b reluctant to predict yield.

freedominacup

I'd be trying to get at least a sample of the loads weighed mahoney. I'd also try to base the price on a dm and starch level. 30 percent for both. Agree an on account price of around 80 percent of the base for immediate payment and the balance once analysis is back. You will still be paying him in early September. If this deal is to have a long term future you both need to be sure you're getting something out of it. And you don't want to find out that the grower was after pawning you of with a field that wasn't going to grade elsewhere and if he has at least you will only be paying for what you actually got.

I'd advocate applying a preservative to it also. 100 per acre is the going rate around here for wholecrop harvesting.

mahoney_j

Deano7 wrote: »

For an advisor to state 4 M/T on the nose is very hard to believe, work out a price per load or weigh 1 A/C. You could pay well over the odds if you don't have experience.

Local and well respected Tegasc advisor looked at it ,I wouldn't have a clue.also pointed out it was very clean looking and very little disease problems.reckoned it will do 4 tonne and possibly more with good grain fill over next few weeks.

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Local and well respected Tegasc advisor looked at it ,I wouldn't have a clue.also pointed out it was very clean looking and very little disease problems.reckoned it will do 4 tonne and possibly more with good grain fill over next few weeks.

I would have thought it would be cut soon? A lot if winter wheat around me here starting to turn

mahoney_j

freedominacup wrote: »

I'd be trying to get at least a sample of the loads weighed mahoney. I'd also try to base the price on a dm and starch level. 30 percent for both. Agree an on account price of around 80 percent of the base for immediate payment and the balance once analysis is back. You will still be paying him in early September. If this deal is to have a long term future you both need to be sure you're getting something out of it. And you don't want to find out that the grower was after pawning you of with a field that wasn't going to grade elsewhere and if he has at least you will only be paying for what you actually got.

I'd advocate applying a preservative to it also. 100 per acre is the going rate around here for wholecrop harvesting.

Thanks for that freedom.it a new venture for me this year so appreciate the info.mobey/payement etc won't be much of an issue as I know guy well.down the road I'm hoping to get to a situation where he grows about 15 acres of maize and wc wheat for me on annual basis.this is something he is very open to and should provide a serious quality buffer feed to grass in sumner/autumn.on the preservative would u say its cruical,wasn't planning in using any .

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I would have thought it would be cut soon? A lot if winter wheat around me here starting to turn

Would be a bit later gg here but again only going on advice,will be cutting at about 30% moisture.hecteckoned 2 weeks maby a small bit more

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Would be a bit later gg here but again only going on advice,will be cutting at about 30% moisture.hecteckoned 2 weeks maby a small bit more

Just looking at field across from me here looking like it would be cutable now for whole crop.
So when's the diet feeder arriving?

freedominacup

mahoney_j wrote: »

Thanks for that freedom.it a new venture for me this year so appreciate the info.mobey/payement etc won't be much of an issue as I know guy well.down the road I'm hoping to get to a situation where he grows about 15 acres of maize and wc wheat for me on annual basis.this is something he is very open to and should provide a serious quality buffer feed to grass in sumner/autumn.on the preservative would u say its cruical,wasn't planning in using any .

I was dubious about them too until last year. I still wouldn't rate many of the additives but the one we used last year did exactly what it said on the tin. It was purely a preservative and made no claims about increasing anything other than preventing spoilage. It was a liquid that had to be diluted. The modern harvesters have integrated tanks for additives. It was handy out once we got the flow rates sorted. I'll get the name of the stuff after the weekend and let you know.

The fact that you both want to develop a long term deal is all the more reason to weigh and sample.

frazzledhome

mahoney_j wrote: »

Thanks for that freedom.it a new venture for me this year so appreciate the info.mobey/payement etc won't be much of an issue as I know guy well.down the road I'm hoping to get to a situation where he grows about 15 acres of maize and wc wheat for me on annual basis.this is something he is very open to and should provide a serious quality buffer feed to grass in sumner/autumn.on the preservative would u say its cruical,wasn't planning in using any .

I've a Keenan in the haggard and your welcome to it

Deepsouthwest

mahoney_j wrote: »

What would lads consider a good price for whole crop wheat,to buy and then to harvest.i had an advisor looking at a crop I'm buying and he reckons its a close on 4 tonne crop.costing me ball park 750 an acre plus harvesting .would 100 an acre cut it and pit it.,3 mile draw so 6 mile round trip

Mods could ye change thread title to whole crop cost please!!!

Is it undersown with grass or straight barley/wheat? I've had my own wholecrop for the last few yrs, while it's a good feed it really packs down in the pit if there's grass on top of it and not half as bulky feeding out as it was going in, that could also have been as I cut mine early cos I was afraid of weather breaking before the grains hardened, if this happens the value of the crop plummets as a silage feed. That's something u should consider as well, once the deal is done the risk is all in ur side. Finally the price u mentioned sounds a bit steep to me, especially in a yr when it looks we're having (to borrow a term from another post!) a forage glut

mahoney_j

Itvis straight winter wheat,price not settled on yet but what I'm offering is 680 plus harvesting,bAsed on 4 tonne Corn yield at 145 /tonne=580 and 100 an acre straw(10 bales per acre @ 10 per bale).this again was advisor based and will be what's offered.contractor put 750 /800 an acre on it ballpark at sowing last October.a lot has changed since then.

sheebadog

mahoney_j wrote: »

Itvis straight winter wheat,price not settled on yet but what I'm offering is 680 plus harvesting,bAsed on 4 tonne Corn yield at 145 /tonne=580 and 100 an acre straw(10 bales per acre @ 10 per bale).this again was advisor based and will be what's offered.contractor put 750 /800 an acre on it ballpark at sowing last October.a lot has changed since then.

Sorry Mahoney, I wouldn't do business at that price......:)
What about the p+k you're walking away with?

sheebadog

For me a fair way to price it would be to work at a €200/ton @ 14%.
Do adjustment for 28-30%.
Weigh a few loads.
Stick to that price for 3-5 years.
Every year YOU choose the field you want. That is imperative.

mahoney_j

sheebadog wrote: »

Sorry Mahoney, I wouldn't do business at that price......:)
What about the p+k you're walking away with?

Aghhhh but all my farm yard manure was suppkied and ploughed in,and will do same this year .i use very little fym here as don't plough any more,that's why I'm looking at that bacteriosoil I was asking you bout the other day.thsnks for that by the way meant to reply to you

GRASSorMUCK

mahoney_j wrote: »

Aghhhh but all my farm yard manure was suppkied and ploughed in,and will do same this year .i use very little fym here as don't plough any more,that's why I'm looking at that bacteriosoil I was asking you bout the other day.thsnks for that by the way meant to reply to you

At that sounds good deal, cow poo or anything is like rocket fuel.

sheebadog

mahoney_j wrote: »

Aghhhh but all my farm yard manure was suppkied and ploughed in,and will do same this year .i use very little fym here as don't plough any more,that's why I'm looking at that bacteriosoil I was asking you bout the other day.thsnks for that by the way meant to reply to you

Gamechanger there Mahoney!
You're paying enough for it as it is and returning p+k.

sheebadog

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

At that sounds good deal, cow poo or anything is like rocket fuel.

Yes, good stuff alright. Grow all the maize here with it. I do give 20kg/ha of dap as a starter, but that's it.

mahoney_j

sheebadog wrote: »

Gamechanger there Mahoney!
You're paying enough for it as it is and returning p+k.

Thanks lads so at 680 an acre on what I've outlined what do ye make of that price.id be inclined to say its a fair price for both sides

sheebadog

mahoney_j wrote: »

Thanks lads so at 680 an acre on what I've outlined what do ye make of that price.id be inclined to say its a fair price for both sides

Very. I'd work on that every year no prob.

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Aghhhh but all my farm yard manure was suppkied and ploughed in,and will do same this year .i use very little fym here as don't plough any more,that's why I'm looking at that bacteriosoil I was asking you bout the other day.thsnks for that by the way meant to reply to you

I agree with giving the dung back. But I'd be very slow to not spread it if I had it. Dung is streets ahead if slurry IMO.
much easier on ground compared to slurry.

mahoney_j

It's in the pit in super conditions ,41% moisture ,tested at dinner time.didnt think if have it done after yesterday's thunderstorms

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

It's in the pit in super conditions ,41% moisture ,tested at dinner time.didnt think if have it done after yesterday's thunderstorms

What did you pay for it after? Want to talk to my neighbour when he's around