Recommendations for a €3000 gaming build

shane7218

First time posting on this forum but long time reader.

I have a budget of 3000 for a gaming rig and I would like to hear some recommendations on some parts to load into it. Parts I currently have in mind are :

Intel Core I7-4930K (6 Core)
16GB ram
Dual Nvidia GTX780 SLI
Asus Rampage IV Extreme
Cooler Master Cosmos 2

Gumbi

Couple of things. How 'balls to the wall' do you want to go? Because for 1500 you can have a really powerful system, after that it's just aesthetics, fancy water cooling and multiple big ass monitors.

As for what you've mentioned so far, if this is a gaming rig, why would you get a 6 core cpu? That just drives up the costa of both the cpu and motherboard for next to no gain in performance.

A 4770k/4790k (same chip just different TIM) arr vastly cheaper and will perform similsrly ingame (abd will have vastly cheaper motherboards.

RAM is cheap so I can understand 16GB, though I would tend towards grabbing a nice 8GB kit which overclocks well.

What would you kike for monitors? 120/144hz monitors? Multiple monitors? A single 4k one? This will affect whether you need a single card or dual card solution.

Yeti Beast

First things first.

ShadowHearth

I would highly recommend building a machine for up to 1500eu Maxy max maxy pads. Put the rest of the cash in to separate account for 10 years of future upgrades. :pac:

You can build a 4k system, but I would Highly recommend NOT to do it as value is just abysmal right now. It might change in October when 8 series of Nvidia comes out.

Calibos

I'd be holding off for another couple of months till things become clearer.

Haswell-E 5920/5930k in Sept/Oct
nVidia 8 Series around same time frame.
Likely there'll be news on Oculus Rift VR headset launch date and final specs for same by then. (ie best single card you can afford as opposed to SLI)

Etc etc

Just sayin' if it were me, I'd be delaying for a few months.

Bepolite

You can always dely, that said spending €3000 in one go is nuts. Spenf €1500, keep €1500 for toys as they become available.

As for expensive builds, I'm frequently suprised by the crap peeople buy to use such a nice machine on. Make sure you get a good keyboard, mouse and monitor - an investment here will pay dividends.

shane7218

Yeah I think I might wait for Nvidia's 8 series and go from their. I'm going all out on this machine been saving for years

Hogan1

Don't listen to anyone telling you to wait. There will always be something better due to come out down the line. If I was you I would get 2x amd r9 290x and a 4790k processor. Then I'd look into a 1440p or 4k screen.

Gumbi

Hogan1 wrote: »

Don't listen to anyone telling you to wait. There will always be something better due to come out down the line. If I was you I would get 2x amd r9 290x and a 4790k processor. Then I'd look into a 1440p or 4k screen.

Personally I'd get 2 290s (290x are less than 5% faster clock for clock and cost a heck of a lot more) and put the difference into high end water cooling.

ED E

Budget a chunk for a nice monitor arm and a triple 2560 setup. Thats luxury!

Oh and a nice desk DAC/AMP.

BloodBath

You can't run games on triple 2160p with playable framerates yet nor does he have the budget for it if you could.

3 x 2160p monitors and a decent arm alone are going to cost nearly 2 grand.

I'd go for a single large 28-30" 2160p monitor and a pair of r9 290's.

Overclock them and you should be able to hit a fairly solid 60fps on even gpu intensive games like metro last light and crysis 3 and at that resolution they will look amazing.

If you really want to spend 3 grand for a great 2160p gaming rig I'd go for something like this. Plenty left over for any top quality peripherals you might need.

Item|Price
AOC u2868Pqu|€529.41
Intel Core i7-4790K Box, LGA1150|€299.89
Cooler Master Nepton 280L Watercooling System|€101.15
Corsair Enthusiast Series RM1000, Modular, 80 Plus Gold 1000 Watt|€147.89
2 x Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 OC Windforce 3, 4GB DDR5, PCI-Express|€697.10
NZXT H440 schwarz mit Sichtfenster, schallgedämmt, ohne Netzteil|€109.89
16GB-Kit G.Skill RipJaws-X PC3-12800U CL10|€131.75
MSI Z97 GAMING 5 , Sockel 1150, ATX|€128.31
Crucial MX100 SSD 512GB (2,5", 7mm)|€169.68
Seagate Desktop SSHD 2TB SATA 6Gb/s NCQ 8,9cm (3,5") SSHD|€92.64
Shipping|€11.99
Total|€2419

Gumbi

Tri x 290 have far superior cooling to Gigabyte cooler if going air on 290s. Can be got for as low as 335 via geizhals.de too.

Great build apart from that.

frozenfrozen

buy very very good peripherals, you'll appreciate them more than 10% performance in-game. nice mouse, keyboard, headphones, speakers, chair, dac, desk

BloodBath

There's very little between them from what I've seen but if they are the same price go for it.

-Edit- I meant to change the case to the red/black version to match the parts.

Gumbi

BloodBath wrote: »

There's very little between them from what I've seen but if they are the same price go for it.

-Edit- I meant to change the case to the red/black version to match the parts.

Trix cooler is at least 10 degrees cooler and tops all the charts is every review as the best cooler (slightly better than powercolor pcs and slightly worse thsn the vaporx cooler). Also awesome vrm cooling.

BloodBath

Good stuff, go for the Sapphire one then.

Calibos

Whatever about a nice big 30" 4k productivity monitor, I would most definitely recommend holding off on a 3 monitor setup. Anyone with such a setup or indeed 3D vision monitor setup who has tried even the low res Oculus Rift Developer Kit 1 has been blown away and have sold or will be selling their current setups and eagerly await the Rift.

You'll never buy if you wait for the latest big thing is good advice when one is 6-9-12 months away from the next big thing. 3 months or less. Not so much.

ShadowHearth

Forget 3 monitors setups and get this. Not as demanding as 4k, and so much more space for productivity and actually useful in real world.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-106-LG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnrxNfxRK_4

EoinHef

Think the case(h440) is in the build twice bloodbath. Really nice build though.

BloodBath

EoinHef wrote: »

Think the case(h440) is in the build twice bloodbath. Really nice build though.

Fixed. Cheers.

indough

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Forget 3 monitors setups and get this. Not as demanding as 4k, and so much more space for productivity and actually useful in real world.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-106-LG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnrxNfxRK_4

i still think 4k is the much better option for all round use. that thing would be awful for watching films on for example, unless you don't mind the horrible black bars on either side. it would be pretty cool for any timeline based editing though i suppose

Luck100

There's also the ROG Swift 1440p with G-Sync and ULMB (ultra low motion blur). The price is a bit steep for the moment but it should settle down when mor supply hits the market.

ShadowHearth

indough wrote: »

i still think 4k is the much better option for all round use. that thing would be awful for watching films on for example, unless you don't mind the horrible black bars on either side. it would be pretty cool for any timeline based editing though i suppose

Ironicly 4k is a lot worse option due to very simple things. Its quite unusable with a lot of the software due to Font sizes. At 4k everything is just tiny. Yes Dpi is higher, but it means feck all if you need an magnifying glass to look at your monitor. Increasing the Font and everything in general then defeats the whole "extra space" right away. With 21:9 you get 4k resolution, but actual useful resolution as it gives you more space, not higher dpi.
4k will look better, but I will take large work space and larger field of view. These 21:9 aspect ratio monitors are the bees knees these days. Even 1440p versions, but 4k versions just kick it out of the park.

That LG is a dream for Racing sims and Gaming in general. Movies and just plain and simple work space. You can have 2 Websites on one screen with no drawbacks. I got 3 monitor myself right now and I would swap it for that LG34 in a heart beat. In fact, I will as soon as they drop in price and there will be GPU solution for mortals to run these behemoths.

indough

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Ironicly 4k is a lot worse option due to very simple things. Its quite unusable with a lot of the software due to Font sizes. At 4k everything is just tiny. Yes Dpi is higher, but it means feck all if you need an magnifying glass to look at your monitor. Increasing the Font and everything in general then defeats the whole "extra space" right away. With 21:9 you get 4k resolution, but actual useful resolution as it gives you more space, not higher dpi.
4k will look better, but I will take large work space and larger field of view. These 21:9 aspect ratio monitors are the bees knees these days. Even 1440p versions, but 4k versions just kick it out of the park.

That LG is a dream for Racing sims and Gaming in general. Movies and just plain and simple work space. You can have 2 Websites on one screen with no drawbacks. I got 3 monitor myself right now and I would swap it for that LG34 in a heart beat. In fact, I will as soon as they drop in price and there will be GPU solution for mortals to run these behemoths.

They will probably do some business in pc gaming circles but it will remain a niche market. I doubt that reading more than one website at a time will be much of a concern for most people and there is always tabbed browsing for that anyway. It would definitely be very handy in regard to writing essays when you need to have multiple sources open at once, i personally wouldn't buy a screen based on that alone though.

I didn't have any problem wrt font sizes on 4k but i do have good eyesight so maybe it could be an issue for those who don't. It would also depend on screen size, I wouldn't bother with a 4k screen below 40", and sit back a bit further from it.

But as far as watching films goes, this ratio simply will not be advantageous for the reason I pointed out already, unless you watch maybe westerns and ridley scott films exclusively. In fact, for this purpose, it poses probably the second worst possible decision after maybe going back to a 4:3 screen. Black bars to the sides just look ****e, whereas they are not as noticeable at top and bottom. Ever watched a 4:3 show on a 16:9 screen? It looks pants, but it is a necessary compromise. When you buy this screen you now have that same problem with 16:9/1.85:1 material as well as exacerbating the problem wrt 4:3 material. And the vast majority of film will comprise of such material, as well as all of television. The various film and tv aspect ratios just fit better into the 16:9 tv standard, which is why that was picked as the widescreen standard to begin with.

ShadowHearth

indough wrote: »

They will probably do some business in pc gaming circles but it will remain a niche market. I doubt that reading more than one website at a time will be much of a concern for most people and there is always tabbed browsing for that anyway. It would definitely be very handy in regard to writing essays when you need to have multiple sources open at once, i personally wouldn't buy a screen based on that alone though.

I didn't have any problem wrt font sizes on 4k but i do have good eyesight so maybe it could be an issue for those who don't. It would also depend on screen size, I wouldn't bother with a 4k screen below 40", and sit back a bit further from it.

But as far as watching films goes, this ratio simply will not be advantageous for the reason I pointed out already, unless you watch maybe westerns and ridley scott films exclusively. In fact, for this purpose, it poses probably the second worst possible decision after maybe going back to a 4:3 screen. Black bars to the sides just look ****e, whereas they are not as noticeable at top and bottom. Ever watched a 4:3 show on a 16:9 screen? It looks pants, but it is a necessary compromise. When you buy this screen you now have that same problem with 16:9/1.85:1 material as well as exacerbating the problem wrt 4:3 material. And the vast majority of film will comprise of such material, as well as all of television. The various film and tv aspect ratios just fit better into the 16:9 tv standard, which is why that was picked as the widescreen standard to begin with.

40inch monitor is not really a monitor at this stage. It's a TV.
I will still take 21:9 over 16:9 in 4k. As for aspect ratios, I don't really mind. I am watching back to back red dwarf and scrubs and it is not annoying me one bit.

BloodBath

The LG is IPS as well which is a plus over the 4k panels. Is there any 4k IPS panels yet?

TerrorFirmer

After buying my 21:9 monitor I'd never go back. FPS games in particular are so much better to play on it, and in terms of work, editing/writing is so much better as well.

True that most films mean you have a bar either side, which admittedly is annoying, I watch very little media on it though because my main TV is right beside the monitor. I have seen a good few movies/tv shows though that are shot 21:9 natively.

Headshot

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

After buying my 21:9 monitor I'd never go back. FPS games in particular are so much better to play on it, and in terms of work, editing/writing is so much better as well.

True that most films mean you have a bar either side, which admittedly is annoying, I watch very little media on it though because my main TV is right beside the monitor. I have seen a good few movies/tv shows though that are shot 21:9 natively.

what monitor do you have?

indough

BloodBath wrote: »

The LG is IPS as well which is a plus over the 4k panels. Is there any 4k IPS panels yet?

they do exist all right, but they just haven't hit the right price yet. here's one example:

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&sku=210-ACBL

although lg have just inveiled a 49" 4k ips tv for a thousand dollars less than that, so the dell may just be a particularly bad example

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I have seen a good few movies/tv shows though that are shot 21:9 natively.

Yeah there are loads of them, and 2.35:1 is my own preferred ratio as it happens, but there are still many more films and tv shows which aren't filmed this way.