100 - 110 Hp tractor Help needed choosing

The Cuban

I`m looking at changing to a 100-110hp tractor. The hardest work in front of it is Slurry agitating, running a chopper Baler, Towing a 6 bale trailer.
Any recommendations ?
I have been looking at second hand Same silver 100.6 or the 110 but I`m not sure of the specs of these tractors. As far as i know one is a 4 cylinder turbo the other is a straight 6 cylinder.
In general which would be better a 4 cylinder turbo or a 6 cylinder straight for HP and diesel consumption.
Also Ive been looking at the Hattat A110 its 100Hp but it does seem a bit light weight and am wondering if it would be under pressure Agitating and towing etc, but it does seem great value for the money.
Budget is sub 40k, ideally I`d like a 2005+ with low hours (and for less than 25k!!)

Cheers folks

GERMAN ROCKS

id go a massey 6270. I would always rather a six cylinder over a 4 cyclinder turbo for a chopper baler.

rs8

you would get a mint fiat 110 90 for that money, id be thinking along the lines of new holland tm120, massey 5465 or john deere 6420. hard to get with low hours and that kind of money but you will need that type of power with a chopper baler

grazeaway

If your budget is around the 40k then maybe take a wander into your nearest MF dealer. They seem to be promoting a 0% finance on new and demo tractors. Saw an ad on the jurno for the 5600 range think they were offering new ones for about 45k. If you can stretch to that range you could get a new one that ll do you for years and unlike a hattat would always have a resale value. Those 105hp 3 pot yokes look the job for loader work on a tidy sized tractors with nice bit of power.

As someone on here said before the day you buy is the day you sell so I would always look to see what kinda resale value you can get.

If your looking at about 05 then I would looking at a massey, caseIH or Newholland.

Zr105

Chopper baler is the big thing, it depends on your ground really, if lugging it up hills weight will be needed when the bales getting full or else youl be cutting drains. Have seen 68/9 deeres getting bet for grip on hills when bales are full as there's practically 0 weight transfer to the tractor from a baler, it'd more than likely be easier pull the 6bale trailer up a hill than baler...

Personally it'd be 6cyl every time if you can fit it in around yard without to much messing... As the Americans say "there's no replacement for displacement"

GrandSoftDay

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

id go a massey 6270. I would always rather a six cylinder over a 4 cyclinder turbo for a chopper baler.

What are the 6200 series masseys like for reliability, I don't know much about them but thought masseys of that era hadn't a great rep..

tanko

GrandSoftDay wrote: »

What are the 6200 series masseys like for reliability, I don't know much about them but thought masseys of that era hadn't a great rep..

I'm no expert on tractors but a neighbour of mine had a 6270 for a few years and it gave a world of trouble.

Zr105

GrandSoftDay wrote: »

What are the 6200 series masseys like for reliability, I don't know much about them but thought masseys of that era hadn't a great rep..

62's are grand 61's had a bit of a rep....

jp6470

I'd be looking at a new holland ts110a or 115a etc.

massey 6200 was a good tractor I thought.but mixed owner reviews around us.some love,some def gave few probs.

we had a 6290 and looking back it did have a few annoying breaks.but it's power and looks back then, all was quickly forgiven.

Pacoa

Those masseys for 47k are very basic spec I've been told. You don't get an air seat for instance.

royalmeath

donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-mx-110/6951518
this is a bit older than you want but I think they are a serious tractor with a great cab

weatherbyfoxer

Pacoa wrote: »

Those masseys for 47k are very basic spec I've been told. You don't get an air seat for instance.

Definitely! ...trying to buy one at the minute. ..your talking another 20k on top for a bit of decent spec and a good quicke loader

Livestockmad

The Cuban wrote: »

I`m looking at changing to a 100-110hp tractor. The hardest work in front of it is Slurry agitating, running a chopper Baler, Towing a 6 bale trailer.
Any recommendations ?
I have been looking at second hand Same silver 100.6 or the 110 but I`m not sure of the specs of these tractors. As far as i know one is a 4 cylinder turbo the other is a straight 6 cylinder.
In general which would be better a 4 cylinder turbo or a 6 cylinder straight for HP and diesel consumption.
Also Ive been looking at the Hattat A110 its 100Hp but it does seem a bit light weight and am wondering if it would be under pressure Agitating and towing etc, but it does seem great value for the money.
Budget is sub 40k, ideally I`d like a 2005+ with low hours (and for less than 25k!!)

Cheers folks

Id recommend a 4 cylinder turbo! It hasthat extra bit of go when its needed.. my opinion anyway. I have a 7740 4 cly turbo (100 hp roughly) and my neighbour has a 7840 6 cyl no turbo (110 hp rroughly) and ours would walk away with it!! Much better at pulling. Thats my experience.

Zr105

Livestockmad wrote: »

Id recommend a 4 cylinder turbo! It hasthat extra bit of go when its needed.. my opinion anyway. I have a 7740 4 cly turbo (100 hp roughly) and my neighbour has a 7840 6 cyl no turbo (110 hp rroughly) and ours would walk away with it!! Much better at pulling. Thats my experience.

Bog them down with a load and watch them tho, the 6cyl straight will hang way down to close on 1000-1200rpm, the 4cyl turbo you'll have to drop the gears once she hits 1500 or it'll just cut,
Used to have 4cyl ts100 and that was always the way when the other 100hp 6cyl in the yard would run rings around it

Damo810

Zr105 wrote: »

Bog them down with a load and watch them tho, the 6cyl straight will hang way down to close on 1000-1200rpm, the 4cyl turbo you'll have to drop the gears once she hits 1500 or it'll just cut,
Used to have 4cyl ts100 and that was always the way when the other 100hp 6cyl in the yard would run rings around it

Torque, torque, and more torque.

Zr105

Damo810 wrote: »

Torque, torque, and more torque.

Exactly, as i said earlier in the thread, there's no replacement for displacement

rs8

Livestockmad wrote: »

Id recommend a 4 cylinder turbo! It hasthat extra bit of go when its needed.. my opinion anyway. I have a 7740 4 cly turbo (100 hp roughly) and my neighbour has a 7840 6 cyl no turbo (110 hp rroughly) and ours would walk away with it!! Much better at pulling. Thats my experience.

i know of a 5455 that would burst a lower hp 6 cylinder tractor. i always found that a 6 cylinder no turbo was a waist of time under load. have driven plenty of them

The Cuban

Surely 6 cylinder tractors are very fuel thirsty ?

Damo810

The Cuban wrote: »

Surely 6 cylinder tractors are very fuel thirsty ?

Not exactly, If a 4 cyl is under serious pressure and a 6 cyl is not struggling the 6 cyl usually won't drink as much.

Rather than purely looking a 4Vs6 in this hp bracket though, I would look online at both torque ans hp figures, as just because something is 6 cyl doesn't mean it will have more 'poke'.

Look at;

http://www.konedata.net/
http://www.tractordata.com/

Konedata is usually more reliable with figures, and gives you all the information you need for a tractor from weight, to hydraulic output.

agriman27

If I was you I'd be take a look at massey 6465 they're a lovely capable tractor with a really torquey engine and they don't feel that big and they have a good turning circle and nice cab. They tend to be a bit more affordable because they're a little bit too small for contractors and not as handy as a four cylinder stockmans tractor. There is a class one down the north in gribben tractors with only 2200 hours.

Damo810

Valtra N series could be got for sub 40K easily and post 05. N92 or N101 would fit the bill and have plenty of power for the jobs you have in mind. €30Kish

Nh would have the Ts100A or 110/115A too, although as far as I am aware they only made that series form 03-05. €30Kish

As regards Deere you could get a nice 6330 or 6430, but your going to be spending 35-40K on one.

If it were me, I'd be keeping as far away from the Hattat as I could, Same would be better, but still not my choice, as neither will hold their value as well as the better known brands.