Massey Ferguson Problem

king_of_inismac

Hi all,

The father had his pride and joy MF135 engine rebuilt last year where the piston and rings were redone. This was due to the engine throwing oil back up the dipstick.

Now 8 months later, when we've started to really use the tractor (we wouldn't use it much during the winter), we've noticed it's losing a lot of oil and losing coolant through the overflow pipe.

We left it with the dealership to check it out. It sat there for 3 days with nothing done to it (I think they just ran the tractor once and there was no coolant overflow) and then charged us 50 Euro for a new rad cap and their "testing" labour.

We ran the tractor again today for 3 hours and lost oil again and coolant was overflowing.

Obviously I'm thinking the head-gasket wasn't fitted right (and I asked him to check it last week), but he insisted it was fine (he couldn't tell me how he verified it except to say it didnt overheat while they ran it).

I'm not sure what to do here. If I leave the tractor with them, they let it sit in the yard for weeks and then MAYBE do something with it. They had no interest in the diagnosis last time round, and don't think they'll do much if I go to them again.

I'd like to do a sniff test or equivalent first to prove the head is gone, but talking to a car mechanic he said he didn't know if you could do that.

Any ideas/suggestions?

farmerjj

king_of_inismac wrote: »

Hi all,

The father had his pride and joy MF135 engine rebuilt last year where the piston and rings were redone. This was due to the engine throwing oil back up the dipstick.

Now 8 months later, when we've started to really use the tractor (we wouldn't use it much during the winter), we've noticed it's losing a lot of oil and losing coolant through the overflow pipe.

We left it with the dealership to check it out. It sat there for 3 days with nothing done to it (I think they just ran the tractor once and there was no coolant overflow) and then charged us 50 Euro for a new rad cap and their "testing" labour.

We ran the tractor again today for 3 hours and lost oil again and coolant was overflowing.

Obviously I'm thinking the head-gasket wasn't fitted right (and I asked him to check it last week), but he insisted it was fine (he couldn't tell me how he verified it except to say it didnt overheat while they ran it).

I'm not sure what to do here. If I leave the tractor with them, they let it sit in the yard for weeks and then MAYBE do something with it. They had no interest in the diagnosis last time round, and don't think they'll do much if I go to them again.

I'd like to do a sniff test or equivalent first to prove the head is gone, but talking to a car mechanic he said he didn't know if you could do that.

Any ideas/suggestions?

Change mechanic would be my 1st thing anyway

ace86

I think to test the head properly it has to be removed,is there any oil and water mixture in the radiator?

theMountain

I am planning to do a similar on a 165 soon, just wondering what did the garage charge you for rebuild ?
Tks

Reggie.

If its losing coolant it could be a faulty radiator cap as it's not holding the pressure properly.

If still losing oil it sounds like the piston rings weren't changed or it was a bad job as oil is still managing to get up around the piston

tomwaterford

king_of_inismac wrote: »

Hi all,

The father had his pride and joy MF135 engine rebuilt last year where the piston and rings were redone. This was due to the engine throwing oil back up the dipstick.

Now 8 months later, when we've started to really use the tractor (we wouldn't use it much during the winter), we've noticed it's losing a lot of oil and losing coolant through the overflow pipe.

We left it with the dealership to check it out. It sat there for 3 days with nothing done to it (I think they just ran the tractor once and there was no coolant overflow) and then charged us 50 Euro for a new rad cap and their "testing" labour.

We ran the tractor again today for 3 hours and lost oil again and coolant was overflowing.

Obviously I'm thinking the head-gasket wasn't fitted right (and I asked him to check it last week), but he insisted it was fine (he couldn't tell me how he verified it except to say it didnt overheat while they ran it).

I'm not sure what to do here. If I leave the tractor with them, they let it sit in the yard for weeks and then MAYBE do something with it. They had no interest in the diagnosis last time round, and don't think they'll do much if I go to them again.

I'd like to do a sniff test or equivalent first to prove the head is gone, but talking to a car mechanic he said he didn't know if you could do that.

Any ideas/suggestions?

is it both going through the overflow pipe???
could be head problem as AFAIK...oil galleries can be near enough cooling jackets in some of them older type engines

Username John

theMountain wrote: »

I am planning to do a similar on a 165 soon, just wondering what did the garage charge you for rebuild ?
Tks

Got a similar job done on my 135 last year, rings, head gasket, radiator - cost about 1000 (maybe a bit less for that specific work, as there was a few other bits needing doing as well)

king_of_inismac

farmerjj wrote: »

Change mechanic would be my 1st thing anyway

I'm planning to but we paid 1500 euro for the rebuild and I'd like them to stand over their work. They're a main dealer selling and servicing tractors worth >80k each so I think we're low on their to-do list. That's fine but I wish they'd stop promising to do work and not doing it.

There's no bubbling from the radiator so maybe not the head. Indie mechanic said with new rings/liners it'll burn some oil for a while so maybe that's it. We'all see over the next few days.

onyerbikepat

The rings/liners probably need a bit of time to polish up and stop the oil from getting by.

tomwaterford

onyerbikepat wrote: »

The rings/liners probably need a bit of time to polish up and stop the oil from getting by.

I it was running for three hours....that should be more than enough to run it in

if it is losing excessive coolant...its the only job to pull off the head and get it pressure tested....it must be leaking comprssion under it and pressurising the system...just double check your thermostat before hand

Reggie.

tomwaterford wrote: »

I it was running for three hours....that should be more than enough to run it in

if it is losing excessive coolant...its the only job to pull off the head and get it pressure tested....it must be leaking comprssion under it and pressurising the system...just double check your thermostat before hand

When you rebuild an engine it takes about 50 hours to run it in

tomwaterford

Reggie. wrote: »

When you rebuild an engine it takes about 50 hours to run it in

we always build them up...run for hour and half (check leaks etc)....then on dyna for between 3 and 6 hours...as they say here to bed it in

Reggie.

tomwaterford wrote: »

we always build them up...run for hour and half (check leaks etc)....then on dyna for between 3 and 6 hours...as they say here to bed it in

Yeah but if ya haven't a dyna (even tho a slurry pump or silage harvester is damn close). The engine should be restricted for the first 50 hours with a light oiland then the oil changed again and normal oil put in. That's what I do to my machines.