Do Trolls serve a much needed higher purpose?

Lou.m

I like to think I am a pretty tough person.

I like to think I am a pretty positive person with a strong dissective filter for insults and criticism.

And part of the reason why I have these good things is because of Trolls. Not just internet comment apocalypse trolls. But real life trolls. People who unfairly **** all over your being. Abusers, bullies namecallers.

Without trolls my dedication and toughness would never have been tested and there would be no evaluative way to distinguish truly valid criticism from BS. Manipulation and Trolling reveals by contrast what is valid and honest.

Maybe the trolls are not debasing the internet or life. Maybe they are rarefying and refining the contribution of others.

All the nonsense does actually provide added value and status to the people who give positivity in my life and provide loving non self serving constructive criticism with no agenda.

There is just one problem.You see I have now been through so much that my skin is too tough for normal mortal trolls.

I am feeling all the tough love. But I have been through so much of it my self esteem is just soaring now. How am I to be taken down a peg or two? How can I climb the next mountain?

I mean what do I do now? There is just nothing that can get through.

Also I have a philosophical question. If we give Trolls a purpose do they in fact cease to be Trolls?

Woa......................................................................................

The flyblows reveal the blows of justice by contrast so are they really flyblows?

Slings and arrows of outrageous fortune moment....

Mindblown is sometimes to have stagnant air moved by hot air (my definition) not just brilliant air.



I had a weird day.

desultory

Serious batch of mushrooms ya picked up today then?

Sir Arthur Daley

The toll from dublin to cork is quiet expensive

Huh?

Diabhal Beag

Trolls are the most tender of lovers.

Sir Arthur Daley

my adobe flash plugin is after crashing so i dont know.

RedemptionZ

Shtoned ta fuck

Son Of A Vidic

The standard of Troll isn't what it used to be around here.

Lou.m

http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/18-types-of-internet-trolls

Different kinds of trolls all are warty...

From rabid flamers to talkers, crybabies, to those who make multiple accounts and pm peeps, white knights...a lot of it is to attempt to nudge other users of a forum...

Or a lot of it is pure boredom....

But maybe it's all good for us. :-)

Ah I have never minded a good aul trolling....builds character.

You are right though the standard has really dropped. There used to be a little genius in some ....

Most of em harmless. :-)

Needless to say don't ever be one peeps ..they have warts!

LizzieJones

Trolls go well with taters and if you cook them long enough they're quite tender.

Mark Tapley

Judging by this thread and your other one about smiley cùnts you are definitely having a weird day.

Mark Tapley

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Lou.m

Mark Tapley wrote: »

Judging by this thread and your other one about smiley cùnts you are definitely having a weird day.

It was ...I tried to be positive about it!

Overheal

Tail Docker

Have you tried going home to the Mammy for the weekend? Any time I need taking down a peg or two I do that. Nothing like it for bursting your bubble.

"Ah there you are Son! Have you been eating enough, you're looking very thin, is she feeding you?.." and on and on and on..

folan

Trolls are great for ensuring bridges stay uncrossed

Lou.m

Tail Docker wrote: »

Have you tried going home to the Mammy for the weekend? Any time I need taking down a peg or two I do that. Nothing like it for bursting your bubble.

"Ah there you are Son! Have you been eating enough, you're looking very thin, is she feeding you?.." and on and on and on..

That's nothing....:cool:

Lou.m

folan wrote: »

Trolls are great for ensuring bridges stay uncrossed

I rush em full on !

Red Nissan

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

my adobe flash plugin is after crashing so i dont know.

Is there any alternative to this rubbish? It works somewhat better in Chrome, but is the anti christ to firefox.

Lou.m

Red Nissan wrote: »

Is there any alternative to this rubbish? It works somewhat better in Chrome, but is the anti christ to firefox.

Is there not an update that you are due to do or something maybe?

mad muffin

I love the smell of troll in the morning :cool:

popolive

tldr ; OP is a Troll or sumting

Nichololas

Well they do keep the local goat population down

Lou.m

popolive wrote: »

tldr ; OP is a Troll or sumting

No I don't Troll. I like people...I want to get along ....I don't do the stuff that irks people on purpose ..:o I TRY ....and I usually say sorry if I go over the top..I am just passionate ...is all...

I want to bring love.

popolive

Lou.m wrote: »

No I don't Troll. I like people...I want to get along ....I don't do the stuff that irks people on purpose ..:o I TRY ....and I usually say sorry if I go over the top..I am just passionate ...is all...

I want to bring love.

I know what you mean. If it puts the lotion in the basket I reward it with a candy otherwise it has been very naughty and deserves to be punished

catallus

With the hose? Oh please, do me do me!

Lou.m

popolive wrote: »

I know what you mean. If it puts the lotion in the basket I reward it with a candy otherwise it has been very naughty and deserves to be punished

Ah no .... I don't take prisoners...I let those who don't want my love leave.

I slay my enemies though :mad:

I can't be bothered with people I hate that's my trouble! The lady is a tramp..

pickarooney

Red Nissan wrote: »

Is there any alternative to this rubbish? It works somewhat better in Chrome, but is the anti christ to firefox.

If you can get hold of version 28 or below and manage to turn off automatic updates you should be OK.

catallus

The trick with trolls is to make sure you have a few riddles up your sleeve in case you run into one when you're out and about. And then when they attack you can use your riddles on them.

ToddyDoody

Nietzsche was a troll

Saulcortez

Lou.m wrote: »

I like to think I am a pretty tough person.

I like to think I am a pretty positive person with a strong dissective filter for insults and criticism.

And part of the reason why I have these good things is because of Trolls. Not just internet comment apocalypse trolls. But real life trolls. People who unfairly **** all over your being. Abusers, bullies namecallers.

Without trolls my dedication and toughness would never have been tested and there would be no evaluative way to distinguish truly valid criticism from BS. Manipulation and Trolling reveals by contrast what is valid and honest.

Maybe the trolls are not debasing the internet or life. Maybe they are rarefying and refining the contribution of others.

All the nonsense does actually provide added value and status to the people who give positivity in my life and provide loving non self serving constructive criticism with no agenda.

There is just one problem.You see I have now been through so much that my skin is too tough for normal mortal trolls.

I am feeling all the tough love. But I have been through so much of it my self esteem is just soaring now. How am I to be taken down a peg or two? How can I climb the next mountain?

I mean what do I do now? There is just nothing that can get through.

Also I have a philosophical question. If we give Trolls a purpose do they in fact cease to be Trolls?

Woa......................................................................................

The flyblows reveal the blows of justice by contrast so are they really flyblows?

Slings and arrows of outrageous fortune moment....

Mindblown is sometimes to have stagnant air moved by hot air (my definition) not just brilliant air.

Your cringe is certainly soaring.

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9dgeYkYOZA

DEFTLEFTHAND

Some people take it very seriously, I think it must be an adrenaline rush to be involved in organised trolling in a group like Lulzsec. They start off on small message boards and sites and work their way up to hacking major organisations because they want a bigger rush.

This is where a line gets crossed as some Lulzsec members found out a couple of years back when they started fcuking with the CIA. The founder Sabu took a plea deal and started ratting out other members.

DEFTLEFTHAND

On a smaller level I don't like what's happening with Fred 'Bailbonsh' Herbert, where the daily phone harassment is obviously taking a toll on his business. Once they have enough material for the soundboard they should leave the victim alone, the problem is there's always an asshole who'll leak the number.

Lou.m

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

On a smaller level I don't like what's happening with Fred 'Bailbonsh' Herbert, where the daily phone harassment is obviously taking a toll on his business. Once they have enough material for the soundboard they should leave the victim alone, the problem is there's always an asshole who'll leak the number.

http://soundboardprankcalls.wikia.com/wiki/Bail_Bondsman

I have gotten calls like this over a period of a few days.

It has happened three times. twice it seemed to stem from FB.:rolleyes: It's kinda scary and hurtful.

anncoates

No strong feelings about trills one way or another but I sometimes momentarily wonder about the sheer repetitive effort that it requires to be a successful one. In any other sphere of (real) life bar internet forums, it would basically be seen as a bit weird or unbalanced.

Lou.m

anncoates wrote: »

No strong feelings about trills one way or another but I sometimes momentarily wonder about the sheer repetitive effort that it requires to be a successful one. In any other sphere of (real) life bar internet forums, it would basically be seen as a bit weird or unbalanced.

Trills??

OOOh are they a new one :-) ???

What about Tribbles??

http://www.atomic-arts.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/trouble-with-tribbles.jpeg

DEFTLEFTHAND

Lou.m wrote: »

http://soundboardprankcalls.wikia.com/wiki/Bail_Bondsman

I have gotten calls like this over a period of a few days.

It has happened three times. twice it seemed to stem from FB.:rolleyes: It's kinda scary and hurtful.

I see you've researched it a bit, ya there's loads of different victim soundboards out there, it's an online community that's growing.

The best thing to do is just say nothing, even turn off your phone for an hour or two if the calls are coming in non stop. If they're getting no reaction off you they'll soon get bored and move on.

Lou.m

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I see you've researched it a bit, ya there's loads of different victim soundboards out there, it's an online community that's growing.

The best thing to do is just say nothing, even turn off your phone for an hour or two if the calls are coming in non stop. If they're getting no reaction off you they'll soon get bored and move on.

I guessed that I may get a new phone or something.

My phone was also digitally cloned a while back ....so weird.

And thank you very much good advice :-)

anncoates

Lou.m wrote: »

Trills??

OOOh are they a new one :-) ???

What about Tribbles??

http://www.atomic-arts.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/trouble-with-tribbles.jpeg

That's funny.

Not exclusively in the spastic way, but also like funny ha-ha.

gormdubhgorm

Jayus you would know this thread not written by a fella anyway! The opening phrase is the giveaway! I like to think I am a pretty tough person. Well written though.

Piliger

"Troll" is the flavour of the year in the politically correct world. It has lost almost all meaning and has been distorted and twisted and abused so much who the hell knows what it us supposed to mean now ? More and more and more we hear about 'trolls' when what they really mean is inconvenient people saying things they won't to head.

gormdubhgorm

Piliger wrote: »

"Troll" is the flavour of the year in the politically correct world. It has lost almost all meaning and has been distorted and twisted and abused so much who the hell knows what it us supposed to mean now ? More and more and more we hear about 'trolls' when what they really mean is inconvenient people saying things they won't to head.

It will always be the troll in the Billy Goats Gruff story for me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO-5KgcfHmI

Shakespeare's Sister

Piliger wrote: »

"Troll" is the flavour of the year in the politically correct world. It has lost almost all meaning and has been distorted and twisted and abused so much who the hell knows what it us supposed to mean now ? More and more and more we hear about 'trolls' when what they really mean is inconvenient people saying things they won't to head.

People who know they're being inflammatory rather than constructive tend to say the above quite a bit.
Trolling isn't just views that a lot of people don't like, it's being deliberately provocative just to get a rise, and often not offering any support for the view in question, even when asked to do so repeatedly.
Objection to it has got **** all to do with political correctness. Now *that* is a term whose meaning is distorted and twisted and abused.

Piliger

Magaggie wrote: »

People who know they're being inflammatory rather than constructive tend to say the above quite a bit.
Trolling isn't just views that a lot of people don't like, it's being deliberately provocative just to get a rise, and often not offering any support for the view in question, even when asked to do so repeatedly.
Objection to it has got **** all to do with political correctness. Now *that* is a term whose meaning is distorted and twisted and abused.

You've just made my point. Clearly you don't read the newspaper articles that rant on about trolls every other week but clearly mean it in the the way I described. Those who don't get that are usually the kinds of people who know they're being inflammatory.

jonah_whale

Magaggie wrote: »

People who know they're being inflammatory rather than constructive tend to say the above quite a bit.
Trolling isn't just views that a lot of people don't like, it's being deliberately provocative just to get a rise, and often not offering any support for the view in question, even when asked to do so repeatedly.
Objection to it has got **** all to do with political correctness. Now *that* is a term whose meaning is distorted and twisted and abused.

the above thesis implies that one set of people have an inherent right to the role of arbiter of what is " right and correct " , who says i must prove anything to you or more to the point that you get to decide what is valid or credible ?

labelling someone a troll is nothing but a form of censorship , an attempt to discredit someone by way of placing them in a box

Piliger

jonah_whale wrote: »

the above thesis implies that one set of people have an inherent right to the role of arbiter of what is " right and correct " , who says i must prove anything to you or more to the point that you get to decide what is valid or credible ?

labelling someone a troll is nothing but a form of censorship , an attempt to discredit someone by way of placing them in a box

Unfortunately this is exactly what has happened. A quite useful term has been completely destroyed in the general public domain (though not completely in the more experienced forum and discussion domain, I think) and become a totally subjective tool for establishment hubris. And as a result, we are left without a term for those who really are intentionally disruptive, abusive, offensive and provocative in a bad way.
Language matters. It is ironic that it is journalists and writers that have done the biggest damage to this word, putting their own egos and income streams before what they should consider a core tool of their trade, the language.

gormdubhgorm

In the media it seems to be always women celebrities that are "affected" by "trolls".
As for the non-celebrities young teenage girls can be driven to suicide by internet bullying.
There seems to be an incapability to turn off social media! Also you never hear of men being "seriously affected" by people on the internet. Why is this? Is it a hyper-sensitivity/over emotional reaction issue?
Do trolls serve a higher purpose in weeding out the more sensitive/impressionable people in society like a form of natural selection?