Job offer on a 2.1. when you don't get the 2.1

Destroyer Of Worlds

Hey everyone, just a quick question and I was hoping some one might have experienced the same thing.

I have been offered an amazing job in which I need to obtain a 2.1 - I have already signed the contract and sent off all the docs required etc and I just found out today I will not be getting the 2.1. Now the company are convinced I won't be graduating till Jan - I mentioned a repeat and said I wouldn't have the 2.1 till then. As it stands there is no possible way I will get the 2.1

Has any one had experience with this and still gotten the job even with a 2.2?

The contract states the offer is conditional on a 2.1 but I don't know maybe they will just let me through?

Help, advice etc thank you!

Should Have Done Arts

What industry is it in?

Was kinda of position did you apply for?

Are the employers small or large i.e have they a HR manager that wants to maintain a reputation/prestige.

I know people that got jobs on a 2.2 degree because their down to earth and have common sense.

BTW a repeat of a college exam caps you qualification at a pass I believe. So its not a good idea.

If I was you I would still show up for work. and if any body askes dont say you got a 2.2 say you got an average of 55% or what ever it realy is.

See getting 1%below a 2.1 degree In my view is as good as a 2.1 so quote your average %.

InReality

If you can find and talk to the actual person you'd be working for you might be able to persuade them.

If the contract actually has specified a 2.1 you're in a difficult position.

When they have gone to that much trouble my guess is they are a) likely to be inflexible and b) likely to check your result.

What industry is it ?

Destroyer Of Worlds

Should Have Done Arts wrote: »

What industry is it in?

Was kinda of position did you apply for?

Are the employers small or large i.e have they a HR manager that wants to maintain a reputation/prestige.

I know people that got jobs on a 2.2 degree because their down to earth and have common sense.

BTW a repeat of a college exam caps you qualification at a pass I believe. So its not a good idea.

If I was you I would still show up for work. and if any body askes dont say you got a 2.2 say you got an average of 55% or what ever it realy is.

See getting 1%below a 2.1 degree In my view is as good as a 2.1 so quote your average %.

Industry is technology , grad entry so basic level stuff, and its a massive company, think it has about 300k employees world wide. They have a head of graduate recruitment but they are new enough so I dont know if theyd want to be making a name etc. According to the HR manager I really impressed by interviewer who was the Managing director so I hope that holds some ground.. Im so nervous now. I dont know if I should contact them and explain or just let it play out

Destroyer Of Worlds

InReality wrote: »

If you can find and talk to the actual person you'd be working for you might be able to persuade them.

If the contract actually has specified a 2.1 you're in a difficult position.

When they have gone to that much trouble my guess is they are a) likely to be inflexible and b) likely to check your result.

What industry is it ?

Its tech and id be an a department so the only contact I have is the grad recruiter who is new enough. Like ive signed everything and they have mentioned start dates a few times but never brought up the qualification and they havent contact any of my referees. bricking it really!

Should Have Done Arts

Managing Director!!!! I would just play it out. chances of you being inducted by them is nil.

Ina job like that its your ability to do the work that counts not your in dept knowledge.

Destroyer Of Worlds

Should Have Done Arts wrote: »

Managing Director!!!! I would just play it out. chances of you being inducted by them is nil.

Ina job like that its your ability to do the work that counts not your in dept knowledge.

Yeah it was a nice complement! Well I appreciate the feedback any way, its greatly appreciated. I just wish I knew now. The whole not knowing is destroying me!

alias no.9

Are you far off a 2.1? Close enough to be reviewed by the external examiner as a borderline case and maybe get bumped up? Talk to the head of your course / department and volunteer to be reviewed by the external examiner.

InReality

How far off is the start date ? Have you any other interviews lined up ?

If its far away I'd be inclined to tell them you got a 2.2 rather than worrying about it for months.

A slightly crazy option , depending on how big their operation here is , would be to go directly to the Managing Director , and see if he'd would sign off on you starting.

Normally I'd be all for staying quiet about exam results , but the fact that its in the actual contract has thrown me.

gandalf

If you start your career with these guys with a lie then you will be looking over your back for the whole time you are there. As the previous poster stated you should probably tell them and see how they take it. I'd start to look around and apply elsewhere as a precaution as well.

Destroyer Of Worlds

InReality wrote: »

How far off is the start date ? Have you any other interviews lined up ?

If its far away I'd be inclined to tell them you got a 2.2 rather than worrying about it for months.

A slightly crazy option , depending on how big their operation here is , would be to go directly to the Managing Director , and see if he'd would sign off on you starting.

Normally I'd be all for staying quiet about exam results , but the fact that its in the actual contract has thrown me.

Ah start date is the 20th of sept ish. So I could just start and get the head down show im a good worker. See the MD would have intereviewed about 100 other people so Im not sure if theyd remember I mean the interview was in Dec! If they could just go ahead and accept the 2.2 itd be great. Im just trying to figure out if this has happened to any one else!

InReality

Ah right well the MD would be out so

I'd say it happens all the time to be honest , and prob most people say nothing , at least in ireland.

Tarzana

Shít, I have repeats to do for a graduate dip in DCU, can I really only get a pass even if I do well? :-/

blindsider

This is a difficult situation - and, unfortunately, for the OP, well covered in law.

NB - I am NOT giving legal advice here - as you'll see from the link below, it's information that is freely available online.

There are specified grounds for 'Fair dismissal'

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/unemployment_and_redundancy/dismissal/fair_grounds_for_dismissal.html

Qualifications
Fair dismissal on grounds of qualifications can happen in two ways. One situation is where you misled your employer about qualifications you had when applying for the job. The other is where your employer made continued employment conditional upon your obtaining further qualifications and you failed to achieve this, having been given a reasonable opportunity to do so.


I believe that this is self-explanatory.

In my experience, a company will treat this seriously. They may consider precedents to be set etc etc

You may be able to convince them to accept you based on your actual qualification. One possibility might be to offer to take a Postgrad at your own expense etc within 12 months of starting - they might buy it.

The problem is that they have already disqualified (refused applications from, or, not interviewed) others who did not state 'expected 2:1' on the application form - so you will have had an 'unfair' advantage.

My only advice to you is to be honest and straight with your prospective employer - and try to find another way for them to accept you. Your reputation and integrity will remain intact and you would not face the possibility of being summarily dismissed.

I accept that you may feel eminently capable of doing the job even w/o a 2:1 - however, the employer is allowed to specify required standards and offer employment which is conditional upon such standards being attained.

blindsider

Tarzana wrote: »

Shít, I have repeats to do for a graduate dip in DCU, can I really only get a pass even if I do well? :-/

If you failed an exam at the 1st attempt, then normally, yes. You may want to confirm this with DCU.

yawhat!

Be honest, they hired you on your personality, not your results!

If it's I.T study for a MCSA in the mean time

redout

Bear in mind that some employers do ask for transcripts. Might be an idea to try and find out if this company is known to or not.

Dave_

Was in a very similar position 5 years ago. Grad program with a large company. Was on the border of 2:1 and 2:2 when I interviewed and I missed out on the 2:1

As far as I remember, the contract wasn't conditional, and the expected 2:1 was just a way of filtering out applicants, so if you were on the border, they didn't really mind.

How it ended up playing out was, I never brought it up and neither did they.

danthefan

If the employer is who I think it is they are going to ask for a transcript or possibly have already.

Tarzana

Dave_ wrote: »

Was in a very similar position 5 years ago. Grad program with a large company. Was on the border of 2:1 and 2:2 when I interviewed and I missed out on the 2:1

As far as I remember, the contract wasn't conditional, and the expected 2:1 was just a way of filtering out applicants, so if you were on the border, they didn't really mind.

How it ended up playing out was, I never brought it up and neither did they.

Was the 2.1 requirement on your contract though? Job specs are a bit more fluid.

Dave_

Without going back I can't say for sure, but I am pretty sure that the contract didn't have anything related to expected GPA in there.

Stheno

Dave_ wrote: »

Without going back I can't say for sure, but I am pretty sure that the contract didn't have anything related to expected GPA in there.

If it's who I think it is they may well look for a five year background including checking with the college independantly on results.

OP have you signed the contract and had confirmation all is good to go?

Or is it subject to reference checks etc, and did you sign anything allowing them to verify your results?

Destroyer Of Worlds

danthefan wrote: »

If the employer is who I think it is they are going to ask for a transcript or possibly have already.

pm who you think it is

Destroyer Of Worlds

Stheno wrote: »

If it's who I think it is they may well look for a five year background including checking with the college independantly on results.

OP have you signed the contract and had confirmation all is good to go?

Or is it subject to reference checks etc, and did you sign anything allowing them to verify your results?

I have everything signed and all is good to go. have start dates as well. deadline for the documents is the next two weeks but I sent in mine two weeks ago.

There are reference checks but only with past employer and a course director.