selling irish camper in france

mazzaru

hi there,
I was wondering if one of you lads knew about selling a vehicle abroad.
my irish camper won't go back to ireland I'd like to sell it in france but i don't know anything about it. It's been registered has a motor-home with the EU thing in 2012 category M1 for the revenue commissioners.
I'm gonna phone the motor tax office but if you have anything to say please feel free
cheers,

mazzaru

niloc1951

mazzaru wrote: »

hi there,
I was wondering if one of you lads knew about selling a vehicle abroad.
my irish camper won't go back to ireland I'd like to sell it in france but i don't know anything about it. It's been registered has a motor-home with the EU thing in 2012 category M1 for the revenue commissioners.
I'm gonna phone the motor tax office but if you have anything to say please feel free
cheers,

mazzaru

Your Irish Certificate of Registration (form RF101) is probably a work of fiction, like those issued to most of us :mad:.

To sell your vehicle abroad you will need its Certificate of Conformity, The CoC confirms that the vehicle is certified for use in Europe and contains its full specifications. Without this document no dealer will touch it and any private buyer will have difficulty getting it registered.

JonMac

Depending on its age, you probably paid a lot of VRT compared to a French reg camping car.
Would think you'd be better off selling it here than there.

mazzaru

it s a 1990 camper, it has been register type M1 in 2012 with that new Europe regulations on campers. I don't fancy bringing back the camper to Ireland, I m in the south of France ATM it s a lot of fuel to got back up to Roscoff.

so I need that COC right.. Where do I get that ?

what about the log book ? the Motor tax office has the form RF200 for change of owner, but it s only within Ireland. What do I do about it ?

thanks so much for your help lads, I'm a bit clueless I didn't think that situation would happen but it has to.
cheers

moodrater

mazzaru wrote: »

it s a 1990 camper, it has been register type M1 in 2012 with that new Europe regulations on campers. I don't fancy bringing back the camper to Ireland, I m in the south of France ATM it s a lot of fuel to got back up to Roscoff.

so I need that COC right.. Where do I get that ?

what about the log book ? the Motor tax office has the form RF200 for change of owner, but it s only within Ireland. What do I do about it ?

thanks so much for your help lads, I'm a bit clueless I didn't think that situation would happen but it has to.
cheers

How about advertising it here someone might be delighted to fly over and potter back. Our friend took 9 months to get a COC from ford to import his bog standard ford focus Estate from ireland to the UK. Bonkers!

niloc1951

moodrater wrote: »

How about advertising it here someone might be delighted to fly over and potter back. Our friend took 9 months to get a COC from ford to import his bog standard ford focus Estate from ireland to the UK. Bonkers!

I needed an Umweltplakette for my motorhome to be legal in Germany.
The logbook (cert of registration) issued by Shannon has errors and omissions which makes it unacceptable to the German authorities who administer the issuing of the discs and I was asked to provide the vehicles CoC in its place. How would I fair if I crossed paths with a cranky policeman who wanted to check my documents :eek:?

I was obliged to surrender the CoC which came with the vehicle to Revenue when first registering it here in Ireland and when I asked for it back it could not be found :mad:, a replacement document from the manufacturer cost me €120 :mad::mad:

moodrater

niloc1951 wrote: »

I needed an Umweltplakette for my motorhome to be legal in Germany.
The logbook (cert of registration) issued by Shannon has errors and omissions which makes it unacceptable to the German authorities who administer the issuing of the discs and I was asked to provide the vehicles CoC in its place. How would I fair if I crossed paths with a cranky policeman who wanted to check my documents :eek:?

I was obliged to surrender the CoC which came with the vehicle to Revenue when first registering it here in Ireland and when I asked for it back it could not be found :mad:, a replacement document from the manufacturer cost me €120 :mad::mad:

My logbook is a joke too, I plan on playing dumkopf

killalanerr

moodrater wrote: »

My logbook is a joke too, I plan on playing dumkopf

Mine logbook a work of fiction also,DOE guys told me i was very near my limit,it is well documented that my van has a payload of 1ton and it had no where near that on board at the time .
I wonder what would the out come be if you were stopped when overseas and what is the procedure to have it corrected
Sorry op for the hijack this might be a subject for a new thread

pastense

My logbook has no figures for weight at all but its got a plate in the engine bay at 3850kg, so at the DOE I pointed this out and now my new cert for the windscreen says 3850KGs.
Unladen at the test it weighed 3100 approx and that should give me enough with some to spare and I have a C1, so at least if I am stopped somewhere I can point to the cert on the windscreen.
Hope this info is helpful.

niloc1951

killalanerr wrote: »

Mine logbook a work of fiction also,DOE guys told me i was very near my limit,it is well documented that my van has a payload of 1ton and it had no where near that on board at the time .
I wonder what would the out come be if you were stopped when overseas and what is the procedure to have it corrected
Sorry op for the hijack this might be a subject for a new thread

Hi mod, perhaps we do need a need thread

The work of fiction issued by Shannon is OK here at home, no one seems to care or make use of it.

However, in Europe many countries have road pricing (tolls) which vary depending on vehicle GVW and a vehicles registration document must be produced to the authority managing the toll so they can apply the correct price structure. A registration document without the required vital statistics will cause problems which could include denial of access to the tolled roads .

Similar issues can arise in relation to access to cities and town where access is determined according to the emissions of the vehicle which should be noted at (V.7) on our document .

I have in my possession a Registration Certificate with no less than eight errors and omissions, one of which is the number of seats (number people which can legally travel in the vehicle) :eek:.

moodrater

niloc1951 wrote: »

Hi mod, perhaps we do need a need thread

The work of fiction issued by Shannon is OK here at home, no one seems to care or make use of it.

However, in Europe many countries have road pricing (tolls) which vary depending on vehicle GVW and a vehicles registration document must be produced to the authority managing the toll so they can apply the correct price structure. A registration document without the required vital statistics will cause problems which could include denial of access to the tolled roads .

Similar issues can arise in relation to access to cities and town where access is determined according to the emissions of the vehicle which should be noted at (V.7) on our document .

I have in my possession a Registration Certificate with no less than eight errors and omissions, one of which is the number of seats (number people which can legally travel in the vehicle) :eek:.

Both my vans have wrong number of seats one is 3 instead of 5 other is 8 instead of 7. I gave up trying to get it fixed. CVRT are no better. Despite 3 phonecalls to cvrt and an email with scans of all documents and two certs issued I still have a cvrt cert that says N1 instead of M1.

CelticRambler

If you're going to be in France for a while yet, I'd recommend advertising on www.leboncoin.fr Put your ad in English and make it clear that you're selling the vehicle as-is, where-is, but it's technically an Irish sale. There are quite a few English people that check that site and who are familiar with the import and re-registration process. You never know. There are a lot of scammers on the site, so you'll need to provide some kind of reassurance that you're not yet another one.

The alternative is, as was suggested above, to sell or rent it to someone who wants to do a one-way trip. This is something that's done all the time now by just about all the major rental companies. There's a website (sorry, can't think of the name at the moment) where you literally pay 1€ for the rental and take their car from wherever it is to wherever it's supposed to be. They give you about three days to do the trip and you pay whatever fuel and tolls are involved. Obviously that's a fairly specialised service, but the demand is there if you can tap into it.

niloc1951

moodrater wrote: »

Both my vans have wrong number of seats one is 3 instead of 5 other is 8 instead of 7. I gave up trying to get it fixed. CVRT are no better. Despite 3 phonecalls to cvrt and an email with scans of all documents and two certs issued I still have a cvrt cert that says N1 instead of M1.

So, if you're involved in an accident or stopped by a policeman with 4 or 5 people in your motorhome going on the basis of what is on the vehicles Certificate of Registration or the NVDF (National Driver and Driver File) your are technically carrying more people that the vehicle is certified for
I wonder what the offence is and what the view of an insurance company would be.

If it's any consulation, a friend of mine has a 131 reg. motorhome with EU Category M2 (minibus) and with 2 seats at (S.1) on his RF101 :rolleyes:. So it's a minibus with two seats
The vehicle in question is a motorhome manufactured and put on the market with 6 official belted travel seats

In my opinion Minister Varadkar should also direct his attention in the direction of his own people administering the NVDF in Shannon are Not Fit For Purpose also.

mazzaru

I did put the ad on leboncoin and explained that it is an Irish camper. Got a few emails ATM. My main question, before this thread went off topic, was that where should I send the logbook and is the logbook will be send to the new owner in france ?

guys please I'm not talking about the logbook itself here, please start a new conversation, this is about selling an irish camper abroad what would be the procedure for the irish seller to do it right.

thanks everyone.

CelticRambler

You treat the transaction as if it took place in Ireland, right up to the point of informing the Irish authorities that you have sold the vehicle. The purchaser becomes responsible for it from that point onwards and the simplest thing would be for them to use an address in Ireland (family/friends if they haven't got one of their own) before they get involved in the export process.

Be aware that there's a limit on cash-only transactions in France: anything over 3000€ is illegal, so you need to make it quite clear to your purchaser(s) that everything you do is being done under "Irish jurisdiction" and that's why they must/should have an Irish address. What they actually do after the purchase is not your problem - just make sure you've declared it sold.

*Kol*

mazzaru wrote: »

I did put the ad on leboncoin and explained that it is an Irish camper. Got a few emails ATM. My main question, before this thread went off topic, was that where should I send the logbook and is the logbook will be send to the new owner in france ?

guys please I'm not talking about the logbook itself here, please start a new conversation, this is about selling an irish camper abroad what would be the procedure for the irish seller to do it right.

thanks everyone.

Would you not be better off bringing it home and selling it here? I know you said you were reluctant to spend the money to bring it home (probably about €1,000). How much do expect to get for it? If more than €1,000 then I would bring it back here. If not then it's unlikely that anybody would go to the trouble of importing and re-registering a 24 year old camper-van.

TBH the best thing you could do is fill it with wine and bring it back here!!

JonMac

1000 euro seems high. Stena [was Celtic Link} from Cherbourg isn't that high.

*Kol*

JonMac wrote: »

1000 euro seems high. Stena [was Celtic Link} from Cherbourg isn't that high.

Diesel from south of France would be required. Approx €1k total for the journey home.