Cork v Kerry - Munster Football Final

RoyalCelt

Cork vs. Kerry Munster GAA Football Senior Championship 2014 Final Sunday July 6th 2.00 PM.

Last years final was played in Killarney in front of 36,000 supporters. If it's true these teams do a home and away agreement then this will be played in Cork and the attendance there is rumored to have been reduced to 34k. So a potential sell out and fans missing out.

Can anyone confirm where the final will be played and what H&S deem allowable into the pairc?

Fr Tod Umptious

It will be in Cork, no idea about the capacity though.

On the game itself I'd give Cork the slight advantage, it being in Cork being a big factor in that.

Both teams have been forced to introduce a lot of new players this year and its hard to judge where each is at.

The winner is likely to get to the semi final as they play the Connaught loser or an A side qualifier in the QF, and the A side qualifiers are now even weaker with the loss of Derry.

The loser plays the Connaught champion if they get past the A side qualifier, so their season could be over at the quarter final stage if its Mayo they come up against.

KrustyUCC

no worry about capacity as kerry supporters don't travel

will be nowhere near sell out

you get greater attendance in killarney due to 1 more kerry supporters and 2 cork "supporters" on weekend away

RoyalCelt

KrustyUCC wrote: »

no worry about capacity as kerry supporters don't travel

will be nowhere near sell out

you get greater attendance in killarney due to 1 more kerry supporters and 2 cork "supporters" on weekend away

lol you're gas. yeah i know they don't travel but in it's weird the way cork travel to kerry numbers than they do to cork.

Figsy32

RoyalCelt wrote: »

lol you're gas. yeah i know they don't travel but in it's weird the way cork travel to kerry numbers than they do to cork.

It actually makes a lot of sense. West Cork is the football stronghold in the county.

Killarney would be a lot closer and handier to get at for many than PUC would be.

Gary Neville

Figsy32 wrote: »

It actually makes a lot of sense. West Cork is the football stronghold in the county.

Killarney would be a lot closer and handier to get at for many than PUC would be.

Very true. Also a lot of Cork Supporters love the pre and post match atmosphere in Killarney - you don't have he same thing in Cork.

I can see this being a small crowd unless the media push the sentimental/nostalgia angle. Even with this, it'll be hard to muster up much enthusiasm IMO - Kerry aren't excited about their side and with so much hurling and expense, many Cork people will opt for tv viewing.

McStay mentioned 40K in TSG - more like 20 or 25K IMO.

It's shaping up to be a fascinating encounter though.

Kerry and Cork both have massive problems and it's not just the usual Yerra from over the county bounds.

Kerry :- Moran only lasted 20 minutes - had an injured knee. Maher was poor again and is struggling for form (playing Cork could be the incentive he needs) Darren O Sullivan has missed a lot of training and was subbed at HT. Declan O Sullivan had a heavily strapped knee. JOD has missed a month. Marc O Se is not the player of old. Kerry have shrewd management and usually get it right for Cork but definately look weaker than usual.

Cork :- A keeper that can't kick accurately. Very unsettled defence, chopping and changing 3 and 6. Weak MF. 4 forwards subbed. Dual players missed most of the last 2 months. Cork should have lost by 6/7 points to Tipp.

Results show that league form can be largely discounted and it looks a real 50/50 clash to me.

ciarriaithuaidh

Have to agree with previous posters there..won't be more than 25k at the final I'd say.
Kerry and Cork both struggling to find their form and best 15 right now. Would still make Cork slight favourites given JOD's absence and home advantage but right now both teams are miles off the pace of the likes of Dublin or even Donegal and I would suggest both need to up it big time.

Boom__Boom

KrustyUCC wrote: »

no worry about capacity as kerry supporters don't travel

will be nowhere near sell out

you get greater attendance in killarney due to 1 more kerry supporters and 2 cork "supporters" on weekend away

4000 at the Cork game Saturday night so I think it's fair to say that even Cork fans have little interest in going to PUC

RoyalCelt wrote: »

yeah i know they don't travel but in it's weird the way cork travel to kerry numbers than they do to cork.

not really - between the seats that even the midget community will tell you are disgracefully cramped, the horrible location of the stadium and the catacomb like tunnels it's amazing anyone bothers to go to any game in PUC

Boom__Boom

Gary Neville wrote: »

It's shaping up to be a fascinating encounter though.

Kerry and Cork both have massive problems and it's not just the usual Yerra from over the county bounds.

Kerry :- Moran only lasted 20 minutes - had an injured knee. Maher was poor again and is struggling for form (playing Cork could be the incentive he needs) Darren O Sullivan has missed a lot of training and was subbed at HT. Declan O Sullivan had a heavily strapped knee. JOD has missed a month. Marc O Se is not the player of old. Kerry have shrewd management and usually get it right for Cork but definately look weaker than usual.

Cork :- A keeper that can't kick accurately. Very unsettled defence, chopping and changing 3 and 6. Weak MF. 4 forwards subbed. Dual players missed most of the last 2 months. Cork should have lost by 6/7 points to Tipp.

Results show that league form can be largely discounted and it looks a real 50/50 clash to me.

I suppose this is the nearest I will get to an apology ?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90917274&postcount=2158

Also I will point out in case anyone missed it that the Kerry Juniors won by 2-12 to 0-7 with all but 1 of Clare's scores coming from frees and the score they got from play was in the 69th minute.

Gary Neville

Boom__Boom wrote: »

I suppose this is the nearest I will get to an apology ?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90917274&postcount=2158

Also I will point out in case anyone missed it that the Kerry Juniors won by 2-12 to 0-7 with all but 1 of Clare's scores coming from frees and the score they got from play was in the 69th minute.

A bit of tongue in cheek from me, there, Boom_Boom - I wasn't really going to ask you to change your user name to Doom_Doom Apologies extended.

We need a few Kerry lads to be missing to give us any chance but it's terrible for everyone for Cooper to miss one of his remaining years - Moran has had desperate luck with injuries and it's continuing this season - strange that he was started.

Darren Sull is also going through the wringer - Hip op followed by a hamstring tear - he terrorises defenders when he's 100% and is a massive loss when he's not.

Maher's confidence must be drained but he has a great record v Cork - tough decisions for E Fitz re MF.

JOD will surely start v Cork but it's impossible to know how match fit he'll be.

Should be close but Cork will not want to be the last team to lose in PUC to Kerry and have a far greater incentive to avoid the qualifiers with the dual problem. Cork to just shade it.

Boom__Boom

Gary Neville wrote: »

A bit of tongue in cheek from me, there, Boom_Boom - I wasn't really going to ask you to change your user name to Doom_Doom Apologies extended.

Fair enough

Gary Neville wrote: »

We need a few Kerry lads to be missing to give us any chance but it's terrible for everyone for Cooper to miss one of his remaining years - Moran has had desperate luck with injuries and it's continuing this season - strange that he was started.

Darren Sull is also going through the wringer - Hip op followed by a hamstring tear - he terrorises defenders when he's 100% and is a massive loss when he's not.

Maher's confidence must be drained but he has a great record v Cork - tough decisions for E Fitz re MF.

JOD will surely start v Cork but it's impossible to know how match fit he'll be.

Should be close but Cork will not want to be the last team to lose in PUC to Kerry and have a far greater incentive to avoid the qualifiers with the dual problem. Cork to just shade it.

Really hard to predict how things will go the next day - lots of question marks over both sides. I presume yesterday will spell the end of the Paddy Kelly in the half-back line. From a Kerry point of view it's a shame, but the fact that management thought it was a realistic option to have him centre-back would make you wonder if they have any notion of how the game is played.

Can't help think that the black card has come too late for Darren - the cumulative effect of all the hits and all the knocks are surely what's at the root of all his injury problems imo

There is the view in Kerry that some games in the qualifiers wouldnt be the worst outcome in the world to help bring on the newer lads but as against that with so many not fully fit lads it would surely reduce our odds of bringing Sam home further. The fact that our subs contribution was 1 point is a sign of where we are in terms of options off the bench.

Fr Tod Umptious

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Fair enough



Really hard to predict how things will go the next day - lots of question marks over both sides. I presume yesterday will spell the end of the Paddy Kelly in the half-back line. From a Kerry point of view it's a shame, but the fact that management thought it was a realistic option to have him centre-back would make you wonder if they have any notion of how the game is played.

Can't help think that the black card has come too late for Darren - the cumulative effect of all the hits and all the knocks are surely what's at the root of all his injury problems imo

There is the view in Kerry that some games in the qualifiers wouldnt be the worst outcome in the world to help bring on the newer lads but as against that with so many not fully fit lads it would surely reduce our odds of bringing Sam home further. The fact that our subs contribution was 1 point is a sign of where we are in terms of options off the bench.

Bit of a double edged sword that

If Kerry lost yesterday they would have gone into Rnd 2 of the B side of the qualifiers, which means that they would have had to beat three of the following teams to get to a QF v the Leinster or Ulster champions
Tyrone, Down, Armagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Waterford, Leitrim, Roscommon, Westmeath, Louth, Kildare, Carlow, Meath
That would be a very tough ask for a depleted squad, but at the same time would give guys some great championship experience

If they lose the Munster final then they play one of Antrim, Tipperary, Limerick, Sligo, Wicklow, Laois, Longford, Wexford, and if they win that, play the Connaught champion in the QF
Only one extra game to give guys experience, but on paper a far easier route to a QF

Boom__Boom

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Bit of a double edged sword that

If they lose the Munster final then they play one of Antrim, Tipperary, Limerick, Sligo, Wicklow, Laois, Longford, Wexford, and if they win that, play the Connaught champion in the QF
Only one extra game to give guys experience, but on paper a far easier route to a QF

It was more with the Cork game in mind rather than the Clare game - a bit of lads looking at silver linings before the clouds are even over the horizon imo.

Anyway I doubt that management are thinking like this and with both Aidan and Paul from Rathmore likely to feature, there won't be any lack of hunger to beat Cork on the pitch.

Gary Neville

Saturday's game threw up as many questions as answers.

Here's the 15 I'd start with the next day :-

Hanrahan, Clon Tom, Shields, Galvin, Loughrey, Cadogan, Cahalane, AW, Goold, Barry O Driscoll, Kelly, Kerrigan, Colm O Driscoll, Hurley, Colm O Neill

Some serious risks here - haven't seen much of Hanrahan but he simply has to be much better than Ken at kick-outs. I went for Cadogan at 6 as we need a solid spine and Cadogan is a leader. We haven't seen much of Cahalane this year but he looks fit and well and he's a fine footballer. I don't know how Fermoy Tom is going. I'm going for Clon Tom in the corner but that was a hard call.

I can't see any better options at MF. Barry O D worked very hard and a HF needs this in the modern game. Kelly would need to move the ball far quicker than he's used to. I'd have Kerrigan because Kerry are vulnerable when you run at them. I'd play Colm O D in the middle to collect dirty ball and link.

I found it very hard to leave out O Rourke Hayes and Collins but I'd have my forwards running like mad from the go and be bringing on subs at HT or soon after. I'd say we'll have a much stronger bench and I'd expect that to swing it for us.

keano25

Got tickets for the covered stand this morning.

Where's seats 171 and 172??

It's always been marked A-L before.

menace404

keano25 wrote: »

Got tickets for the covered stand this morning.

Where's seats 171 and 172??

It's always been marked A-L before.

It should say the section number on the Stand part (ie) you should have COVA, COVB, COVC, COVD, COVE etc etc for section A through to L somewhere on your ticket. The 171 and 172 is your row and seat number....so you are in row 1 seats 71 and 72.