Best 1.0 ecoboost that's actually for sale yet ?

Bigus

Nice version of the Fiesta here
"We liked the Fiesta Zetec S 1.6 at Autocar. We ran one for a year and, absence of a 6th gear aside, found it a delight to spend serious amounts of time in, with a deft blend of ride and handling. A Mountune kit gave that 1.6 Fiesta a full 138bhp. Now, the new 1.0 makes the same as standard."

"Sure. It’s fun, engaging, and at 104g/km and 62.8mpg, pretty sensible "

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/ford/fiesta/first-drives/ford-fiesta-red-and-black-editions-first-drive-review

Jesus.

That's very good for that car. Well done Ford.

As long as they don't go and do something ridiculous like putting that engine in a Mondeo...

wildefalcon

I must say I do rather like the look of the new fiesta, in my mind one of the better looking cars, of any size.

Mycroft H

Still has the grille of an Aston Martin. Nice car otherwise

Henry Ford III

A Fiesta ST2 is a tempting car.......

Bigus

Henry Ford III wrote: »

A Fiesta ST2 is a tempting car.......

Absolutely but this suits the irish market very well, being 104 co2 and 62 mpg and quicker then a mk1 Golf GTI 1800 !

Dartz

I wonder what'd happen if you put that engine in a motorcycle frame - a setup similar to the older BMW K-series engines. And wound the boost up a bit....

Henry Ford III

I hope they import it in a decent spec - Zetec S would be ideal. 1.0T with 140bhp and vrt/tax friendly emmissions. Price it reasonably and it'll sell.

I had a new 1.6 Zetec S in 2009 which had 120bhp and was still a hoot to drive.

dar83

The new Zetec S Red and Black editions look really nice. Gonna try and convince the girlfriend she needs one.


Just have to hope Ford Ireland actually look to sell them here... (I have already asked them, awaiting a response)

Leonard Hofstadter

Well considering that the only 1.0 Fiesta Ecoboost sold in Ireland so far is with an automatic (powershift), I wouldn't be getting my hopes up. There is feck all demand for fast cars in Ireland and the few brave souls who buy them want the fastest version, which in the Fiesta's case is of course the ST. It's different in countries like the UK, where there is a big market for warm and hot hatchbacks.

Henry Ford III

captainspeed wrote: »

Well considering that the only 1.0 Fiesta Ecoboost sold in Ireland so far is with an automatic (powershift), I wouldn't be getting my hopes up. There is feck all demand for fast cars in Ireland and the few brave souls who buy them want the fastest version, which in the Fiesta's case is of course the ST. It's different in countries like the UK, where there is a big market for warm and hot hatchbacks.

Just checked the website - you can infact buy a Fiesta Zetec S 1.0T with 120bhp in Ireland - €21290 ex works.

wonski

Jesus. wrote: »

That's very good for that car. Well done Ford.

As long as they don't go and do something ridiculous like putting that engine in a Mondeo...

http://www.ford.co.uk/FordFleet/NewsAndReviews/FordForBusiness/2012/September/Next-Generation-Mondeo

Time will tell;)

Jesus.

When are they bringing it out? I can see Irish folk opting for the 1L in their droves

jimgoose

Cool little thing. The nose looks a bit "Aston Martin" as well. :cool:

Moneymaker

I test drove the 1L Fiesta ecoboost. I really liked it. Smooth and more then adequate for day to day motoring.

Never thought i'd see the day where a 1L is pleasant to drive. Kudos Ford.

Henry Ford III

Moneymaker wrote: »

I test drove the 1L Fiesta ecoboost. I really liked it. Smooth and more then adequate for day to day motoring.

Never thought i'd see the day where a 1L is pleasant to drive. Kudos Ford.

Chances are you drove a low powered version - 65bhp.

Imagine a sportier package with 125 or even 140bhp. That'd actually be a lot of fun.

Moneymaker

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Chances are you drove a low powered version - 65bhp.

Imagine a sportier package with 125 or even 140bhp. That'd actually be a lot of fun.

I think so, and you'd think it's underpowered. It's not at all and it's every bit as good around corners as all the previous Fiestas. Great car.

Henry Ford III

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/fiesta/87479/ford-fiesta-black-edition-review

Omens are good. I did a bit of web surfing last night however and there's a strange anomoly
between UK and Irish prices between the 1.0T Zetec S (and the Red/Black Editions) and the 1.6T ST. All the following are entry level prices.

In the UK a Zetec S costs £15,495, a Black/Red Edition £15,995, and an ST £17250.

In Ireland a Zetec S costs €21,290, there's no price yet for the Red/Black Editions but an ST costs €26140.

So the difference between a Zetec S and an ST is £1755. The difference here is €4850.

I realise there may be spec. differences but it's still a sizeable amount. So is the ST overpriced here or is the Zetec S a wee bit of a bargain?

Maybe it's a VRT/Vat thing?

ianobrien

The difference in price is probably a VRT thing due to the low co2 from the 1.0.

I'm currently in a quandry over these two cars, which to order. The Zetec-S would be cheaper to run (fuel, insurance, etc) and cheaper to buy. Servicing would probably be equal except for tyres on the ST. The ST would have more "go" obviously but the Zetec-S would probably be more fun at legal speeds.

Also, I reckon the Zetec-S would be rarer than the ST and probably manage the higher mileage that I would be keeping the car for.

Edit - That's assuming that the ol' Almera dies shortly (I will only change if it dies). It'll probably last another 10 years just to spite me!

Henry Ford III

ST is very rapid indeed. 200bhp on overboost in a smallish car.

The only downside in the real world is just how hard it's suspension is. Trouble is you'll be hard pushed to get a test drive in one.

Bigus

Henry Ford III wrote: »

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/fiesta/87479/ford-fiesta-black-edition-review

Omens are good. I did a bit of web surfing last night however and there's a strange anomoly
between UK and Irish prices between the 1.0T Zetec S (and the Red/Black Editions) and the 1.6T ST. All the following are entry level prices.

In the UK a Zetec S costs £15,495, a Black/Red Edition £15,995, and an ST £17250.

In Ireland a Zetec S costs €21,290, there's no price yet for the Red/Black Editions but an ST costs €26140.

So the difference between a Zetec S and an ST is £1755. The difference here is €4850.

I realise there may be spec. differences but it's still a sizeable amount. So is the ST overpriced here or is the Zetec S a wee bit of a bargain?

Maybe it's a VRT/Vat thing?

That's why I posted it in the first place as being suitable for Ireland ,it's very tax efficient both VRT wise and annually.

It's a bit like why even an Irish millionaire wouldn't consider buying any 5 series BMW , other than a 520 D, they're fierce tax efficient for irish market and consequently one of the best sellers.

Resale on the S will be very good here too, and some people might even get lucky insuring it as a 1.0 L with some old fashioned insurance rules.

However I'd prefer a less loud colour scheme and would even consider black wrap over the red highlights on the black Fiesta.

Could this be boardsies best/cleverest new car buy of the year ?

Rippy

Dartz wrote: »

I wonder what'd happen if you put that engine in a motorcycle frame - a setup similar to the older BMW K-series engines. And wound the boost up a bit....

As long As the engine is suitably light and compact (probably is) I reckon it would be brilliant . 140bhp + with plenty of torque and surely if it can get over 60mpg in a car , 80-90mpg in a bike .
Most bikes are horribly fuel inefficient .

The Dagda

Rippy wrote: »

Most bikes are horribly fuel inefficient .

Huh?!!

Even a GSXR 1000 will do around 40mpg. Bikes are very efficient.

dar83

I have actually considered the possibility of letting the Focus go and instead get a Zetec-S Red/Black Edition. The downside of buying a brand new car would be offset largely by the savings I'd make in the running costs (2k annually for the Focus to be on the road alone). Yes there would be depreciation but the residual costs of the Zetec-S would probably be quite high and if I kept it 3 years and then shifted it on I'd probably not actually lose any money compared to if I keep the Focus another 3 years.

Hmmmm....

Jesus.

The Dagda wrote: »

Huh?!!

Even a GSXR 1000 will do around 40mpg. Bikes are very efficient.

I don't know anything about bikes but that does sound very thirsty to me. I just assumed a vehicle that weighs much less than a car should get considerably better fuel economy.

Henry Ford III

Jesus. wrote: »

I don't know anything about bikes but that does sound very thirsty to me. I just assumed a vehicle that weighs much less than a car should get considerably better fuel economy.

Most bikes are poor aerodynamically.

A powerful one like a GSXR1000 will provide pretty shattering performance though. 0-60mph in under 3 seconds as stock.

The Dagda

Jesus. wrote: »

I don't know anything about bikes but that does sound very thirsty to me. I just assumed a vehicle that weighs much less than a car should get considerably better fuel economy.

The GSXR1000 is a superbike built purely for performance and it still gets 40mpg in everyday driving. A standard commuter bike would 60-80mpg easily. Bikes are very efficient

Henry Ford III

This engine continues to shine.

wildefalcon

The Dagda wrote: »

The GSXR1000 is a superbike built purely for performance and it still gets 40mpg in everyday driving. A standard commuter bike would 60-80mpg easily. Bikes are very efficient

I know what you are saying, but compared to a large car, capable of holding 5 people and their luggage in dry comfort, that mpg isn't all that great. My barge will do 40 mpg at 90 mph for 5 hours non-stop with the family and all the crap we bring on holiday with us.

You'd think a decent bike would be able to do more than twice that, though the absence of diesel engines and hybrids would narrow the options, I suppose.

Henry Ford III

wildefalcon wrote: »

I know what you are saying, but compared to a large car, capable of holding 5 people and their luggage in dry comfort, that mpg isn't all that great. My barge will do 40 mpg at 90 mph for 5 hours non-stop with the family and all the crap we bring on holiday with us.

You'd think a decent bike would be able to do more than twice that, though the absence of diesel engines and hybrids would narrow the options, I suppose.

Your car won't do almost 200mph or 0-60mph in under 3 seconds though. A hypercar will get near this performance but will use more than double the fuel.

Horses for courses.

wildefalcon

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Your car won't do almost 200mph or 0-60mph in under 3 seconds though. A hypercar will get near this performance but will use more than double the fuel.

Horses for courses.

Ah, yes, I agree, (Tesla cars excepted) it's just that I thought with all the improvements in economy in cars that bikes would be keeping pace.

I'm sure that bikes used to beat cars in MPG years ago, and I'm just surprised that bikes aren't doing a regular 120mpg at the mo, is all.

Henry Ford III

wildefalcon wrote: »

Ah, yes, I agree, (Tesla cars excepted) it's just that I thought with all the improvements in economy in cars that bikes would be keeping pace.

I'm sure that bikes used to beat cars in MPG years ago, and I'm just surprised that bikes aren't doing a regular 120mpg at the mo, is all.

Some do.

Henry Ford III

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I hope they import it in a decent spec - Zetec S would be ideal. 1.0T with 140bhp and vrt/tax friendly emmissions. Price it reasonably and it'll sell.....

Model still not lsited on Ford's Irish website.

My local dealer is asking Ford will they import a few as "special" orders.......