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How do I verify employees pps number?

  • 18-06-2014 9:45am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 393 ✭✭


    Is there anyway to verify an employees pps number? I want to know whether it belongs to them or not.

    I've heard rumours of (foreign) workers working under friends pps numbers. Does their name have to correspond with the pps number or is it possible for them to use a different pps number while still using their own name?

    Thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭Bandara


    Is there anyway to verify an employees pps number? I want to know whether it belongs to them or not.

    I've heard rumours of (foreign) workers working under friends pps numbers. Does their name have to correspond with the pps number or is it possible for them to use a different pps number while still using their own name?

    Thanks

    Why is it any concern of yours ?

    Your not an employer.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    From http://www.revenue.ie/en/business/paye/guide/employers-guide-paye-recommencing.html#section3

    3. Personal public service numbers

    The Personal Public Service number is an individual's unique reference number and is issued by the Department of Social Protection. It is used for a wide variety of public services, such as Social Welfare, Revenue, Public Health care and Education.

    On commencement of employment, the employer must take reasonable measures to verify that the PPS number provided is a valid one and that it refers to the employee who provided it. The employer will be regarded as having taken reasonable measures where they check the PPS number provided against any of the following documents:

    A tax credit certificate from a previous employment
    A form P45
    A Social Welfare services card or PPSN registration letter issued by the Department of Social Protection
    A notice of assessment to income tax or capital gains tax
    A form P21 Balancing Statement
    A form P60
    Any other item of correspondence from Revenue which specifically quotes the PPS number
    A pay slip from a previous employer which shows the PPS number


    The above is for Employers, if you're not the individuals employer then I doubt you have any right to check.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 393 ✭✭Young Blood


    Graham wrote: »
    3. Personal public service numbers

    The Personal Public Service number is an individual's unique reference number and is issued by the Department of Social Protection. It is used for a wide variety of public services, such as Social Welfare, Revenue, Public Health care and Education.

    On commencement of employment, the employer must take reasonable measures to verify that the PPS number provided is a valid one and that it refers to the employee who provided it. The employer will be regarded as having taken reasonable measures where they check the PPS number provided against any of the following documents:

    A tax credit certificate from a previous employment
    A form P45
    A Social Welfare services card or PPSN registration letter issued by the Department of Social Protection
    A notice of assessment to income tax or capital gains tax
    A form P21 Balancing Statement
    A form P60
    Any other item of correspondence from Revenue which specifically quotes the PPS number
    A pay slip from a previous employer which shows the PPS number


    The above is for Employers, if you're not the individuals employer then I doubt you have any right to check.

    Thanks for that Graham.

    That's interesting enough. I was just curious to know how the system worked. It seems to be the case that a worker could work under some one else's pps number without the revenue or employer knowing if they took the right fraudulent and preventative measure.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Thanks for that Graham.

    That's interesting enough. I was just curious to know how the system worked. It seems to be the case that a worker could work under some one else's pps number without the revenue or employer knowing if they took the right fraudulent and preventative measure.

    True, although if the real owner of the PPS number was already paying PAYE the fraudulent worker would probably find himself being taxed at full whack on every penny he worked for.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Graham wrote: »
    True, although if the real owner of the PPS number was already paying PAYE the fraudulent worker would probably find himself being taxed at full whack on every penny he worked for.

    The fun really starts then 4 or 5 of your Polish employees all use the same bank account, and that employee does a runner...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭dbran


    Graham wrote: »
    True, although if the real owner of the PPS number was already paying PAYE the fraudulent worker would probably find himself being taxed at full whack on every penny he worked for.

    Who's to say they are working! A few years ago there were cases where the PPS numbers were being sold complete with DSP benifits.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Mick Murdock


    What's the benefit of using someone elses pps number if you're an EU national? Is it dole related?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭dbran


    Yes and Tax refunds also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭wellieboot


    Ask if the employee has the new Public Services Card complete with photo and signature. The old one should have a signature also.


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