Livestock trailer to suit VW caddy?

just_did_it

I have a 2007 vw caddy 1.9 tdi, I am just wondering would it be worth purchasing a 8 x 5 or a 10 x 5 livestock trailer to suit a caddy,

Anyone have any idea what these trailer weight and how many 350kg Weanlings could possibly fit in a 8 x 5 or 10 x 5 trailer?

Muckit

just_did_it wrote: »

I have a 2007 vw caddy 1.9 tdi, I am just wondering would it be worth purchasing a 8 x 5 or a 10 x 5 livestock trailer to suit a caddy,

Anyone have any idea what these trailer weight and how many 350kg Weanlings could possibly fit in a 8 x 5 or 10 x 5 trailer?

8 x5 is your trailer. Don't dream of anything bigger unless you want to pull the a*se off it. You will fit 4 350kgs easily in it and could even get 5 <300kg weanlings in it. Lovely tidy trailer all tucked in behind you. I think puds pulls an 8x5 behind a van. I have one behind a 2.5 pajero and wouldn't dream of going bigger with trailer.

just_did_it

Muckit wrote: »

8 x5 is your trailer. Don't dream of anything bigger unless you want to pull the a*se off it. You will fit 4 350kgs easily in it and could even get 5 <300kg weanlings in it. Lovely tidy trailer all tucked in behind you. I think puds pulls an 8x5 behind a van. I have one behind a 2.5 pajero and wouldn't dream of going bigger with trailer.

Thanks muckit,

I'll have to keep an eye on donedeal now ;-)

Muckit

Bring the tape with you and make sure it's the full 5' and not 4'7"

Farmer Pudsey

What is the caddy rated to pull. Some of the earlier caddy's had a towing capacity of 1.7/1.8Tons newer ones only 1,4 I think. 8X5 is all you will legally be able to tow.

just_did_it

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

What is the caddy rated to pull. Some of the earlier caddy's had a towing capacity of 1.7/1.8Tons newer ones only 1,4 I think. 8X5 is all you will legally be able to tow.

1500 kg per Parkers.co.uk

So say trailer weights 600kg, I have 900kg left so roughly 3, 300kg Weanlings I could legally tow?

hallo dare

Is there a law in place where a twin axle can only be pulled by a jeep (4x4) and not just an ordinary car/van?

Farmer Pudsey

hallo dare wrote: »

Is there a law in place where a twin axle can only be pulled by a jeep (4x4) and not just an ordinary car/van?

Not that I know about. I think you are no longer supposed to tow with ordinary car. All vans have a towing capacity. I know that there is no issue with mid sized vans so presume taht there is no issue with small vans.

ganmo

the law is that the pulling car must be above a certain length or 4x4

Chiorino

ganmo wrote: »

the law is that the pulling car must be above a certain length or 4x4

Rubbish, length and 4x4 have nothing to do with it. Its down to the towing capacity, plain and simple. Getting a bit fed up with all these old theories being quoted as law.

_Brian

Chiorino wrote: »

Rubbish, length and 4x4 have nothing to do with it. Its down to the towing capacity, plain and simple. Getting a bit fed up with all these old theories being quoted as law.

Agree.
With a regular licence there are a few rules to obey.
Don't go byond the towing vehicle capacity.
Don't go byond 3500kg combined gross train weight
Trailer to be breaked
Safety chain or automatic breaking device in the event of a decoupling.
Lights & number plate.

Twin axle makes no difference but where it will have an effect is design gross train weight. Twin axle trailers are heavier and designed to carry more. This eats into the 3500kg leaving less for the towing vehicle.

Farmer Pudsey

Found this on the net it is the UK rules as thses rules are pan European I imagine that ours are fairly similar. However in good old Irelan the NRA or other government bodies do not have these as handy to access.

https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car/car-trailer-practical-test

ganmo

Chiorino wrote: »

Rubbish, length and 4x4 have nothing to do with it. Its down to the towing capacity, plain and simple. Getting a bit fed up with all these old theories being quoted as law.

I can't find where I read it but it was when I was applying for the trailer test and it could only apply to the car you were driving for the test.

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Licensed-Drivers/Driving-licence/Cars-and-Trailers/
Irish info

Farmer Pudsey

ganmo wrote: »

I can't find where I read it but it was when I was applying for the trailer test and it could only apply to the car you were driving for the test.

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Licensed-Drivers/Driving-licence/Cars-and-Trailers/
Irish info

I came across that however it is hard to sort wheat from chaff. The UK site give clear details. For instance it explains that you a B licience covers you to 750kgs while above that you need a B+E licience. It goes so far as to explain that it is not illegal to town a 4 wheel drailer with a B licience but that the 4W trailers are heavier thyan 2W and it is easier tio exceed 750kg limit. Clear unambigious no excuses.

It explains that those with liciences from 1/1/97- 2013 to the 19/1/13 can tow up to 3.5Tons combined car and trailer on an ordibary B licience. Agail clear and unambigious. try to decipher that from the NRA site.

Oldtree

ganmo wrote: »

I can't find where I read it but it was when I was applying for the trailer test and it could only apply to the car you were driving for the test.

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Licensed-Drivers/Driving-licence/Cars-and-Trailers/
Irish info

some more detail from RSA with further links on that page

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/Example-of-non-Dup/Trailers-/

Farmer Pudsey

Oldtree wrote: »

some more detail from RSA with further links on that page

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/Example-of-non-Dup/Trailers-/

yes very detailed explians everything

Oldtree

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

yes very detailed explians everything

that web page is an overview with links to 3 other relevant pages including

Technical Trailer Requirements.

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/Example-of-non-Dup/Trailers-/Technical-Trailer-Requirements-/

Trailer Road Traffic Regulations

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/Example-of-non-Dup/Trailers-/Legal-Requirements-for-towing-trailers-/

Advice and Checks for Trailers:

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/Example-of-non-Dup/Trailers-/Advice-and-Checks-for-Trailers-/

I thought it was detailed what am I missing?

Sir Arthur Daley

Is it right to deduce from this thread that a vw caddy can pull a trailer 1500kg weight plus weight of trailer?

Muckit

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

Is it right to deduce from this thread that a vw caddy can pull a trailer 1500kg weight plus weight of trailer?

No. Look up your owners manual. There are variations depending on age and engine size.

Rovi

Here are the weight ratings for the current Caddy range:
https://www.volkswagen-vans.co.uk/range/caddy/caddy-panel-van/measurements

Looks like the maximum GROSS braked trailer weight is 1400 or 1500kg, depending on vehicle model.

The details for your specific model will be on the VIN plate.

Sir Arthur Daley

Rovi wrote: »

Looks like the maximum GROSS braked trailer weight is 1400 or 1500kg, depending on vehicle model.

In post 2 muckit says you can carry 4 x 350kg which is 1400kgs. Is this incorrect as is the gross trailer weight the total weight of trailer and payload in trailer?

Farmer Pudsey

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

In post 2 muckit says you can carry 4 x 350kg which is 1400kgs. Is this incorrect as is the gross trailer weight the total weight of trailer and payload in trailer?

it is the gross payload that counts trailer+load. You can put 4X350 kg weanlings in an 8X5 trailer that dose not mean that it is legal to tow.

Sir Arthur Daley

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

it is the gross payload that counts trailer+load. You can put 4X350 kg weanlings in an 8X5 trailer that dose not mean that it is legal to tow.

Ok so its incorrect to say one can put 1400kg weight into a trailer that is being towed by a vw caddy?

Farmer Pudsey

yes

_Brian

I'd have to disagree

All we can say for definite is that the combined gross laden weight (also referred to as MPLM) is to be no more than 3500kg.

A quick google shows the gross laden weight of the C20 Caddy to be 2210kg
http://www.nicheleasing.co.uk/VW_Vans/Caddy/VW_Caddy_1-9_TDI_PD_104PS_.html

This allows 1290kg for the gross trailer weight. Allow 500kg for the trailer this gives a potential trailer payload of 790kg.

This is the calculation for a regular B liscence and I'm sure other variations of the Caddy will have a different gross vehicle weight, but I couldn't see it being substantially different.

Sir Arthur Daley

_Brian wrote: »

This allows 1290kg for the gross trailer weight. Allow 500kg for the trailer this gives a potential trailer payload of 790kg.

This sounds more right as the thought of putting 1400kg weight of animals into a trailer weighing 500-600kgs alone maybe more being pulled by a vw caddy seems far fetched.

Farmer Pudsey

You are limited by towing capacity of the vehicule you are using. A caddy is limited to tow either 1.5 or 1.4T I am not sure which. We will say 1.5T, a berlingo 1.150T.

These are set as gross payloads trailer+payload so in case of caddy if trailer was 500kgs you could carry 1T of cattle in the factory. THe berlingo can only carry a payload of 650kgs.

_Brian

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

You are limited by towing capacity of the vehicule you are using. A caddy is limited to tow either 1.5 or 1.4T I am not sure which. We will say 1.5T, a berlingo 1.150T.

These are set as gross payloads trailer+payload so in case of caddy if trailer was 500kgs you could carry 1T of cattle in the factory. THe berlingo can only carry a payload of 650kgs.

If you had an EB lisence then this would be true.
But with a regular B lisence you cannot bring a gross trailer weight of 1500kg behind a van with a gross weight of 2210kg as I quoted above for the C20 caddy. The weight limit on your liscence just doesn't allow it.

Sir Arthur Daley

_Brian wrote: »

But with a regular B lisence you cannot bring a gross trailer weight of 1500kg behind a van with a gross weight of 2210kg

If the van was empty i.e no payload it in one could pull 1500kg?

_Brian

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

If the van was empty i.e no payload it in one could pull 1500kg?

No.
Oddly the regulation is set based on the Gross Laden Weight, the actual laden weight isn't considered.

Sir Arthur Daley

_Brian wrote: »

No.
Oddly the regulation is set based on the Gross Laden Weight, the actual laden weight isn't considered.

OK so as you said earlier for a C20 caddy the gross trailer weight is 1290kg?

_Brian

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

OK so as you said earlier for a C20 caddy the gross trailer weight is 1290kg?

Yes

Sir Arthur Daley

_Brian wrote: »

Yes

Thanks for that info, like i say post 2 was misleading and led to alot of confusion.

Muckit

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

In post 2 muckit says you can carry 4 x 350kg which is 1400kgs. Is this incorrect as is the gross trailer weight the total weight of trailer and payload in trailer?

Yes I can physically fit these weanlings in trailer. And yes l can legally tow. ... with my jeep.

_Brian

Muckit wrote: »

Yes I can physically fit these weanlings in trailer. And yes l can legally tow. ... with my jeep.

Obviously you have the EB liscence so ??

Muckit

_Brian wrote: »

Obviously you have the EB liscence so ??

Yep. Full EB.

_Brian

I didn't mean to bang on about it but you'd be surprised at the number of lads with regular B licences who don't fully understand the regulations and think they're legal.

Sir Arthur Daley

Muckit wrote: »

Yes I can physically fit these weanlings in trailer. And yes l can legally tow. ... with my jeep.

Why did you say to the op that you could carry 1400kg load in a trailer to suit the vw caddy?