Tip Thread Rules

MoscowFlyer

Convert,

You are going about this is totally the wrong fashion. I can see what you are trying to do but going all regimental about it is just terribly bad and makes you look like you are on some kind of power trip.

Having people explain their tips is perfectly fine but not allowing any type of discussion or even allowing people to discuss the race afterwards is pathetic. You want people to bounce between threads? The tip was posted in that thread, let people discuss it in a reasonable fashion. If people start posting giving abuse to the tipster for the horse not winning then take action but people who thank or even the person who tipped it giving an explanation as to why they think it didn't win shouldn't face any sort of infractions or whatever you are doing.

You are going to drive people away from this forum with this type of attitude. Maybe you should have a rethink about your strategy going forward.

mick malones mauser

Agreed
Totally
Also having to explain where the tip is from is nonsense
Lets say my brother is head lad with yard X and is pals with the head lad from yard Y
I put up a tip for a horse and say "its from my pal he is head lad in this yard"
Guy could easily lose his job
Take the tips on trust
It wont take long to see what is genuine and what is not
So far most that I have seen on the tips thread seems genuine

handsfree2

mick malones mauser wrote: »

Agreed
Totally
Also having to explain where the tip is from is nonsense
Lets say my brother is head lad with yard X and is pals with the head lad from yard Y
I put up a tip for a horse and say "its from my pal he is head lad in this yard"
Guy could easily lose his job
Take the tips on trust
It wont take long to see what is genuine and what is not
So far most that I have seen on the tips thread seems genuine

Mick thanks for the winners yesterday.

I don't think lads have to go into all the detail of where the tip comes from but give indication of where the tip came from whether it's the yard, an owner or through a third party ITK.

andyman

The tips rules thing was my idea which I PMed him about. So direct all abuse to me.

Too many people are posting fancies. Too many people are then asking is this a tip or a fancy. Tips get lost for those of us who only had a few seconds to look at the thread (such as myself) and it's so frustrating. People have posted petty swipes at others because they don't believe the poster is actually tipping, instead posting fancies.

It's ****ing infuriating to read. All I want to see is tips with as much info as possible as to wheee the tip came from. Not specific names, but enough info to know that I can trust the person.

I came up with this idea to actually make it easier for everyone. If you have a tip, post it. That's it. The people can't seem to grasp what the thread is about and it's very quickly going the way of the old thread in light of the recent success of it. I'd rather have a thread where you can post tips only for everyone to read than have no thread at all because some idiots don't understand the difference between a tip and a fancy.

abarkie

The thread will probably die a death now, just as it was in fantastic form

I do agree that the performace of the tip should be discussed

I don't agree with detailing where it comes from as it may compromise a good source, just as mick malones mauser says above

I do agree some people don't seem to know the difference between a fan

Sadly we seem to have at least one knowledgeable poster in Urban Sea already

Hopefully we can get back on track but I somehow doubt it sadly

tomaussie

abarkie wrote: »

The thread will probably die a death now, just as it was in fantastic form

I do agree that the performace of the tip should be discussed

I don't agree with detailing where it comes from as it may compromise a good source, just as mick malones mauser says above

I do agree some people don't seem to know the difference between a fan

Sadly we seem to have at least one knowledgeable poster in Urban Sea already

Hopefully we can get back on track but I somehow doubt it sadly

Not being able to discuss or analyse the performance of the tip seems illogical.

It's also fairly easy to see which tips are genuine and which ones are from an inner fantasyland although it is very annoying to have to read the fantasyland posts to get to the real ones.

Motivator is an example of a good contributor. 7 or so tips with 6 winners but over a long period of time (not sure over what period of time, anybody know ?). Not 1 or 2 tips a week never mind daily tips.

EDIT: I thinks it motivator. Could be moscowflyer. Can't remember.

ste2010

It's very simple

Tips go in tips thread and all conv around that..

Fancies go in daily thread and all conv around that...

Case closed

andyman

tomaussie wrote: »

Not being able to discuss or analyse the performance of the tip seems illogical.

Being annoyed at the tipster is illogical as well, thankfully that only seems to come from people who aren't regulars. But by adapting a no-nonsense policy, then we know who is/isn't welcome in the forum.

Would you agree that the past few days have been painful reading despite the success?

Because of the recent success of the tips thread, it's taken a lot away from the daily threads which shouldn't be happening.

Honestly don't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist over this. The rule was made to benefit us all and to be perfectly fair to Convert, he warned all of us 4 or 5 times to give us a chance to adapt to the new rules. He didn't go all out gung-ho and it's unfair to say that he did. You can only warn so many times before getting the message across with official warnings, infractions and even bans.

abarkie

andyman wrote: »

Being annoyed at the tipster is illogical as well, thankfully that only seems to come from people who aren't regulars.

Agreed, we should be happy for what we are getting

andyman wrote: »

Would you agree that the past few days have been painful reading despite the success?

Because of the recent success of the tips thread, it's taken a lot away from the daily threads which shouldn't be happening.

Honestly don't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist over this. The rule was made to benefit us all and to be perfectly fair to Convert, he warned all of us 4 or 5 times to give us a chance to adapt to the new rules. He didn't go all out gung-ho and it's unfair to say that he did. You can only warn so many times before getting the message across with official warnings, infractions and even bans.

Some of it has been painful reading

Shouldnt take away from the main daily thread

Its the lack of discussion over a performance that is galling to me

tomaussie

andyman wrote: »

Being annoyed at the tipster is illogical as well, thankfully that only seems to come from people who aren't regulars. But by adapting a no-nonsense policy, then we know who is/isn't welcome in the forum.

Would you agree that the past few days have been painful reading despite the success?

Because of the recent success of the tips thread, it's taken a lot away from the daily threads which shouldn't be happening.

Honestly don't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist over this. The rule was made to benefit us all and to be perfectly fair to Convert, he warned all of us 4 or 5 times to give us a chance to adapt to the new rules. He didn't go all out gung-ho and it's unfair to say that he did. You can only warn so many times before getting the message across with official warnings, infractions and even bans.

Annoyed at what tipster ?

I think people get annoyed with the transparent BS. What I refer to as the fantasyland tip.

andyman

tomaussie wrote: »

Annoyed at what tipster ?

I think people get annoyed with the transparent BS. What I refer to as the fantasyland tip.

And people will still do it. It adds to the painful reading of that thread.

Tips only eradicates the problems. Yes I'd like to congratulate personally, but tips only and no other discussion solves more problems than it creates in my opinion.

Lostman1990

Just started following the thread a week ago and it is a fantastic thread. Hope all the regulars can sort out whatever and the thread keeps going....

MoscowFlyer

It's pretty easy to see which ones are genuine and which ones aren't.

GOLDCUPFAV - See here is an example of a guy who gives solid info and has a really good strikerate.

A poster that is throwing out "tips" every day is going to get found out.

MoscowFlyer

Let me give you an example of what I mean:

GOLDCUPFAV -- xx horse xx reason

I quote his post and talk about the horse and why I think it's a good tip, or just talk about it in general

I get an infraction for this

lol?

Horse loses, GOLDCUPFAV comes back and explains what he thinks happened or gets word from source as to what happened

He gets an infraction

lol?

Backstreet Moyes

The only thing i find odd is how some people recieve two or three tips everyday across loads of different stables. I might get 1 or 2 every two weeks from stables local to me.

convert

Guys, at this stage you know that any issues, complaints or feedback should be included in a PM to the mod(s) in question rather than starting a thread about it - you've been warned about this so many times over the years that I've actually lost count. Please, please stop starting threads to air your grievances and put it in a PM. Thank you to those of you who have done this.

I've limited 'net access at the moment, and not in a position to give a detailed reply. However, in short, I have received numerous PMs from users (not just andyman) re: the tips thread, complaining about the way it has gone from being a 'tips thread' to one which included fancies, and indeed had people asking for lucky 15s, etc. It's also the reason why the previous tips thread was closed and this one started. In addition, UrbanSea specifically mentioned this in the first post in this thread. There were numerous in-thread warnings, also, and judging by the number of people who 'thanked' those posts, it seems that there are quite a few people who were becoming increasingly frustrated with the thread.

The problem is that if we start to discuss the tips in the thread, then not only can the tips get lost in the noise, but a lot of users have been questioning the validity of other users' posts. It just ends up getting messy and frustrating for all concerned.

Re: posting info about the origin of the tips: obviously we're not expecting you to include the name of the person, but something along the lines of something along the lines of 'I got a tip for X in Y race at Z course'. Of course, if you want to add in 'owner', 'someone involved with the yard/horse', etc. or even 'on good authority', that's fine, but you don't need to be overly detailed.

I'm closing this thread now; any feedback, etc. drop me a PM.

Thanks,

C

PS - for those of you who are unaware: when mods post in bold it means we're acting as mods; when we post in 'normal' font, it generally means we're doing so as a user rather than a mod.