ISIS in Iraq / Tony Cartalucci, Thailand and Israel

Harold Weiss

Read a good article recently about who's behind the recent violence erupting across Iraq. It implies ISIS are being directed, funded by US/Israel and Saudi Arabia with the overall intention of destabilizing Iran.

America's Covert Re-Invasion of Iraq

The United States was sure to prop up two unfounded narratives - the first being that US intelligence agencies, despite assets in Iraq and above it in the form of surveillance drones, failed to give warning of the invasion, and that ISIS is some sort of self-sustaining terror organization carving out a "state" by "robbing banks" and collecting "donations" on Twitter.

The Redirection

...documenting over the course of 9 pages US, Saudi, and Israeli intentions to create and deploy sectarian extremists region-wide to confront Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Hersh would note that these "sectarian extremists" were either tied to Al Qaeda, or Al Qaeda itself. The ISIS army moving toward Baghdad is the final manifestation of this conspiracy, a standing army operating with impunity, threatening to topple the Syrian government, purge pro-Iranian forces in Iraq, and even threatening Iran itself by building a bridge from Al Qaeda's NATO safe havens in Turkey, across northern Iraq, and up to Iran's borders directly.

Labeled "terrorists" by the West, grants the West plausible deniability in its creation, deployment, and across the broad spectrum of atrocities it is now carrying out.

It is a defacto re-invasion of Iraq by Western interests - but this time without Western forces directly participating - rather a proxy force the West is desperately attempting to disavow any knowledge of or any connection to. However, no other explanation can account for the size and prowess of ISIS beyond state sponsorship

Iraq May Turn to Iran for Help, Maliki Aide Says

BAGHDAD — A senior Iraqi official on Friday warned that his country might be forced to turn to Iran for military help if none were forthcoming from the United States, but he insisted he was unaware of any Iranian military units in his country so far.

When I saw the level of progress made by ISIS and the lack of action taken by the US government to prevent the invasion of Baghdad, I suspected ISIS were being instructed to topple the existing Shiite President, Maliki by force.

Maliki is Shiite/pro-Iranian and ISIS taking control of Iraq would directly threaten Iran which is after all a country Zionists want to destroy or at least subjugate.

There is a narrative being propagated by the mainstream media this invasion of Iraq took US by surprise which is nonsensical considering ISIS had been taking control of major cities throughout Iraq since January 2013.

Harold Weiss

I should have mentioned, the article I cited is written by Tony Cartalucci which some of you may distrust.

Tony Cartalucci’s Covering for the Israel Lobby

Is ‘Tony Cartalucci’ a fictional creation of Eric Draitser and/or Nile Bowie?

@O_Cathail ur so confused/irrelevant. Iraq’s invaded & you’re obsessing over my insufficient hatred for Israel? Ru cognitive infiltration?

@O_Cathail btw you are blocked. Keep preaching to your 100 followers. I have more important things to do.

Well, that’s one way of avoiding the question!

Harold Weiss

Bah, having read a bit more about this Cartalucci fellow, it seems he may be a fictional person as a means to spread disinfo...ah well, any thoughts on ISIS anyway and what their goals are in Iraq apart from what the mainstream are telling us?

Harold Weiss

Playlist of Tony Cartalucci, his links to Thailand and Israel.

Brown Bomber

Harold Weiss wrote: »

Bah, having read a bit more about this Cartalucci fellow, it seems he may be a fictional person as a means to spread disinfo...

First I've heard of this and while nothing would surprise me anymore I used to read Cartalucci a fair bit and I never got the impression he was shilling for anyone. He stopped writing a while back but I always found his analyses honest, well researched and informed and a welcome antidote to the propaganda coming from BBC, CNN and Jazeera etc on Iran and the bull**** colour revolutions, though this is just my opinion

Harold Weiss wrote: »

ah well, any thoughts on ISIS anyway and what their goals are in Iraq apart from what the mainstream are telling us?

I really don't know what to think anymore. It's so complicated. There are so many layers upon layers and wheels within wheels. What I do know is that the US/NATO aren't involving themselves in the region for any altruistic motives nor can can I believe that arming and training mujahadeen (again) can lead to anything good. All I am left with is the intentional destruction of the region to destroy every possible resistance to US global hegemony and Israeli regional dominance. The Yinon Plan/A Clean Break being played out - "every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us".
http://theflowerthrowers.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/morris-sadek-useful-idiot-or-tool-of-zionism/

Brown Bomber

I posted the following 2 posts in the religion forum though I think they provide important context here, the kind of context that I wouldn't expect to be given in the mainstream meda so I hope it's okay to double post?

Just for clarity: Sunni = Sunnah = Tradition. The "tradition" of the Prophet Muhammed who invited Christians to pray with him.

These Salafist Tafkirs who are allied with the "liberal", Western democracies in Syria and Libya serve the "traditions" or more accurately the agenda of the House of Saud and it's petro-monarchy Wahabbi allies.

From a member of the Saudi Royal Family:

Quote:
“This regime in Saudi Arabia does not stand by God’s rules or even (country’s) established rules and its policies, decisions, and actions are totally based on personal will of its leaders.”

“All that is said in Saudi Arabia about respecting law and religion rules are factitious so that they can lie and pretend that the regime obeys Islamic rules.”
- See more at: http://en.alalam.ir/news/1499049#sthash.h1nQ4q32.dpuf

Their crimes were for so long hidden by pro-regime-change propagandists in the so-called free press as they were portrayed as Freedom Fighters and not the Gulf/Western backed mercenary jihadis they actually were

All of whom are virtual protectorates of the U.S.

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Yes, the situation is truly grave. It's very sad.

One of my friends - an Iraqi Christian - had his brother-in-law murdered in front of his sister (the murdered man's wife) in a sectarian killing due to the fact he was a member of some obscure John the Baptist Christian sect native to Iraq (that someone here may know more about). His own family had earlier been given 24 hours notice to leave their home as it was now the property of "Al Qaeda".

Iraq/Mesopotamia is an ancient and proud civilisation. Prior to the illegal US invasion Christians lived in relative peace, even if they were suffering through the economic sanctions and the whims of a dictator and to the Muslim population it was irrelevant whether someone was a Sunni or a Shia. They intermarried, their children went to the same schools and so on.

The invasion changed all this.

Specifically the establishment by the US military of the "Wolf Brigade". A US-led Shia death squad which targetted Sunnis. The consequences of this are obvious.

Quote:
Revealed: Pentagon's link to Iraqi torture centres

Exclusive: General David Petraeus and 'dirty wars' veteran behind commando units implicated in detainee abuse
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...e-centres-link


Quote:
Petraeus and the Wolf Brigade: Torture Built into US War Strategy


Quote:
US Military Still Runs With Dreaded Wolf Brigade

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/porter.php?articleid=8335

History didn't begin yesterday.

Brown Bomber

Actually, just had a thought... On this:

Revealed: Pentagon's link to Iraqi torture centres

Exclusive: General David Petraeus and 'dirty wars' veteran behind commando units implicated in detainee abuse
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...e-centres-link

It wouldn't surprise me if ISIS consisted primarily of graduates/ex prisoners/"escapees" from these kind of military/CIA torture black sites.

Nomadic mercenary jihadis who were bought off to fight the US's jihad in Syria and elsewhere or tortured into becoming double-agents - people should look up "learned helplessness" on that.

Abertlocan

No Islamic terror group is going to name themselves after an Egyptian Goddess.