Training Multiple Art's

CB19Kevo

Currently doing Jiu Jitsu, Judo and some thai Boxing.
Have seen on other forums where it is criticised.
Whats peoples take on it once you are giving enough weekly time to train in all.

Peetrik

No problem with it.

The only thing would be that your progression in each will be slower than if you train one exclusively.

Pat Mustard

Just a suggestion OP, but have you considered that if Muay Thai covers striking and if Judo covers grappling etc., Jiu Jitsu then becomes a bit redundant?

Would you gain more than you lose by dropping Jiu Jitsu, in your particular circumstances?

FTA69

At the end of the day it depends on what you want to get out of it like. If you simply want to improve your striking and grappling then there's nothing wrong with doing 2 or so days in each. For the average dude wanting to learn a bit of self defence or just enjoy his training then this is fine.

However, bear in mind if you're doing something like BJJ twice a week, you will not be progressing nearly as quickly as the guys in there 4/5 days a week and often they'll soon leave you behind. You get out what you put in.

If you intend in competing in either you will have to dedicate significant time and extra work into your training in general and that's something that many people find difficult to maintain.

CB19Kevo

Would like to progress rapidly but not stressed about competition or grading much.
Would rather not drop jiu jitsu as theres a good instructor and nice group.
Currently have 2 nights jiu jitsu,1 Thai boxing,1 Judo.
Classes are clashing so thats the best i can do at the moment.

Peetrik

CB19Kevo wrote: »

Currently have 2 nights jiu jitsu,1 Thai boxing,1 Judo.
Classes are clashing so thats the best i can do at the moment.

In my opinion, doing 2 nights a week in any one style will only stop you forgetting what you've learned. You won't progress at all.

You'd be much better dropping the Thai and Judo and also doing BJJ on those days if that's the one you enjoy the most.

Stillweak

Peetrik wrote: »

You'd be much better dropping the Thai and Judo and also doing BJJ on those days if that's the one you enjoy the most.

I don't think it's bjj he is doing.

Anyway OP, if I'm correct it is Japanese jiu jitsu I'd be interested to know how you feel the two arts compare.
Do you think the thai is better or worse than the striking in jiu jitsu?
Do you think the judo is better or worse than the grappling in jiu jitsu?

CB19Kevo

Stillweak wrote: »

I don't think it's bjj he is doing.

Anyway OP, if I'm correct it is Japanese jiu jitsu I'd be interested to know how you feel the two arts compare.
Do you think the thai is better or worse than the striking in jiu jitsu?
Do you think the judo is better or worse than the grappling in jiu jitsu?

Yes, Not doing BJJ.
The thai is far better for the strikes than Jiu Jitsu.
The judo seems better for the grappling.

That being said the locks and pressure points in Jiu jitsu i find practical and interesting and a lot of focus on blocks.

As for 2 nights a week being too much, Maybe you are right but would the more you do / practice bring you along quicker.

Peetrik

CB19Kevo wrote: »

As for 2 nights a week being too much, Maybe you are right but would the more you do / practice bring you along quicker.

Just to be clear, 2 night a week isn't too much. It's nowhere near enough if you want to get better.

1 night = waste of your time
2 nights = just breaking even
3 nights = slow progression
4+ = decent progress

CB19Kevo

Peetrik wrote: »

Just to be clear, 2 night a week isn't too much. It's nowhere near enough if you want to get better.

1 night = waste of your time
2 nights = just breaking even
3 nights = slow progression
4+ = decent progress

Max i can do is 2 nights,All of the local groups only train max 3 times per week anyway and i cannot make the 3rd day due to work.
I have been happy enough so far and picking up the moves slowly but surely by only doing 2 days, Not ideal but getting there all the same.

Stillweak

CB19Kevo wrote: »

Yes, Not doing BJJ.
The thai is far better for the strikes than Jiu Jitsu.
The judo seems better for the grappling.

That being said the locks and pressure points in Jiu jitsu i find practical and interesting and a lot of focus on blocks.

As for 2 nights a week being too much, Maybe you are right but would the more you do / practice bring you along quicker.

I seriously don't agree that the locks and pressure points are practical. I think if you try that **** in the real world you will find out the hard way.
There was a guy who used to post here who only discovered how rubbish jiu jitsu was when he took up bjj. Now he's one of the best bjj players in the country.

CB19Kevo

Stillweak wrote: »

I seriously don't agree that the locks and pressure points are practical. I think if you try that **** in the real world you will find out the hard way.
There was a guy who used to post here who only discovered how rubbish jiu jitsu was when he took up bjj. Now he's one of the best bjj players in the country.

Work in a bar so locks come in handy when you want someone out without knocking them out.

Mellor

CB19Kevo wrote: »

Work in a bar so locks come in handy when you want someone out without knocking them out.

I've no idea what these locks in JJ are. I would that if they were effective against a resisting opponent that they be be used in other grappling MA (rules permitting of course)

Can you link to an example to one of these kicks, that would work in a bar or similar.

Doug Cartel

I'm not a massive fan of standing locks and pressure points, but I'm going to guess that if someone does judo (which the OP does) then they will have enough experience dealing with a resisting opponent in randori to have a good idea how viable applying a standing lock is.

Also, quite often when chucking someone out of a bar you are not really dealing with a fully resisting opponent. You're dealing with someone who is a bit aggro, but given the choice of leaving quietly or having their arm twisted, they'll choose to leave.

arybvtcw0eolkf

CB19Kevo wrote: »

Would like to progress rapidly but not stressed about competition or grading much.
Would rather not drop jiu jitsu as theres a good instructor and nice group.
Currently have 2 nights jiu jitsu,1 Thai boxing,1 Judo.
Classes are clashing so thats the best i can do at the moment.

In that case drop the Judo because you can only grade to green belt without fighting (competing) for your blue, brown and black.. And without the competition element your fellow judoka are going to leave you behind fairly quickly.

Sounds like you want to be a 'jack of all trades and a master of none', if you want to combine two or three styles then my suggestion is an MMA club which will take the strongest elements from all the styles you're currently training and combine them into an effective combat system without the need for grades or competition.

But believe me, IMO those who are competing in whatever style you choose are always going to progress quicker and further than you will, its how you learn to fight and test yourself, as Bruce said 'If you want to learn to swim, jump into the water'..

Gumbi

I agree with others. Doing something once a week is a waste of time, especially for a beginner. Twice a week bare minimum (that is if you actually want to learn useful skills and not just exercise).

I think there is definitely a benefit to cross training multiple styles if you're fairly experienced and spend at least twice a week doing something. At the moment I train boxing two to three times a week (mornings), mma 3 to 4 times a week, and get in a single class of JJJ (a decent JJJ class). I try to get in a class of no gi BJJ once a week but it doesn't always happen.

Some might think this is a waste of time as I'm not getting the hours in with BJJ... and they might be right. But I just treat it as a chance to get a good roll in with some higher level guys (compared to MMA class) and do some drilling. So it's not like I'm doing different stuff there all the time. I only just started the boxing too to improve my striking.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Also, quite often when chucking someone out of a bar you are not really dealing with a fully resisting opponent. You're dealing with someone who is a bit aggro, but given the choice of leaving quietly or having their arm twisted, they'll choose to leave.

lol, I wish!. It does happen, but its very rare.

Zen65

CB19Kevo wrote: »

Currently doing Jiu Jitsu, Judo and some thai Boxing.
Have seen on other forums where it is criticised.
Whats peoples take on it once you are giving enough weekly time to train in all.

If you're enjoying it then it's not a waste of time.

I used to think that training too many arts at the same time would slow your progress until I read this.

Mind you it's just possible that this is an exceptional case. Where it is practical to do so I strongly advocate working on one art until you acquire a solid competence, then by all means diversify as much as you wish. If you have time and classes available then by all means try a second MA, but I'd suggest a MA that does not confuse your first art. Judo and Jiu Jitsu seem a little too close to my mind, but these are not arts I am competent in, so I could be mistaken.