Toyota recall

Whiplashy

I heard on the radio this morning that Toyota are recalling 2000-2004 Avensis, Corolla and Yaris due to a dodgy passenger airbag. I have a 2002 Corolla, do I need to do anything about this or will Toyota contact me? I'm the registered owner with the tax office but according to the NCT I'm not!

On a side note, with all the Toyota recalls globally in the last few years should I be reconsidering my allegiance to them?! I've never had a mechanical problem with any of my Toyotas but these recalls are unnerving me a bit. At least it's only my passengers airbag that's liable to go on fire! All seems to be fine on the drivers side

Oafley Jones

Whiplashy wrote: »

I heard on the radio this morning that Toyota are recalling 2000-2004 Avensis, Corolla and Yaris due to a dodgy passenger airbag. I have a 2002 Corolla, do I need to do anything about this or will Toyota contact me? I'm the registered owner with the tax office but according to the NCT I'm not!

On a side note, with all the Toyota recalls globally in the last few years should I be reconsidering my allegiance to them?! I've never had a mechanical problem with any of my Toyotas but these recalls are unnerving me a bit. At least it's only my passengers airbag that's liable to go on fire! All seems to be fine on the drivers side

I've no problems with recalls, it's the ****ers that are still refusing to acknowledge any problems are the real brands to avoid.

Whiplashy

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I've no problems with recalls, it's the ****ers that are still refusing to acknowledge any problems are the real brands to avoid.

I never thought of it that way. Good point!

crosstownk

If your car is due any modification as a result of this recall the Toyota will contact you (the registered owner).

A telephone call to your local dealer with your reg/chassis number will also verify if your car is included although it may be a few days/weeks before Toyota have the full list of affected vehicles. It depends where Toyota Ireland are in the process at this stage.

Recalls are normal with practically all manufacturers. Nothing to panic about.

Rowley Birkin QC

It was pretty cool to see Tesla releasing an over the air patch to their cars recently. As far as I remember it was something to do with the ride height of the car; no recall and no mechanical interference required.

CJhaughey

I think the recalls are very good, I had a pair of halfshafts replaced on a 10 year old landcruiser.
The fact that they are recalling 2000 models and doing work on them speaks volumes as a quality measure.
Did VAG recall the shíte 2.0 Diesel oil pump drive? no.
Did they recall the injector problems that stopped cars dead? no.
Those are real problems that are just as dangerous and expensive to fix.
But because they don't publicise them people don't even know about them.

MugMugs

Yeah it seems Dammed if you do and Dammed if you don't. If they didn't recall, they'd be in the mud and when they do recall, they're in the mud anyway.

visual

Great to see a car company do recalls.

Its the companies that don't are the ones to be concerned about.

Henry Ford III

Whilst some credit should rightly be given to Toyota for this latest move wouldn't it be better still if they made cars that didn't need recalling, that started and stopped when requested, and that they didn't need to pay out over US$1.1 Billion in compensation over?

johnayo

Whiplashy wrote: »

I heard on the radio this morning that Toyota are recalling 2000-2004 Avensis, Corolla and Yaris due to a dodgy passenger airbag. I have a 2002 Corolla, do I need to do anything about this or will Toyota contact me? I'm the registered owner with the tax office but according to the NCT I'm not!

On a side note, with all the Toyota recalls globally in the last few years should I be reconsidering my allegiance to them?! I've never had a mechanical problem with any of my Toyotas but these recalls are unnerving me a bit. At least it's only my passengers airbag that's liable to go on fire! All seems to be fine on the drivers side

You say that you've never had a mechanical problem with any of your Toyotas. That probably answers your question.

colm_mcm

Isn't this just a reminder of an old recall?

_Kaiser_

CJhaughey wrote: »

I think the recalls are very good, I had a pair of halfshafts replaced on a 10 year old landcruiser.
The fact that they are recalling 2000 models and doing work on them speaks volumes as a quality measure.
Did VAG recall the shíte 2.0 Diesel oil pump drive? no.
Did they recall the injector problems that stopped cars dead? no.
Those are real problems that are just as dangerous and expensive to fix.
But because they don't publicise them people don't even know about them.

Whatever about the oil pump, the injectors they did recall (even though it took VW IRL about an extra 6 months to do so)

visual

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Whilst some credit should rightly be given to Toyota for this latest move wouldn't it be better still if they made cars that didn't need recalling, that started and stopped when requested, and that they didn't need to pay out over US$1.1 Billion in compensation over?

In the US all car companies are Forsed to do recalls and they refuse to do the same recall here. Except Toyota

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then there is the European companies who do nothing unless their dragged through the courts or fined.

Elektronske

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I've no problems with recalls, it's the ****ers that are still refusing to acknowledge any problems are the real brands to avoid.

Now your talking, I'm very happy when Toyota pay for a recall, unlike the other car manufactures that deny and cover up their faults.

Elektronske

crosstownk wrote: »

If your car is due any modification as a result of this recall the Toyota will contact you (the registered owner).

A telephone call to your local dealer with your reg/chassis number will also verify if your car is included although it may be a few days/weeks before Toyota have the full list of affected vehicles. It depends where Toyota Ireland are in the process at this stage.

Recalls are normal with practically all manufacturers. Nothing to panic about.

I recently buy a 2001 Corolla, how can I check if it missed the work on any previous re calls as some owners do not bother. Will the garage also carry out previous re call work that was not done ?

Elektronske

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Whilst some credit should rightly be given to Toyota for this latest move wouldn't it be better still if they made cars that didn't need recalling, that started and stopped when requested, and that they didn't need to pay out over US$1.1 Billion in compensation over?

Yes it would be better in a perfect world, but don't kid yourself that any car model is ever perfect and never needs any recalls, at least Toyota do recall them, and pay for it.

JohnBoy26

It's down to the airbag supplier in this case and it's not Toyota fault. Toyota aren't the only automaker that these supply either so their could be recalls from other manufacturers too.

neilthefunkeone

colm_mcm wrote: »

Isn't this just a reminder of an old recall?

Yeah I believe so.. the girlfriends yaris had the passenger airbag replaced last October..

Henry Ford III

visual wrote: »

In the US all car companies are Forsed to do recalls and they refuse to do the same recall here. Except Toyota

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then there is the European companies who do nothing unless their dragged through the courts or fined.

Doesn't make any sense.

Are you suggesting Toyota did millions of recalls and paid megabucks in compo through some kind of honour?

JohnBoy26

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Whilst some credit should rightly be given to Toyota for this latest move wouldn't it be better still if they made cars that didn't need recalling, that started and stopped when requested, and that they didn't need to pay out over US$1.1 Billion in compensation over?

I'm sure they set out to make a perfect car, but as you know, nothing in life is perfect no matter how good it is.

Thousands of components make up a car. No manufacturer makes all the components for their cars. Car manufacturers get other outside component makers to make many of the specific components for their cars.

Toyota didn't make the airbags for these cars. An outside airbag manufacturer did. Im sure Toyota wanted an airbag that met their high quality standards. However they were relying on this company to make an airbag to their spec and quality. This company failed in it's quality control however.

I don't see how this recall is Toyotas fault.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/transport-and-tourism/toyota-to-recall-over-20-000-cars-in-ireland-for-airbag-defects-1.1828214

Other car makers who used the same airbag manufacturer have also recalled and some others are considering a recall.

visual

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Doesn't make any sense.

Are you suggesting Toyota did millions of recalls and paid megabucks in compo through some kind of honour?

Yes in fact most of their recalls are voluntary
compo would be because of legal cases
US dont give the car makers the same free ride we do.

Bmw VW etc in US are forced to do recalls they don't do the same recall here.
Renault have many recalls in UK but refuse to apply it in Ireland.

Toyota do a recall its world wide not just in a country they are forced to do it it.

name one other car maker who publicly does recalls

noelf

Check out WWW.leftlanenews.com vehicles effected from 2002 to 2006 Honda Nissan mazda Chrysler and Toyota airbag inflators supplied by Takata can explode and risk of fire and serious occupant injuries regions of high humidity seems to be a factor .. Toyota seems to be the only manufacturer doing something about this .. Link to leftlane above not working ..

CJhaughey

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Whatever about the oil pump, the injectors they did recall (even though it took VW IRL about an extra 6 months to do so)

But did they do it out of the goodness of their heart? I doubt it.
I think they probably had to follow the UK example and it took them 6 mths to actually find the balls to do so.

mossym

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Doesn't make any sense.

Are you suggesting Toyota did millions of recalls and paid megabucks in compo through some kind of honour?

or, given recent troubles, it's a positive branding move. even without the issues it could be seen that way.

Supplier comes to Car Manufacturer. hey guys, you know those airbags we've been selling you for 10 years, well looks like our bad, they have a problem we didn't know about .really sorry about that, the good news is we'll fix it for your new models in 3 years time, but the millions of cars you've sold, well yeah they all have the problem. you probably want to sort that out. replace the airbags, and hey, look, we'll sell you the fixed version to replace them with. We'll even throw in a small discount to compensate your pain

Company 1 Say nothing, joe public thinks they're great for never having a recall, most reliable car on the planet, unaware the airbag is dodgy as hell. The money company a saves by not doing the recall will cover any claims from customers who do happen to have an issue. And when the number havng it goes aboves a certain threshold, then we'll look at fixing the rest. i.e. when it gets cheaper to fix than it is to pay the claims. look at he ford tire case in teh US

Company 2 issues a recall, fixes it on their dime,

1)out of care for the customer,
2)or because some marketing guy says that even though they don't, it will have a positive message that they care.
3) because fixing it from the start is cheaper than a bunch of claims and then having to fix it anyway

Joe public's reaction: Company 2, even though they now have you driving around in a safe car, are poor quality wise, but company 1 are great.

ignorance is bliss.

RayCon

Interesting article regarding Toyota going back to basics in car manufacturing as they feel they've lost some "mastery / craft" through decades of automation.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-06/humans-replacing-robots-herald-toyota-s-vision-of-future.html

Henry Ford III

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

It's down to the airbag supplier in this case and it's not Toyota fault. Toyota aren't the only automaker that these supply either so their could be recalls from other manufacturers too.

Of course Toyota are at fault. They selected a clearly inferior 3rd part supplier, and fitted substandard airbags to these cars.

Granted other manufacturers could be in a similar position, but that's not for this thread.

Henry Ford III

mossym wrote: »

or, given recent troubles, it's a positive branding move. even without the issues it could be seen that way.

Supplier comes to Car Manufacturer. hey guys, you know those airbags we've been selling you for 10 years, well looks like our bad, they have a problem we didn't know about .really sorry about that, the good news is we'll fix it for your new models in 3 years time, but the millions of cars you've sold, well yeah they all have the problem. you probably want to sort that out. replace the airbags, and hey, look, we'll sell you the fixed version to replace them with. We'll even throw in a small discount to compensate your pain

Company 1 Say nothing, joe public thinks they're great for never having a recall, most reliable car on the planet, unaware the airbag is dodgy as hell. The money company a saves by not doing the recall will cover any claims from customers who do happen to have an issue. And when the number havng it goes aboves a certain threshold, then we'll look at fixing the rest. i.e. when it gets cheaper to fix than it is to pay the claims. look at he ford tire case in teh US

Company 2 issues a recall, fixes it on their dime,

1)out of care for the customer,
2)or because some marketing guy says that even though they don't, it will have a positive message that they care.
3) because fixing it from the start is cheaper than a bunch of claims and then having to fix it anyway

Joe public's reaction: Company 2, even though they now have you driving around in a safe car, are poor quality wise, but company 1 are great.

ignorance is bliss.

Funnily enough this is exactly where Toyota were before things fell apart for them.

I'm sure Toyota is suing the airbag manufacturer for supplying dud parts, but the customer doesn't buy a collection of 3rd party parts. He buys a car made by Toyota.

mossym

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Of course Toyota are at fault. T

of course they are, and they know it. that's why they are paying for a recall

Henry Ford III wrote: »

. They selected a clearly inferior 3rd part supplier, and fitted substandard airbags to these cars.

apart from the clarity given by the fact that they have initiated a recall, what proof have you that they were clearly inferior? for all you know they could have been the number 1 supplier with the best safety record at the time. easy to be right after the fact

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Granted other manufacturers could be in a similar position, but that's not for this thread.

the op's question was should he consider his allegiance to toyota, telling him he should, without making him aware that other potential choices could be equally as bad if not worse (from the top of my head 4x the number of peopel killed in the ford recall than the toyota), isn't doing him any favours.

mossym

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Funnily enough this is exactly where Toyota were before things fell apart for them.

I'm sure Toyota is suing the airbag manufacturer for supplying dud parts, but the customer doesn't buy a collection of 3rd party parts. He buys a car made by Toyota.

True. in reality nearly every product a customer buys they are buying a collection of third party parts put together by the OEM, and it’s for the OEM to stand over the reliability. I’m not sure there are any with a flawless record, no matter how focused on quality they are (iphone antenna issue?). The bigger questions is how they deal with them. Head in the sand and ignore (BMW timing chain issue on the N47), or deal with the issue. So either lash them for having issues, when every one of them does, or lash them for how they deal with it. Or both. If it’s the former though, they’re all the same. The latter is where some differentiate from others

Henry Ford III

mossym wrote: »

....apart from the clarity given by the fact that they have initiated a recall, what proof have you that they were clearly inferior? for all you know they could have been the number 1 supplier with the best safety record at the time. easy to be right after the fact...

They're not being recalled for the craic

Boom_Bap

The recall happened last year or earlier this year.
I got notification from the Toyota dealership where I bought the car, booked a slot with them and was done very quickly.

I applaud Toyota for this, there are other cars such as Renault who wouldn't recall their Megane's to replace the window reg for example.

mossym

mossym wrote: »

apart from the clarity given by the fact that they have initiated a recall, what proof have you that they were clearly inferior? for all you know they could have been the number 1 supplier with the best safety record at the time. easy to be right after the fact
.

Henry Ford III wrote: »

They're not being recalled for the craic

hindsight is 20/20 vision. so the answer to my question is none then? I'm sure toyota, no more than any other oem out there, has a crystal ball.

you're right, every product we buy should be perfect

in reality none of them are. so you can either cry over it, or accept it and judge which suppliers have least issues/deal with the ones they have best.

avoiding companies because of their mistakes does send the message that they need to improve. the problem on the consumer side is you run out of options pretty fast

Henry Ford III

Toyota have had a horrendous run of recalls and a record payout for litigation.

Whilst some issues with 3rd party parts can't be predicted, this run of setbacks for Toyota can't be totally down to back luck.

p.s. I was in a Corolla last night. Recent enough model. It was awful. Cheap, tinny, and basically low rent.

JohnBoy26

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Of course Toyota are at fault. They selected a clearly inferior 3rd part supplier, and fitted substandard airbags to these cars.

Granted other manufacturers could be in a similar position, but that's not for this thread.

Toyota may be responsible if the one of these airbags gives issues on one of their cars but how can an issue that was out of their control their fault?

I highly doubt that they intentially selected an "inferior 3rd party supplier" If that's what you are suggesting, then you are ridiculous. This supplier was used by many manufacturers so I highly doubt that this 3rd party supplier was seen as being "inferior".

How were Toyota to know that the airbags they were fitting were substandard? How can you tell the difference between a defective airbag and a perfectly good airbag?

Also it is "for this thread" that other manufacturers could be in a similar position as it's the same airbag supplier at fault.

JohnBoy26

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Toyota have had a horrendous run of recalls and a record payout for litigation.

Whilst some issues with 3rd party parts can't be predicted, this run of setbacks for Toyota can't be totally down to back luck.

You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder regarding Toyota. You constantly toute the Same old stories. It's getting old at this stage and is a bit strange if I'm honest.

Also if you think Toyota are the only one's recalling, think again. Many manufacturers are recalling, even your beloved ford motor company.

Henry Ford III wrote: »

p.s. I was in a Corolla last night. Recent enough model. It was awful. Cheap, tinny, and basically low rent.

Recent enough model? The one from 7 years ago is it?

bazz26

The same record gets played over and over any time a similar topic comes up for conversation. Jesus, either buy one or don't but just move on either way.

Those marketing boys at Toyota must be doing something right, they manage to turn a bad PR job into a positive spin. Carrying out a free of charge recall on 10 year old cars reinforces their ability to look after their customers long term while some other manufacturers hide behind limited warranty terms and conditions. Toyota seem to have gotten in there before everyone else using the same faulty components, lets see who else follows now.

Henry Ford III

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder regarding Toyota. You constantly toute the Same old stories. It's getting old at this stage and is a bit strange if I'm honest.....

Incorrect. I actually drove one for a couple of years way back - 1989 I think.
It was basic transport and put up with near constant abuse.

RayCon

Speaking of recalls ... now that I remember it .. my Mrs's 03 Nissan Micra has been recalled twice .. once for steering wheel adjustment and I forget the other thing

noelf

Boom_Bap wrote: »

The recall happened last year or earlier this year.
I got notification from the Toyota dealership where I bought the car, booked a slot with them and was done very quickly.

I applaud Toyota for this, there are other cars such as Renault who wouldn't recall their Megane's to replace the window reg for example.

I think you only received a visual inspection last year if that is the case you will be recalled again . Toyota is recalling 650000 vehicles for a second time

Stallingrad

Breaking news: BMW have just announced a recall on all N47 engined cars to replace the timing chain and associated ancillaries!

Stallingrad

Sorry, drifted off there, must have dreamt that.

Gazzmonkey

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Toyota have had a horrendous run of recalls and a record payout for litigation.

Whilst some issues with 3rd party parts can't be predicted, this run of setbacks for Toyota can't be totally down to back luck.

p.s. I was in a Corolla last night. Recent enough model. It was awful. Cheap, tinny, and basically low rent.

They've gone down the drains big time,

In saying that, a mate of mine is driving around in a 1998 Corolla G6 which has excellent build quality and still runs 100% and never gave any bother.

Whiplashy

Gazzmonkey wrote: »

They've gone down the drains big time,

In saying that, a mate of mine is driving around in a 1998 Corolla G6 which has excellent build quality and still runs 100% and never gave any bother.

They do seem to have lost their way with the newer ones. My whole family drive Toyotas and my 02 Corolla is the most modern. None of us would touch any of the newer ones. I'm hoping they'll go back to basic reliable cars soon, or I'll be in trouble when I next upgrade.

PADRAIC.M

BMW, Nissan and Honda also used the same takata airbag inflators, as before they only recalled their cars when the Toyota recall forced them too. They received the same information from the takata plant in Mexico about the previously checked inflators might be faulty.

FirstIn

I have a 05 Rav4. January 05 sold here.

The airbag light does illuminate the very odd time and when the recall was announced I called toyota. They said it was subject to the recall and I'd hear from my local garage (garage that I bought it from)

I heard nothing from the garage so I called them and they say it isn't covered. Odd.

I see that Toyota UK have an online checker. Is there anything similar for us?

BTW, other than the airbag light coming on the bery odd time it's been 100% reliable. Great car and I believe Jap built which helps.

fmcg_scribe

FirstIn wrote: »

I have a 05 Rav4. January 05 sold here.

The airbag light does illuminate the very odd time and when the recall was announced I called toyota. They said it was subject to the recall and I'd hear from my local garage (garage that I bought it from)

I heard nothing from the garage so I called them and they say it isn't covered. Odd.

I see that Toyota UK have an online checker. Is there anything similar for us?

BTW, other than the airbag light coming on the bery odd time it's been 100% reliable. Great car and I believe Jap built which helps.

Toyota recalls 1.67 million Toyota, Lexus cars for 3 separate defects:
http://www.autonews.com/article/20141015/OEM/141019936/toyota-recalls-1-67-million-toyota-lexus-cars-for-3-separate-defects

Whiplashy

I'd completely forgotten about this issue until I got the email about new comments! Still haven't heard anything about my car. This isn't exactly an efficient recall. No one I know with a car included in the recall has been contacted!

fmcg_scribe

Whiplashy wrote: »

I'd completely forgotten about this issue until I got the email about new comments! Still haven't heard anything about my car. This isn't exactly an efficient recall. No one I know with a car included in the recall has been contacted!

Looks as if the only cars in Europe affected by this are certain Lexus models:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29625734