Creosoting paling post, anyone doing it?

Buncha Fives

For years we having been buying regular paling posts, they are good heavy paling posts from the local co-op but unfortunately they don't seem to last very long and after a few years they seem to break, where the post meets the ground, if they get the slightest tip off an animal and it is becoming a right pain and time consuming after a days work going around the farm in the evengins regularly replacing posts.

The creosoted posts are a great job and any where we do have them they have lasted very well but the only thing is they are extremely expensive. A couple of lads have mentioned to me that they know people who buy regular posts and then leave the bottom half of the post dipped in creosote for a day and then use them and they are a good job and last a long longer... anyone ever try this?

_Brian

Chap near us keeps posts soaking all the time. Mix if diesel and waste oil in a 3/4 plastic barrel.
I'd say they are hard handled but after a while soaking he says they lasts soo much longer.
Thought about it but never got round to it here.

When he uses a few posts he tosses in a few fresh ones. Says by keeping plenty of posts in the barrel it takes very little oil/diesel to top it up.

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Buncha Fives wrote: »

For years we having been buying regular paling posts, they are good heavy paling posts from the local co-op but unfortunately they don't seem to last very long and after a few years they seem to break, where the post meets the ground, if they get the slightest tip off an animal and it is becoming a right pain and time consuming after a days work going around the farm in the evengins regularly replacing posts.

The creosoted posts are a great job and any where we do have them they have lasted very well but the only thing is they are extremely expensive. A couple of lads have mentioned to me that they know people who buy regular posts and then leave the bottom half of the post dipped in creosote for a day and then use them and they are a good job and last a long longer... anyone ever try this?

Like concrete they are only dear when you are buying them, look at all the work saved going back over a job done in a few years just to save a few euro now. Yes if you immerse them in creosote it will help add a couple of years but no where near as good as the real thing because they are pressure treated in order to get the creosote to penetrate the stake by up to an inch in some places. This is why they are more expensive and last years longer.

ganmo

http://www.pdm.ie/

Proper ones are worth the money in the long run

Rovi

_Brian wrote: »

Chap near us keeps posts soaking all the time. Mix if diesel and waste oil in a 3/4 plastic barrel.
I'd say they are hard handled but after a while soaking he says they lasts soo much longer.
Thought about it but never got round to it here.

When he uses a few posts he tosses in a few fresh ones. Says by keeping plenty of posts in the barrel it takes very little oil/diesel to top it up.

Is this even legal?

Putting burned oil/diesel soaked timber into the ground doesn't sound particularly 'environmentally sensitive' to me

Reggie.

Rovi wrote: »

Is this even legal?

Putting burned oil/diesel soaked timber into the ground doesn't sound particularly 'environmentally sensitive' to me

All the ESB poles are tar coated weren't they.

_Brian

Rovi wrote: »

Is this even legal?

Putting burned oil/diesel soaked timber into the ground doesn't sound particularly 'environmentally sensitive' to me

I'd probably agree on that point, but the question posed was about post longevity.. Open to correction but Creasote itself isn't available due to environmental considerations.

ganmo

_Brian wrote: »

I'd probably agree on that point, but the question posed was about post longevity.. Open to correction but Creasote itself isn't available due to environmental considerations.

Thought it was due to it being a carcinogenic

Reggie.

_Brian wrote: »

I'd probably agree on that point, but the question posed was about post longevity.. Open to correction but Creasote itself isn't available due to environmental considerations.

When did they take it off the market

ganmo

2003, by EU directive. Professionals can use it, and theres plenty of substitutes

http://www.epa.ie/pubs/advice/waste/transfrontiershipmentofwaste/Waste%20Re-classification%2018-10-06.pdf

Rovi

According to this:
http://www.epa.ie/pubs/advice/waste/transfrontiershipmentofwaste/Waste%20Re-classification%2018-10-06.pdf
... 'real' Creosote was removed from the market by this legislation:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2003/en/si/0503.html
... in 2003.

There's a derogation:

Creosote may be used for wood treatment in
industrial installations or by professionals covered by Community legislation on the
protection of workers for in-situ retreatment only if it contains: benzo-a-pyrene at a
concentration of less than 0.005% by mass and water extractable phenols at a
concentration of less than 3% by mass. In essence primary treatment, outside an
industrial context, is expressly prohibited.

I'd suspect the ESB's use falls under this, if they actually DO use genuine Creosote.

Viewtodiefor

Rovi wrote: »

According to this:
http://www.epa.ie/pubs/advice/waste/transfrontiershipmentofwaste/Waste%20Re-classification%2018-10-06.pdf
... 'real' Creosote was removed from the market by this legislation:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2003/en/si/0503.html
... in 2003.

There's a derogation:


I'd suspect the ESB's use falls under this, if they actually DO use genuine Creosote.

You'd have to know the right man :-)

joejobrien

The homemade solution adds only a small bit of life. Spend your money wisely and buy the proplerly treated posts and put down once

lakill Farm

i think PDM supply ESB and Eircom

Rovi wrote: »

According to this:
http://www.epa.ie/pubs/advice/waste/transfrontiershipmentofwaste/Waste%20Re-classification%2018-10-06.pdf
... 'real' Creosote was removed from the market by this legislation:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2003/en/si/0503.html
... in 2003.

There's a derogation:


I'd suspect the ESB's use falls under this, if they actually DO use genuine Creosote.

foxy farmer

A neighbour of mine used to send his lads out about once a year to give every post, concrete or timber a coat of white paint. No surprise they now reside in Australia.