Teagasc Beef 2014

LivInt20

Teagasc Beef 2014 event

http://www.teagasc.ie/events/2014/20140618.asp

Anyone going along to this?

What are you looking forward to seeing or hearing?

Muckit

I wouldn't mind going, but was at it last year and wonder will they be talking about anything new?

I think they are mainly geared up for sucklers and since we are out of that game now, I don't think there will be anything for me to take out of it.

For any suckler farmer that hasn't been up there, well worth a trip if only to see their paddock and cattle housing setup.

LivInt20

I believe it is a bit different this year than from other years at Grange.

Various tents and villages from those involved in Cattle and Beef.



http://www.teagasc.ie/events/2014/Beef2014%20Ad%2018x3.pdf

farm14

What's the point in this when the lads running the factories are rogues who want all the profit themselves? Suckler farming just isn't profitable.

allbuiz

farm14 wrote: »

What's the point in this when the lads running the factories are rogues who want all the profit themselves? Suckler farming just isn't profitable.

It was when we didn't have loads of dairy bulls. Just watch what happens beef prices in 2015 and 2016.

LivInt20

farm14 wrote: »

What's the point in this when the lads running the factories are rogues who want all the profit themselves? Suckler farming just isn't profitable.

Farmers can only control aspects inside their farm gate. Grass, herd health, liveweight gain, fertility, etc.

Cannot control the price of beef, but there are many things they can control.

farm14

LivInt20 wrote: »

Farmers can only control aspects inside their farm gate. Grass, herd health, liveweight gain, fertility, etc.

Cannot control the price of beef, but there are many things they can control.

But didn't Sean coughlan in the journal say it still didn't turn into net profit all those best practices applied to his farm.

moy83

farm14 wrote: »

But didn't Sean coughlan in the journal say it still didn't turn into net profit all those best practices applied to his farm.

I thought he said that there just wasn't enough profit rather than none .

tanko

farm14 wrote: »

But didn't Sean coughlan in the journal say it still didn't turn into net profit all those best practices applied to his farm.

He said he was making a net profit of approx €18k excluding subsidies. I don't remember how many cows or acres he has.

blue5000

LivInt20 wrote: »

Farmers can only control aspects inside their farm gate. Grass, herd health, liveweight gain, fertility, etc.

Cannot control the price of beef, but there are many things they can control.

Ok we can't control prices, or the weather, or the price of inputs. So what price do you reckon beef should be to make a living? Teagasc figures have shown that the average beef farmer's income is half the industrial wage. Is this sustainable? I can't see how producing more beef/ha is the answer.

allbuiz

blue5000 wrote: »

Ok we can't control prices, or the weather, or the price of inputs. So what price do you reckon beef should be to make a living? Teagasc figures have shown that the average beef farmer's income is half the industrial wage. Is this sustainable? I can't see how producing more beef/ha is the answer.

Hitting the nail on the head, we should do what the spud men do.

Muckit

Plough a few cattle into the ground? ?

_Brian

Muckit wrote: »

Plough a few cattle into the ground? ?

That made me smile

blue5000

_Brian wrote: »

That made me smile

+1 at least P and K levels would be improving

Username John

allbuiz wrote: »

Hitting the nail on the head, we should do what the spud men do.

I thought there was very few spud men left?

larrymiller

Username John wrote: »

I thought there was very few spud men left?

Spud man near me is very well known for wrong reasons.
He is well fooked.
But then there's another one who's doing good.
Depends on how ya acted during boom years and banks IMO

allbuiz

Username John wrote: »

I thought there was very few spud men left?

It is controlled by a cartel, shrewd business men, yes some have made mistakes in boom, but so what.

Beef men would do well watching how they control supply.

larrymiller

allbuiz wrote: »

It is controlled by a cartel, shrewd business men, yes some have made mistakes in boom, but so what.

Beef men would do well watching how they control supply.

Cartel?
As In Dublin / Meath big operators?

Username John

allbuiz wrote: »

It is controlled by a cartel, shrewd business men, yes some have made mistakes in boom, but so what.

Beef men would do well watching how they control supply.

I wouldn't know too much about spuds not beef - but are they comparable in this sense?
I thought spud men would be low numbers of producers, but high volume - whereas beef would be the opposite?

allbuiz

larrymiller wrote: »

Cartel?
As In Dublin / Meath big operators?

They're that bad that they all have their own areas to rent ground in so they don't compete against each other on price for rented land.

allbuiz

Username John wrote: »

I wouldn't know too much about spuds not beef - but are they comparable in this sense?
I thought spud men would be low numbers of producers, but high volume - whereas beef would be the opposite?

Yes but it shows when producers stick together they are stronger rather squabbling and trying to outdo each other. It's time the beef men got a bit of business acumen and I'm a hobby beef man so no offense meant.

larrymiller

allbuiz wrote: »

They're that bad that they all have their own areas to rent ground in so they don't compete against each other on price for rented land.

So they are different to the normal farmer, working with each other to Benifit themselves.
Other farmers take note

jfh

Dont see a thread on this, on next wednesday 18th,

so who's going?

http://www.teagasc.ie/events/2014/20140618.asp[/url]

LivInt20

Started a thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057226874 but some clowns hijacked it talking about spuds. fecking clowns!!

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LivInt20

Anyone any comments on what they would like to see tomorrow?

blue5000

LivInt20 wrote: »

Anyone any comments on what they would like to see tomorrow?

Do you work for teagasc/ICBF?

F.D

Would like to go to it but have to do the day job, seen as they know most people in beef have full time jobs aswell why not have these things on a saturday

LivInt20

blue5000 wrote: »

Do you work for teagasc/ICBF?

No neither

RobinBanks

F.D wrote: »

Would like to go to it but have to do the day job, seen as they know most people in beef have full time jobs aswell why not have these things on a saturday

Because it would mean the Teagasc lads would have to work on there day off...........

Mad4simmental

Go back threw a few beef threads here and pick out 5 good hard questions that you feel people want to know. Go to the factory boys and stick them with the questions and see what each of them say.

Ask where they see the irish beef industry in five years time.

Crossakiel

Serious crowds at the event today http://www.agriland.ie/news/teagasc-beef-2014-pictures/

Muckit

All signing in for btap and heading home!!

tanko

Couldn't make it today. I'm dying to know what profit per hectare they are making on some of the best land in Ireland.

bogman_bass

I didnt make it till early afternoon. Most of the stands had shut up shop at that stage

Crossakiel

tanko wrote: »

Couldn't make it today. I'm dying to know what profit per hectare they are making on some of the best land in Ireland.

Think I heard figures of €700-€1100 per Hectare

farm14

Crossakiel wrote: »

Think I heard figures of €700-€1100 per Hectare

Was that gross margin or net profit?

just_did_it

farm14 wrote: »

Was that gross margin or net profit?

Could some also explain 'gross margin' ?

Crossakiel

Would imagine it has to be Gross Magin

Crossakiel

just_did_it wrote: »

Could some also explain 'gross margin' ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_margin

LivInt20

just_did_it wrote: »

Could some also explain 'gross margin' ?

Gross Margin is as follows

Sales

less
Opening Stock
Purchases

plus
Closing Stock

= Gross Output

less
Variable Costs

= Gross Margin

less Fixed Costs

plus
Single Farm Payment
Area Aid, REPS, etc

= Net Profit

patsy_mccabe

farm14 wrote: »

Was that gross margin or net profit?

I was watching Dragons Den UK last night. One guy on it, quoted his profits to date which looked very good. You could see them all sit up and take notice. When they probed a little deeper, turned out they were Gross Profits, not Net Profits. They tore him to shreads after that.
It reminded me of this whole Teagasc Beef Gross profits thing.:(