deer blood

rugermk3

looking for some deer blood to train my young pointer for the coming season, wondered if its something you could buy or would anybody on here have some for sale ? was talking to a ranger in a place with deer < wont name it > don't want risk bring trouble to his door step, he told me he`d sort me out the next time one was shot but couldn't tell me when it would happen , any advice on where to get some or on how to train the dog with it would be very helpful , cheers

Sika98k

Pity you weren't at the WDAI AGM last night. They were giving away bottles of it.
Still,contact them on Facebook. There was some left .

vincentf

If your going to use blood you need fresh blood that just collected from a shot deer and then frozen immediately until its thawed for use.
Unless that stuff at the wdai was handed out frozen theres no point using it.
All you will do is train your dog to track carrion.
An option is to go to a butcher or slaughter house and arrange to bottle blood off the beasts as they are killed etc. Immediatly freeze until your ready to use.
Again you dont want a dog trained to track carrion.
Firstly you should train your dog to trail the deer in their enviroment, slot marks from deer leave a scent.
Not all deer bleed that much when shot. If you use fresh blood use sparingly.

endasmail

Stay away from that sort of trailing, as Vinny said, go for tracking hoofs, slots. Using a small bit of blood from a wounded animal

Fallow01

vincentf wrote: »

If your going to use blood you need fresh blood that just collected from a shot deer and then frozen immediately until its thawed for use.
Unless that stuff at the wdai was handed out frozen theres no point using it.
All you will do is train your dog to track carrion.
An option is to go to a butcher or slaughter house and arrange to bottle blood off the beasts as they are killed etc. Immediatly freeze until your ready to use.
Again you dont want a dog trained to track carrion.
Firstly you should train your dog to trail the deer in their enviroment, slot marks from deer leave a scent.
Not all deer bleed that much when shot. If you use fresh blood use sparingly.

The blood available at the Wild Deer Association of Ireland AGM was frozen blood from fresh animals. They also run training events for blood tracking breeds

Big Buck

Does it really have to be that fresh? Would cows blood do for starters?

endasmail

Probably best not to use any blood or as little as possible

endasmail

Don't use cow blood

Big Buck

endasmail wrote: »

Probably best not to use any blood or as little as possible

Sorry but I'm confused, but isn't the whole point to get the dog following a blood trail left from a wounded animal? How do you do this by not using any blood?

endasmail

Big Buck wrote: »

Sorry but I'm confused, but isn't the whole point to get the dog following a blood trail left from a wounded animal? How do you do this by not using any blood?

Sometimes there is no blood to trail. Apart from a initial bit at the shot sight
So rather than having your dog trained on following a non existent blood trail. Train them to follow the tracks left behind by the hooves of the deer

Big Buck

That makes sense, so your dog follows the scent of the deer itself rather than blood. What is the best way to train this?

endasmail

Big Buck wrote: »

That makes sense, so your dog follows the scent of the deer itself rather than blood. What is the best way to train this?

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shoot to kill

I know im slightly off the topic. Was chatting to my uncle yesterday about a dog to track wounded deer. First thing he asked was I
Going bow hunting!! Between the two of us we estimated over 25 deer shot. The furthest one moved after shot was 10 yards. Reason being it was standing on a steep slope. If u cant kill the deer clean dont take the shot. For me if I had a dog for deer it wouldn't be tracking blood. It would be down the farm the next day trying to make a blood trail it's self!!

vincentf

Shoot to kill. Your correct. Nobody would argue against your point. Dont shoot unless its on, but deer are lost. Some of the most experienced deer hunters have experienced loosing a deer. Fact.
Dogs are the best way to find them.
Talking to a deer hunter recently who told me he knew of two red stages shot during the rut that ran off and were not found. No dog was used in the searches.

vincentf

I should point out that dogs are not used just to search for a shot deer thats run.
Dogs are used to wind or find deer before a shot is even taken.
This I have experience first hand with my own dog

endasmail

shoot to kill wrote: »

I know im slightly off the topic. Was chatting to my uncle yesterday about a dog to track wounded deer. First thing he asked was I
Going bow hunting!! Between the two of us we estimated over 25 deer shot. The furthest one moved after shot was 10 yards. Reason being it was standing on a steep slope. If u cant kill the deer clean dont take the shot. For me if I had a dog for deer it wouldn't be tracking blood. It would be down the farm the next day trying to make a blood trail it's self!!

I have experienced sika running after taking a bullet to the heart and lungs, in thick cover if ya havent a dog your f*cked

308 shooter

I could be wrong but I think sheep's blood can be used

staghunter

Surely you want your dog to track blood as first preference and deer scent as second preference.what if you shoot one hind in a group of ten and your dog is tuned in to tracking deer scent you could be trailling nine hinds that aren't even hit.and also if your using suitable bullets at a suitable range you should always have a blood trail once shoot placement good.if a dog is trained properly he can pick up microscopic blood droplets.just because you can't see a blood trail doesn't mean it's not there

endasmail

the training is explained in depth by lads like Rudi van Kets amongst others on the Stalking Directory
Have a look

http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/showthread.php/79902-Blood-concentrates-amp-deer-scents?highlight=deer+blood

vincentf

Its not about choosing scent mark over blood trail. The dog should be introduced to both but only a little blood at a time. Increasing distances, directional changes, over obsticals, water crossing. The handler should be competent as well. Over time a deer dog will become competent as any other gun dog if its trained and handled correctly. Theres always mistakes training any dog.
Just using blood alone is not enough to say your dog is a trained deer dog. They need exposure to tracks. The better they get , the less blood is used to make their tests harder.
Following a blood trail is easy for most dogs. One of mine on her second blood trailed in darkness through woods with intermitant gaps in blood trail and changes in direction. I used sheeps blood collected the day of the sheep being killed.