Slurry spreading - pipe system

just_did_it

Just wondering how much does slurry spreading with the pipe system cost, do they charge per hour or per bay etc.

Have a 1350 gallon tanker here, and between work, bad weather etc. I am considering selling my tank and contracting out all my slurry with the pipe system.

Just looking to see if I should keep my tank or not.

All views appreciated :-)

mahoney_j

just_did_it wrote: »

Just wondering how much does slurry spreading with the pipe system cost, do they charge per hour or per bay etc.

Have a 1350 gallon tanker here, and between work, bad weather etc. I am considering selling my tank and contracting out all my slurry with the pipe system.

Just looking to see if I should keep my tank or not.

All views appreciated :-)

If tank is paid for and trouble free keep it.idxstill cobtract out your main slurry spreading its tax deduct able ,quicker and proab cost less than if u had to pay for diesel and own time.your own tank is there as back up or if you only need to move a few loads

allbuiz

just_did_it wrote: »

Just wondering how much does slurry spreading with the pipe system cost, do they charge per hour or per bay etc.

Have a 1350 gallon tanker here, and between work, bad weather etc. I am considering selling my tank and contracting out all my slurry with the pipe system.

Just looking to see if I should keep my tank or not.

All views appreciated :-)

I rarely use the pipe as it's charged at €100 ph and €70 for set up. Therefore bill would b €500 a pop. A lot of diseal can be bought for that.

Greengrass1

allbuiz wrote: »

I rarely use the pipe as it's charged at €100 ph and €70 for set up. Therefore bill would b €500 a pop. A lot of diseal can be bought for that.

They can shift an awful lot in an hour where as you would be lucky to get 3 loads out an hour

Nekarsulm

Keep your own tanker, very handy if there is an emergency overflow of an effluent tank or whatever. Even emptying the septic tank..............
For times when you need to shift a lot of slurry, the pipes are great, I can get it out on the silage ground with the pipes and not leave a mark, when I know my own tanker and tractor would be digging drains in our Drumlin soil. You could have it out a fortnight earlier with the pipes.
Also €500 will not buy a lot of diesel anymore. Fill the tractor twice and you have half that spent, and when cows calving and sheep lambing, a week of solid spreading is a right pain.

allbuiz

Greengrass1 wrote: »

They can shift an awful lot in an hour where as you would be lucky to get 3 loads out an hour

I have a short draw, can get about 3.5 load out an hour.

just_did_it

Cheers folks, I can see the advantages of piping slurry are weighing up.

JDI

dh1985

Paid €250 to agitate and spread a 4 bay single tank at the end of march. Same job was €400 last year as it was hard agitated if thats any use to you

visatorro

595 Euro to spread 45 acres of silage ground after first cut. 30 is a two mile draw. Three tanks mixed and two tankers spreading. Wasn't a.bad price I thought seeing I'd be a week at it.
The local fella with pipes is 120 euro an hour from when he pulls in the gate til he leaves. Mixing is extra.

st1979

Price of spreading is irrelevant with out the output of each. I pay 100 including vat per hour and he puts out about 16,000 gals an hour average with pipes. I think it is brilliant job but you still need the tanker for smaller jobs and long draws on road. I reckon you could compare it with a 2600 gal tanker doing 3 load an hour is around 7000 gals an hour (tankers are never full to brim with slurry due to froth etc) and i pay about 40/hour for that so for 100 euro the tankers would spread 17000 gals. So much of a muchness in costs. But the fields would be damaged more by tankers and gateways would be in muck. Some of the uk contractors are puting out 45,000 gals an hour due to bigger pipes and double splashplates. but they charge on volume not hours

Miname

Have our own tank here but get the pipes in for all the main spreading. between costs and damaging the ground you are far better off contracting it out. the tank comes in handy for dropping a load or two and then drawing back in for mixing.

Nekarsulm

our lad charges by volume pumped. So he can take all day if he likes. He pumped about 110,000 gallons onto 32 acres in about four hours pumping. rewinding seemed to take a good while. Charged 500.

Markcheese

Nekarsulm wrote: »

our lad charges by volume pumped. So he can take all day if he likes. He pumped about 110,000 gallons onto 32 acres in about four hours pumping. rewinding seemed to take a good while. Charged 500.

Sounds a fairer system ,but I suppose some yards are more awkward than others,

st1979

Markcheese wrote: »

Sounds a fairer system ,but I suppose some yards are more awkward than others,

Yard layout doesnt affect pipe system like it does a tanker system.

Markcheese

st1979 wrote: »

Yard layout doesnt affect pipe system like it does a tanker system.

Does if there are loads of different tanks,and access points,

minktrapper

Used pipe system last week.100,000gals approx.3 different tanks.1200m pump to furthest field.Cost 1270 euros.Took 9 hours.

allbuiz

minktrapper wrote: »

Used pipe system last week.100,000gals approx.3 different tanks.1200m pump to furthest field.Cost 1270 euros.Took 9 hours.

Would the tank not be cheaper? Was it pig slurry?

minktrapper

allbuiz wrote: »

Would the tank not be cheaper? Was it pig slurry?

Cow slurry.Would the tank be cheaper?My own or a contractor?My own maybe if I had the time.Did the pipe this year on a trial basis.

allbuiz

minktrapper wrote: »

Cow slurry.Would the tank be cheaper?My own or a contractor?My own maybe if I had the time.Did the pipe this year on a trial basis.

Pipe is a good job if u have 1 big tank but €1270 is a lot for a bit of slurry. Sure u would nearly buy fertiliser cheaper.

J.O. Farmer

minktrapper wrote: »

Cow slurry.Would the tank be cheaper?My own or a contractor?My own maybe if I had the time.Did the pipe this year on a trial basis.

I don't think that the contractor would be any cheaper. If you take a 2,500 gallon tanker that would take 40 loads. I don't think that you'd get 3 out in the hour but that's over 13 hours or 1.5 what it took with the pipe.
Even if you get a 5,000 gallon tanker I don't think that it would be much quicker given the short draw.
At that your getting into big weight on the land so the pipe might be better.

Nekarsulm

minktrapper wrote: »

Used pipe system last week.100,000gals approx.3 different tanks.1200m pump to furthest field.Cost 1270 euros.Took 9 hours.

He was well paid for his day. Wouldn't do much business around here at that price.

allbuiz

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

I don't think that the contractor would be any cheaper. If you take a 2,500 gallon tanker that would take 40 loads. I don't think that you'd get 3 out in the hour but that's over 13 hours or 1.5 what it took with the pipe.
Even if you get a 5,000 gallon tanker I don't think that it would be much quicker given the short draw.
At that your getting into big weight on the land so the pipe might be better.

Yeah but the price per hour would b 40 therefore bill would be 520 for someone else and half that if u did it yourself as my Grandad used to say, when farming don't place to much value on your own time.

allbuiz

Nekarsulm wrote: »

He was well paid for his day. Wouldn't do much business around here at that price.

Dam right, 50 days of that and he'd b made up

J.O. Farmer

allbuiz wrote: »

Pipe is a good job if u have 1 big tank but €1270 is a lot for a bit of slurry. Sure u would nearly buy fertiliser cheaper.

The slurry has to be emptied anyway and 100, 000 gallons is a fair bit. It won't be cheap to spread. Compound fertiliser is well over 400 a tonne in the bag.

J.O. Farmer

allbuiz wrote: »

Yeah but the price per hour would b 40 therefore bill would be 520 for someone else and half that if u did it yourself as my Grandad used to say, when farming don't place to much value on your own time.

With the price of diesel will you get somebody to do it at 40. It probably wouldn't come to quite as much but you would probably be closer to the 1k mark given that I think it would take even longer than 13 hours.

allbuiz

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

The slurry has to be emptied anyway and 100, 000 gallons is a fair bit. It won't be cheap to spread. Compound fertiliser is well over 400 a tonne in the bag.

Yeah but if he put out after second cut when not as busy, and just used can now he would buy 4 M/T of 27% Can for that money?

allbuiz

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

With the price of diesel will you get somebody to do it at 40. It probably wouldn't come to quite as much but you would probably be closer to the 1k mark given that I think it would take even longer than 13 hours.

Even at 15 hours and €50 per hour it's still cheaper. I can get a lad at €40 per hour.

J.O. Farmer

allbuiz wrote: »

Yeah but if he put out after second cut when not as busy, and just used can now he would buy 4 M/T of 27% Can for that money?

CAN is just nitrogen. I believe something like 18.6.12 would be a better comparison to slurry nutrient wise and that is a lot more expensive.

J.O. Farmer

allbuiz wrote: »

Even at 15 hours and €50 per hour it's still cheaper. I can get a lad at €40 per hour.

The job was probably expensive enough especially when I look at the 500 Nekarsulum paid for similar although it only took maybe a bit more than half the time depending on how long it took to wind up the pipe.

allbuiz

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

CAN is just nitrogen. I believe something like 18.6.12 would be a better comparison to slurry nutrient wise and that is a lot more expensive.

Why are u making a comparison when grass dosent need more P and K. I'm talking about efficient use of your own labour rather than making a contractor up with €1270 for a day.

J.O. Farmer

allbuiz wrote: »

Why are u making a comparison when grass dosent need more P and K. I'm talking about efficient use of your own labour rather than making a contractor up with €1270 for a day.

Because you made the comparison with it being cheaper to buy the fertiliser. Also some land does need more P&K. You can't only put out the nitrogen element of the slurry. How you manage that on your own farm is up to yourself but I would have thought slurry should go on ground requiring P&K as opposed to ground that doesn't where possible.

allbuiz

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Because you made the comparison with it being cheaper to buy the fertiliser. Also some land does need more P&K. You can't only put out the nitrogen element of the slurry. How you manage that on your own farm is up to yourself but I would have thought slurry should go on ground requiring P&K as opposed to ground that doesn't where possible.

I used pig slurry most the year except in early spring or really wet weather. Just use CAN or UREA then. Use SMC also, great for worms.

minktrapper

Nekarsulm wrote: »

He was well paid for his day. Wouldn't do much business around here at that price.

Charged for 9 hrs @140 inc vat per hr.He has 3 men to pay and pump,pipes,diesel,tractors.Pipes had to rolled out and rolled in.Which is irrevalent to me.If I had to get in a tanker how much would it cost.

allbuiz

minktrapper wrote: »

Charged for 9 hrs @140 inc vat per hr.He has 3 men to pay and pump,pipes,diesel,tractors.Pipes had to rolled out and rolled in.Which is irrevalent to me.If I had to get in a tanker how much would it cost.

Do u have a 100 HP tractor or bigger?

minktrapper

allbuiz wrote: »

Do u have a 100 HP tractor or bigger?

I have

minktrapper

minktrapper wrote: »

Charged for 9 hrs @140 inc vat per hr.He has 3 men to pay and pump,pipes,diesel,tractors.Pipes had to rolled out and rolled in.Which is irrevalent to me.If I had to get in a tanker how much would it cost.

Would be a lot cheaper to get in a 2500 gal tanker,driver and tractor.

Milked out

minktrapper wrote: »

Charged for 9 hrs @140 inc vat per hr.He has 3 men to pay and pump,pipes,diesel,tractors.Pipes had to rolled out and rolled in.Which is irrevalent to me.If I had to get in a tanker how much would it cost.

Our lad with the pipe is 100/hr, Himself and a lad with him do all of it, shouldn't be a need for a third man I would have thought.

minktrapper

Milked out wrote: »

Our lad with the pipe is 100/hr, Himself and a lad with him do all of it, shouldn't be a need for a third man I would have thought.

Pipe had to go across a busy byroad.He said someone had to warn cars of ramp for insurance purposes.

Milked out

minktrapper wrote: »

Pipe had to go across a busy byroad.He said someone had to warn cars of ramp for insurance purposes.

Ah fair enough, our lad is crossing a road as well but its quiet out, bout 6 or 7 times a car/ tractor would pass while they're here, they have signage they put either side on the road and I throw 2 barrels alongside the ramps. Busy road would be different, nothing would surprise me with people rushing on the roads sometimes

allbuiz

minktrapper wrote: »

I have

Hire a 2500 tank for a day at €150 + €150 diesel and you will have earned / saved nearly €1000 for your day.

minktrapper

allbuiz wrote: »

Hire a 2500 tank for a day at €150 + €150 diesel and you will have earned / saved nearly €1000 for your day.

Can you hire one.Never heard of anyone hiring them out.I will never again get that f****r with the pipe.

Milked out

allbuiz wrote: »

Hire a 2500 tank for a day at €150 + €150 diesel and you will have earned / saved nearly €1000 for your day.

And depending on conditions done a fair bit of compaction, would also take 2 days if you have other work to do as well

minktrapper

QUOTE=Milked out;90770304]And depending on conditions done a fair bit of compaction, would also take 2 days if you have other work to do as well[/QUOTE]

I'd get over the compaction.:)

allbuiz

minktrapper wrote: »

Can you hire one.Never heard of anyone hiring them out.I will never again get that f****r with the pipe.

Yeah, there is a good lad in drumcair in Louth. Where r u?

Nekarsulm

I wouldn't get him again, that's for sure. What was he doing for 9 hours? Unless he had to agitate or draw water to the tanks in the middle of the operation. By the way, length of pipe used is mostly irrelevant, except for a 15 minutes extra rolling/unrolling time. If its runny enough to pump, the moving column of slurry draws itself along, so 800 metres or 1200 metres makes no difference.

minktrapper

allbuiz wrote: »

Yeah, there is a good lad in drumcair in Louth. Where r u?

A long ways from there.Down south.

allbuiz

minktrapper wrote: »

A long ways from there.Down south.

Done deal or google then