Fined for cycling on the pavement ?

Startup_Paul

Has anyone been fined for cycling on the pavement yet ? It doesn't seem to be stopping anyone.

ThisRegard

Paul, are you trying to start up something all over again ?

Startup_Paul

Is there a recent thread on this already ? Just wondering if they are enforcing the new law.

Raam

I cycled on the pavement briefly this morning with my 17 month old son to bring him to the creche. TAKE THAT, JOHNNY LAW!

Startup_Paul

Haha I am happy for you :-) So are you saying I cant ask certain questions on this forum? hmmm So your assuming I am in favour of the new law ??? ;-)

Raam

You can say whatever you want, I don't mind.

Startup_Paul

Ok thanks Raam ;-)

fat bloke

Only a matter of time before my 8 year old gets pepper sprayed.

tunney

Raam wrote: »

I cycled on the pavement briefly this morning with my 17 month old son to bring him to the creche. TAKE THAT, JOHNNY LAW!

Belated congrats, didn't realise there was a little Raam about. Suppose its true, love must be blind

rollingscone

Most people here strongly believe that Cyclists (young children and the very frail excepted) belong on the road. Footpath cyclists are not beloved.

That said we get an awful lot of threads started here by people looking to pick a fight with 'Cyclists' as some sort of homogeneous social grouping. Hence the sceptical reception

tunney

rollingscone wrote: »

That said we get an awful lot of threads started here by people looking to pick a fight with 'Cyclists' as some sort of homogeneous social grouping. Hence the sceptical reception

I don't think he called anyone gay????

rollingscone

tunney wrote: »

I don't think he called anyone gay????

Waaah waaah waaaaaaaaaaaauh

daragh_

Just for the record, it's 'Footpad'.

happytramp

daragh_ wrote: »

Just for the record, it's 'Footpad'.

You're getting it confused with a Victorian mugger. An easy mistake to make.

Raam

tunney wrote: »

Belated congrats, didn't realise there was a little Raam about. Suppose its true, love must be blind

This morning he stood on my head whilst I was in bed. Thought it was hilarious so he continued to kick me in the face for a few minutes. Still love him though.

Pinch Flat

Cycling on the pavement is currently illegal and if you come across a keen Guard, likely to attract at least a strong word or a fine. For competent adult cyclists who are confident on the road, I see no excuse for using a footpath. I also have seen how cyclists and pedestrians mix in pedestrian areas and on paths in continental Europe - not major problems, as long as the walkers are aware and the cyclists take it easy. The world doesn't fall in and people generally get along with out major issues. A bit of common sense goes a long way.

But there are circumstances where it's almost unavoidable here not to cycle on a footpath.

For example, where I live in Carpenterstown the cycle network is patchy - not too bad around the newer part of the estate, but hit and miss in other parts. So if I cycle to the local shop, Phoenix Park or local GAA club with my 7 year old, which we do every weekend, we'll start off by taking the cycle track. Some mornings' I'll give him a cross bar to school. But what happens when it runs out? I'll keep him on the path on the busier roads - less risky. I am teaching him road craft on the quieter estate roads, but he's to young to take on a busy road. Even in the quieter roads of our estates, drivers will still pass close, cut in front and do all sorts of crazy things.

Same goes for children cycling to school. To be applauded, and I did it myself for primary and secondary school, but traffic volumes then were much less and drivers seemed to be less aggressive and in less of a hurry to get from red light to red light. I see kids on the footpaths on my morning commute going through Lucan. Some paths in that case look wide enough to accommodate both peds and cyclists. No parent would allow their child surely to cycle along the main roads through the narrower roads that are choked with traffic. yes, they should be able and capable of doing it, but drivers cannot treat most adult cyclists properly on the road - I'm not sure what hope kids would have.

The one thing gets my own goat up is cyclists using the footpath to skip lights - so they'll cycle to a junction, then hop up on the paths, use the pedestrian crossing and then rejoin the road. Also Dublin Bikes - it seems to be almost obligatory to use these on footpaths in a haphazard and dangerous manner - was nearly taken out by a guy cycling at speed along the path at Pearse Street a few weeks back. I'm not sure if it's the profile of the users, in that they're not regular cyclists that would not feel to confident on main roads.

rollingscone

happytramp wrote: »

You're getting it confused with a Victorian mugger. An easy mistake to make.

It's footpad. Report to 'remedial Boards410' class immediately.

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2055434174

rollingscone

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Cycling on the pavement is currently illegal and if you come across a keen Guard, likely to attract at least a strong word or a fine. For competent adult cyclists who are confident on the road, I see no excuse for using a footpath. I also have seen how cyclists and pedestrians mix in pedestrian areas and on paths in continental Europe - not major problems, as long as the walkers are aware and the cyclists take it easy. The world doesn't fall in and people generally get along with out major issues. A bit of common sense goes a long way.

But there are circumstances where it's almost unavoidable here not to cycle on a footpath.

For example, where I live in Carpenterstown the cycle network is patchy - not too bad around the newer part of the estate, but hit and miss in other parts. So if I cycle to the local shop, Phoenix Park or local GAA club with my 7 year old, which we do every weekend, we'll start off by taking the cycle track. Some mornings' I'll give him a cross bar to school. But what happens when it runs out? I'll keep him on the path on the busier roads - less risky. I am teaching him road craft on the quieter estate roads, but he's to young to take on a busy road. Even in the quieter roads of our estates, drivers will still pass close, cut in front and do all sorts of crazy things.

Same goes for children cycling to school. To be applauded, and I did it myself for primary and secondary school, but traffic volumes then were much less and drivers seemed to be less aggressive and in less of a hurry to get from red light to red light. I see kids on the footpaths on my morning commute going through Lucan. Some paths in that case look wide enough to accommodate both peds and cyclists. No parent would allow their child surely to cycle along the main roads through the narrower roads that are choked with traffic. yes, they should be able and capable of doing it, but drivers cannot treat most adult cyclists properly on the road - I'm not sure what hope kids would have.

The one thing gets my own goat up is cyclists using the footpath to skip lights - so they'll cycle to a junction, then hop up on the paths, use the pedestrian crossing and then rejoin the road. Also Dublin Bikes - it seems to be almost obligatory to use these on footpaths in a haphazard and dangerous manner - was nearly taken out by a guy cycling at speed along the path at Pearse Street a few weeks back. I'm not sure if it's the profile of the users, in that they're not regular cyclists that would not feel to confident on main roads.

There's no reason for an adult cyclist to use the footpath. Children yes, the very elderly yes, but the problem is largely with able bodied adults cycling on footpaths because they're too lazy and/or ignorant to use the roads.

I see plenty of parents cycling on the road alongside the footpath where their kids are riding.

In general footpath cycling is detrimental to the promotion of cycling as a legitimate form of transport for adults and goes hand in hand with other forms of rule ignoring such as RLJing.

A classic example of footpath cycling as pure laziness is the one way section of Sth Richmond St to the canal. Where a constant flow of numpties ride the footpath or against the flow in the on road cycle lane rather than taking a 25m diversion onto Synge street which accesses a quiet parallel route to the canal.

Lumen

I saw a funny thing on the way to work yesterday.

An old man (picture a thinner but older Father Jack) was pushing his bicycle slowly along the footpad near a cluster of shops.

Jack came across a car completely blocking his way, "just resting" on the footpath as the driver waited for something or other. His only way round was to go on the road against the flow of traffic.

"Get off the path" he said loudly.
No apparent response, though I couldn't see clearly through the side window so might have missed some gesticulation.
"GET OFF THE PATH" he repeated several times, truculently.
No apparent response.
So he lifted a foot and started thumping the sole of it on the front bumper, whilst repeating GET. OFF. THE PATH. GET. OFF. THE PATH.

Classic case of movable object and resistible force.

Unfortunately at that point my light went green and I had to move off. Should have got it on video.

Skill Magill

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Cycling on the pavement is currently illegal and if you come across a keen Guard

Make your excuses and leave :pac:

CramCycle

Raam wrote: »

This morning he stood on my head whilst I was in bed. Thought it was hilarious so he continued to kick me in the face for a few minutes. Still love him though.

Mine kicks me somewhere that insinuates he wants no younger siblings, ever, its funny, just not for me.

Lumen wrote: »

Classic case of movable object and resistible force.

Unfortunately at that point my light went green and I had to move off. Should have got it on video.

He should have went around the car, but hugging it closely to stay in as close off the road as possible, if he happened to make a ding or worse, so be it, safety first :pac:

Ryath

CramCycle wrote: »

Mine kicks me somewhere that insinuates he wants no younger siblings, ever, its funny, just not for me.

Just kicking I wish I get full force bomb dives knees first!:eek:

smacl

CramCycle wrote: »

Mine kicks me somewhere that insinuates he wants no younger siblings, ever, its funny, just not for me.

Wait until they get tall enough where they think there's still plenty of room to run between your legs, but there actually isn't... ...I still flinch at the memory.

Bloggsie

CramCycle wrote: »

Mine kicks me somewhere that insinuates he wants no younger siblings, ever, its funny, just not for me.


He should have went around the car, but hugging it closely to stay in as close off the road as possible, if he happened to make a ding or worse, so be it, safety first :pac:

my 2 & a half year has unerring accuracy when it comes to connecting with his foot to my man bits. I have had kicks & full bottles dropped on me by him, my other half finsd it the funniest thing ever!

Bloggsie

Lumen wrote: »

I saw a funny thing on the way to work yesterday.

An old man (picture a thinner but older Father Jack) was pushing his bicycle slowly along the footpad near a cluster of shops.

Jack came across a car completely blocking his way, "just resting" on the footpath as the driver waited for something or other. His only way round was to go on the road against the flow of traffic.

"Get off the path" he said loudly.
No apparent response, though I couldn't see clearly through the side window so might have missed some gesticulation.
"GET OFF THE PATH" he repeated several times, truculently.
No apparent response.
So he lifted a foot and started thumping the sole of it on the front bumper, whilst repeating GET. OFF. THE PATH. GET. OFF. THE PATH.

Classic case of movable object and resistible force.

Unfortunately at that point my light went green and I had to move off. Should have got it on video.

(a little of thread)
some years ago my brother came across a car completley blocking the footpath way ahead of the stop line coming out from the blackrock clinic, he asked the driver to reverse as the rock road is no place to take a stroll, the driver refused so to my surprise and the drivers he walked across the bonnet! Thinking of it still makes me smile

Kevin3

Have I missed something? Has on-the-spot fines come in for cycling on the footpath or is it still a court summons only?

Darkglasses

Kevin3 wrote: »

Have I missed something? Has on-the-spot fines come in for cycling on the footpath or is it still a court summons only?

I *think* the on-the-spot fines have been brought in now. They're either in now, or will be shortly.

Edit: How often we'll actually see them enforced at the moment, I suspect not that much. When cycle-lanes were made non-obligatory, plenty of gardai were/are slow to find out. I presume it'll be the same story with the on-the-spot fines.

Iwannahurl

Lumen wrote: »

I saw a funny thing on the way to work yesterday.

An old man (picture a thinner but older Father Jack) was pushing his bicycle slowly along the footpad near a cluster of shops.

So he lifted a foot and started thumping the sole of it on the front bumper, whilst repeating GET. OFF. THE PATH. GET. OFF. THE PATH.

Unfortunately at that point my light went green and I had to move off. Should have got it on video.

Never mind, the scene you describe cheers me up greatly.

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Cycling on the pavement is currently illegal and if you come across a keen Guard, likely to attract at least a strong word or a fine.

There's an oxymoron in there somewhere. The way it works in my locality is that AGS themselves cycle on the footpaths. I saw two only recently, helmeted of course, cycling around a corner along a narrow footpath before crossing a roundabout anti-clockwise. The same pair were spotted by a senior citizen on a busy footpath last year and when she gave out to them they replied "where do you expect us to cycle?"

BoardsMember

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Never mind, the scene you describe cheers me up greatly.




There's an oxymoron in there somewhere. The way it works in my locality is that AGS themselves cycle on the footpaths. I saw two only recently, helmeted of course, cycling around a corner along a narrow footpath before crossing a roundabout anti-clockwise. The same pair were spotted by a senior citizen on a busy footpath last year and when she gave out to them they replied "where do you expect us to cycle?"

I dont think AGS need to obey the law, the are the law and are above the law, and they are also liable to waive the law when someone they know breaks it.

Or that's the logical conclusion I have come to based on my dealings with them in relation to cycling.

Once, when a squad car completely cut me off and sent me flying, and then gave out to me for not giving way to him, and asked me for my name and address in an aggressive/menacing way when I stood up for myself. The car had been turning right into the station, and someone had given way in the static oncoming traffic, but he hadnt checked for cyclists. Then he tried to tell me he had his lights & siren on, the big dozey eejit.

The second was a classic, a Garda ten feet away from me as I step off the path crossing at a green man, lorry hurtles round the corner from my right, through a red light, and only due to my cat-like reactions, I wasnt mown down. In shock and disbelief I say to the Garda "did you see that....are you going to do something about that?! to, to which he replied....sure I know him. :eek:

I know it is probably just one or two numb-nuts that give them a bad name

Muahahaha

Can I just ask who has right of way when there is one of those cycle lanes on the footpath and it ends to cross over a junction and then begins again. If a car is exiting the minor road to enter onto the major road and a bike arrives at the same time who has right of way ?

rollingscone

Muahahaha wrote: »

Can I just ask who has right of way when there is one of those cycle lanes on the footpath and it ends to cross over a junction and then begins again. If a car is exiting the minor road to enter onto the major road and a bike arrives at the same time who has right of way ?

It seems like the courts are interpreting it as a junction.

Muahahaha

Do you mean it is a junction for the cyclist as well as the car ? Who would have right of way ? It's a weird one because the cyclist is on a cycle lane that runs parallel to the major road so a motorist entering that major road has to cross over the pathway of cyclists to do so. I would have thought it would make sense to have road markings indicating it is still a cycle lane and motorists should exercise caution but instead it seems like a very grey area

rollingscone

In the case I'm thinking of it was taken that it was upon the cyclist to yield at the intersection of cycle lane and ensure it was safe to proceed. In terms of giving way to traffic from your right as normal, I'm not sure. It would make sense to apply the same rule, but that's the entire problem with offroad cycle lanes (there seems to be a double standard with on-road cycle lanes in terms of whether they're treated as lanes of traffic also).