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antibiotics and bulk tank

  • 02-06-2014 8:00pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭


    Ok people serious question here.

    Tonight as I was milking i got two cows mixed up, both were not allowed into the tank (one high cell count and the other was tubed for mastisis)

    the cow with the high cell count was 14 and the tubed cow was 148 but it had a dirty back end and i thought it was 14.

    So I milked the cow, held the milk and put the milk into the bucket I let the cows out and up 2 rows later came 14!

    The jar was not cleaned out and there was possibly a bit of milk left in the line from the cluster to the jar which would have gotten into the jar and onto the bulk tank

    The cow was tubed on saturday evening so this is 48 hours and it needs another 24 hours to the antibiotic is out of it.

    Also this milking was the 4th milking with the milk being taken away in the morning.

    The boss is taking a sample of the tank to the factory tommorrow to get it tested but should we be worried over this? or is the little milk in the line plus the 48 hour period and it being diluted in the tank enough to get us away?

    This is not to stop him going tomorrow but just to give me peace of mind
    as I'm really kicking myself over a school boy error!


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    I'd be 99% sure you'll escape, I definitely wouldn't be sweating over it. I take it you use some sort of red marker on the cows as well as just the FB number to identify them? What I usually do with AB cows is put 3 bits of red tape on the tail, this is in part incase one bit of tape falls off, but mostly so as the cow really stands out from any other cows who I might be keeping for say SCC or any other reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭EastTyrone


    thats what he said too only his wife is a real panicker and it was me and her in the parlour by ourselves he was away to sillage. their both marked the same colour wise and both 4 titers so couldnt tell the difference in them at all.
    Aye we use tape on ours too one ring on the tail for high cell and tape on the ankles and tail for tubed but the tape was of one ankle on the side facing us and that threw me too.

    Its just put me in bad form that i could have let it happen, its just lucky that the cow would have been held anyway!

    But thanks for that :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Timmaay wrote: »
    I'd be 99% sure you'll escape, I definitely wouldn't be sweating over it. I take it you use some sort of red marker on the cows as well as just the FB number to identify them? What I usually do with AB cows is put 3 bits of red tape on the tail, this is in part incase one bit of tape falls off, but mostly so as the cow really stands out from any other cows who I might be keeping for say SCC or any other reason.

    I'd say Timmaay is right. Could you contact tanker driver. All glanbia drivers have a testing kit. You could leave a sample at a neighbour who is before you on the route.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    You have no worries.

    A tip, yellow tape on tail. Only yellow as can always be seen.

    We always seperate penicillin cows for this very reason.

    Get your boss to invest in a test kit. Charm is the one I'd recommend. I found the Delvovtoo slow. Charm takes 3 minutes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭A cow called Daisy


    Can you bring sample to creamery this evening? Tell them it tank sample and they can do test and have result in 15 mins. Would be good to know before letting morning's milk into tank. Would also mean if it positive you could have tank emptied and washed for morning.
    Depends a bit on cow as well. Have seen cows here having
    longer withdrawal times with same tube


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,626 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Did the same myself this spring. Half asleep milking one morning. It's sickening. Most lads milking cows have done it at some stage


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    EastTyrone wrote: »
    Its just put me in bad form that i could have let it happen, its just lucky that the cow would have been held anyway!

    Honestly anyone who says they have never ever accidentally letoff a cows milk is 100% telling a lie ha! All you can do is your best and it sounds as if you have it fairly well nailed down most of the time, and this sounds like more of a totally unlucky fluke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭EastTyrone


    Thanks men for your reply was sort of sure myself but completely dunging them! Been milking with them now 10 months and its been going grand to last few days and just everything has went up the left and made me completely depressed! Especially saying their massive panickers! Tomorrow s miking is going to be fun :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭milkprofit


    EastTyrone wrote: »
    Thanks men for your reply was sort of sure myself but completely dunging them! Been milking with them now 10 months and its been going grand to last few days and just everything has went up the left and made me completely depressed! Especially saying their massive panickers! Tomorrow s miking is going to be fun :(
    Red on both legs and tail

    Tip always use red for danger tape or spray
    Use any other colour for scc tree tit etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭milkprofit


    milkprofit wrote: »
    Red on both legs and tail

    Tip always use red for danger tape or spray
    Use any other colour for scc tree tit etc

    Also always mark before treatment


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭milkprofit


    milkprofit wrote: »
    Red on both legs and tail

    Tip always use red for danger tape or spray
    Use any other colour for scc tree tit etc

    Also always mark before treatment


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    EastTyrone wrote: »
    Ok people serious question here.

    Tonight as I was milking i got two cows mixed up, both were not allowed into the tank (one high cell count and the other was tubed for mastisis)

    the cow with the high cell count was 14 and the tubed cow was 148 but it had a dirty back end and i thought it was 14.

    So I milked the cow, held the milk and put the milk into the bucket I let the cows out and up 2 rows later came 14!

    The jar was not cleaned out and there was possibly a bit of milk left in the line from the cluster to the jar which would have gotten into the jar and onto the bulk tank

    The cow was tubed on saturday evening so this is 48 hours and it needs another 24 hours to the antibiotic is out of it.

    Also this milking was the 4th milking with the milk being taken away in the morning.

    The boss is taking a sample of the tank to the factory tommorrow to get it tested but should we be worried over this? or is the little milk in the line plus the 48 hour period and it being diluted in the tank enough to get us away?

    This is not to stop him going tomorrow but just to give me peace of mind
    as I'm really kicking myself over a school boy error!

    If I remember correctly, more than 80% of the antibiotic would be gone after 48 hours depending on the product. Then the amount of contaminated milk would be less than 100ml in the milk line and cup. If there are 50 cows giving 20l a day, 3000l in the tank, 0.3% of the milk would be contaminated and even this would have 20% antibiotic concentration in it so 0.06% levels.

    Sleep easy, I would say.

    But DO get a sample checked before collection. Its cheaper to dump the milk than buy a full tanker of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭A cow called Daisy


    How did milk sample test go?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭pms7


    I've had a cow go in early in treatment but test said OK. I did it twice in case tank not agitated enough, clear again. Couldn't believe it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,332 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    pms7 wrote: »
    I've had a cow go in early in treatment but test said OK. I did it twice in case tank not agitated enough, clear again. Couldn't believe it.
    dont think mastitis tubes are too bad, dry cow tubes are the bad ones, got done a few years ago and it was dry cow tubes. Happens us all at some stage no matter how careful you are


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Agreed, it depends on the cow also, and how far up the tube goes into the udder, the hold days really are just a guideline as to how early the manufacturer is happy the tubes will definitely be out of the cows system.


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