Doing 2 martial arts at the same time?

Oki9Sedo!

I've been doing Krav Maga for a year and really enjoy it. I am interested in taking up a second martial art because I just really enjoy the whole thing in general. I don't really know which one - Jiu Jitsu, Aikido, TKD, they all look good. Is training in two different systems a no no? Is this something that should only be done after you have a few years in your main system?

cletus

As long as you've the time, it makes no difference

Zen65

There should be no issue with training in more than one martial art. It really depends on your training motivation.

I have met a number of people over the last thirty years who are very proficient in two or more MA's. That number is probably less than 10.

On the other hand I have met very many people who studied more than one martial art and were fairly incompetent at each of them. That in itself is not a reason not to train in more than one art, because the bottom line is that if you're having fun and enjoying yourself it is not too important how good you are.

If your objective is to be skilled in the arts you study then probably it is best to concentrate mainly on one until you reach a reasonably high level of proficiency and then diversify. There is a lot of commonality between the various arts so when you become good at one the core skill is typically transferable to others. That should not mean you don't take up a second art now, but rather that you should concentrate the bulk of your effort on one.

But keep enjoying it, that's the key!

cletus

OP, ma's are probably the only activity her people are recommended not to do something else at the same time, for fear of either not being able to become super gaiden level 10 in one of the chosen arts due to splitting your time, or learning the "wrong" thing at the other art.

The fact is that the vast majority of people doing ma in this country are doing so recreationally, just like every other activity.

People do not get concerned if somebody is playing club soccer and doing triathalon training, or swimming and playing lawn bowls, or any other combination of two recreational activities you can think of. It should be no diffeeent for krav maga and whatever other activity you choose, ma or otherwise

Niall Keane

It depends...

Say you do karate or TKD and Kung Fu and you want to compete?

Well most karate and TKD compete in light or semi contact point fighting meaning in and out hoppy movement
Kung Fu competes in sanda - full contact and one should not stop until opponent is off the lei tai or downed.
One 'touches' the opponent the other focused s on impact. This means totally different impact and so range semi contact will train to touch 'reaching out' for opponent the full contact will involve footwork that closes distance to create impact in strikes.

Two completely different methods and mindsets, mix at your peril or if you just like giving opponents a walk over?

One can go still deeper into the power generation methods of a style take the upper body localised generation of power in Wing Tsun chain punching to maximise speed, it is completely at odds with the power generation of Tai Chi Chuan where the classics say "power is generat d in the legs, controlled by the waist and expressed in the hands and fingertips". WT tends to fight square on, TCC with angles. William Cheung for example was koed by Cheng Tin Hung when the former was bullying CTH's Uncles TCC health class, Cheng Tin Hung circumvented Williams chain punches with a t chnique called " as if shutting a door" throwing his head onto concrete.

Over the past 20 years I've trained many people from across a number of disciplines - some fight like western fencers - with side on long stances that lock up their hips and make them vunerable to sweeps - it takes ages to retrain them to abandon this sickness!

cletus

Niall, children across the country compete in multiple sports at the same time, some very similar, some wildly different, and nobody suggests that the child will suddenly become confused and, for example, catch the ball in a game of soccer because they have also benn training in Gaelic football.

Unless the OP is involved in an activity at such a high level as to preclude any other forms of trianing, then theree is no reason why he or she should not take up another ma.

If the question was I currentl train krav, and was thinking of taking up rock climbing, would anybody suggest not to?

Niall Keane

cletus wrote: »

Niall, children across the country compete in multiple sports at the same time, some very similar, some wildly different, and nobody suggests that the child will suddenly become confused and, for example, catch the ball in a game of soccer because they have also benn training in Gaelic football.

Unless the OP is involved in an activity at such a high level as to preclude any other forms of trianing, then theree is no reason why he or she should not take up another ma.

If the question was I currentl train krav, and was thinking of taking up rock climbing, would anybody suggest not to?

But it is not as clear cut as rock climbing and karate, its punching and kicking, and the (ingrained through training) tactics, to land such that are poles apart. I see this all the time when people cross over, they are destroyed in full contact and when you watch even the best pull off a strike or two suddenly they pull back out of range releasing the pressure on their opponent for no reason what so ever - this is ingrained bad habit from semi or light contact.

Im not talking about elite levels, of course elite athletes require specialisation, I'm just talking about amateur sports people being totally overwhelmed and frustrated knowing they could do better but unable to identify what makes them fcuk up! (Why did i do that???) We know - they train incorrectly - they train to fail!

When it comes to styles and learning how a style uses body mechanics it can take a lot of effort, after all gung Fu means time and effort, if one trains a complimentary style great, if its contrary then one will slow the progress of another. Either the student or the teacher will give up!

cletus

Niall Keane wrote: »

But it is not as clear cut as rock climbing and karate, its punching and kicking, and the (ingrained through training) tactics, to land such that are poles apart. I see this all the time when people cross over, they are destroyed in full contact and when you watch even the best pull off a strike or two suddenly they pull back out of range releasing the pressure on their opponent for no reason what so ever - this is ingrained bad habit from semi or light contact.

Im not talking about elite levels, of course elite athletes require specialisation, I'm just talking about amateur sports people being totally overwhelmed and frustrated knowing they could do better but unable to identify what makes them fcuk up! (Why did i do that???) We know - they train incorrectly - they train to fail!

When it comes to styles and learning how a style uses body mechanics it can take a lot of effort, after all gung Fu means time and effort, if one trains a complimentary style great, if its contrary then one will slow the progress of
another. Either the student or the
teacher will give up!

Then liken it to somebody playing soccer, and being told that they
should'nt play Gaelic football, as the ingrained ball kicking habits will be such that such that either you will quit out of frustration or your coach will ask you to leave.

At the end of the day, as human beings we manage to aquire the motor skills for a vast array of activities, martial arts should be no different. For anybody here to suggest to the OP, that they should consider not taking on a new physical activity, they are doing that person a great dis-service

Peetrik

Maybe try something that has regular/accessible amateur and professional competition, Boxing, MMA, Thai, BJJ, Judo etc.

If you are trying to step up your training, clubs that compete tend to offer the option of training multiple times a week plus competing can be a lot of fun.

Niall Keane

cletus wrote: »

Then liken it to somebody playing soccer, and being told that they
should'nt play Gaelic football, as the ingrained ball kicking habits will be such that such that either you will quit out of frustration or your coach will ask you to leave.

At the end of the day, as human beings we manage to aquire the motor skills for a vast array of activities, martial arts should be no different. For anybody here to suggest to the OP, that they should consider not taking on a new physical activity, they are doing that person a great dis-service

No, Instead liken it to people who play any football being introduced to a game where you must kick / touch the ball but not move it and first one to touch got a 2 Meter progression to other side. Now imagine that lad is also down at GAA or soccer and the coach is trying to train him to get distance and targeting into his kick and move strategically around the field rather than blindly rushing for first touch! if you honestly cannot see a disconnect then I'm not going to try and convince you.

Stillweak

Zen65 wrote: »

I have met a number of people over the last thirty years who are very proficient in two or more MA's. That number is probably less than 10.

Have you ever seen the UFC? Do you think any of those athletes are proficient in more than one martial art?

Dyr

Stillweak wrote: »

Have you ever seen the UFC? Do you think any of those athletes are proficient in more than one martial art?

Depends on how you define a martial art. They are proficient in a single ruleset

Would you think someone beginning muay thai is going to encounter problems if they take up WTF TKD as well?

CIARAN_BOYLE

Stillweak wrote: »

Have you ever seen the UFC? Do you think any of those athletes are proficient in more than one martial art?

They are proficient in playing to a set of rules.

If you took Lyoto Machida out of UFC and put him in a national championships of Shotokan Karate I'd say he wouldn't really impress that much.

FTA69

At the end of the day they are usually proficient in striking and very proficient in grappling. There's no reason why the OP can't train in two disciplines at one. MMA fighters do so regularly and are arguably the most competent fighters in the world.

Peetrik

Stillweak wrote: »

Have you ever seen the UFC? Do you think any of those athletes are proficient in more than one martial art?

I'd agree with this. Not just fighting professionally but getting a UFC contract would imply that you are at least 'proficient' at striking arts and grappling arts.

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

If you took Lyoto Machida out of UFC and put him in a national championships of Shotokan Karate I'd say he wouldn't really impress that much.

You'll have to clarify here, are you talking about kata competitions or the actual (kumate?) fighting part of a competition? Because if you are talking about fighting then I'd fancy any UFC signed fighter against lads like these...

Zen65

Stillweak wrote: »

Have you ever seen the UFC? Do you think any of those athletes are proficient in more than one martial art?

Critically, I used the term 'have met' as opposed to 'have seen'. I have met and know hundreds of martial artists and while some of them may be good, and some excellent, I rarely meet the elite members of this sporting grouping. I consider the ones I have met to be more typical of the grouping. For every UFC competitor there are probably 100 or more people who do more than one martial art.

To look at the UFC competitors as if they were representative is like responding to your son's suggestion of becoming a professional actor with "great idea son, sure isn't that Tom Cruise guy is worth millions? If he can do it . . ."


Z

Stillweak

I wasnt been critical or argumentative, just suggesting there are thousands (ufc fighters being the best example) of people who are great at 2 or more MAs.
I also take the view that for every UFC level fighter there are thousands who are very poor at MMA.
Anyway this isnt ''mma versus....'', just using ufc as a quick example.

My own view on the original post would be to try a few arts to see what you enjoy but stick to one. ( none of the ones you mentioned though )

cletus

This has moved off topic into the realms of professional sports.

The fact is there is no barrier other than time/money constraints that would prevent the OP from taking up a new art.

The idea of confusing the two arts, or not being able to adapt properly is specious reasoning. As a PE teacher I introduce new activities, or modified activities all the time to my students. These may include variations on sports they have played where ball control, traveling, contact etc. are altered, or they may be games or activities that the students have never seen or tried before.

For the most part students adapt quickly to these new challenges, and pick up the rudimentary skills quickly enough to make passable attempt at playing the game. The one constant here is that those students who have developed good gross and fine motor skills from playing regular sports are the ones to adapt quickest to the new environment

If we look at a new comer to a martial arts class, and see some type of prior training or motor skill development as a "sickness" to quote Niall Keane, then maybe the issue lies with the coaches expectations, rather than the student, who, after all, is paying hard earned money to take part in a recreational activity.

Niall Keane

cletus wrote: »

This has moved off topic into the realms of professional sports.

The fact is there is no barrier other than time/money constraints that would prevent the OP from taking up a new art.

The idea of confusing the two arts, or not being able to adapt properly is specious reasoning. As a PE teacher I introduce new activities, or modified activities all the time to my students. These may include variations on sports they have played where ball control, traveling, contact etc. are altered, or they may be games or activities that the students have never seen or tried before.

For the most part students adapt quickly to these new challenges, and pick up the rudimentary skills quickly enough to make passable attempt at playing the game. The one constant here is that those students who have developed good gross and fine motor skills from playing regular sports are the ones to adapt quickest to the new environment

If we look at a new comer to a martial arts class, and see some type of prior training or motor skill development as a "sickness" to quote Niall Keane, then maybe the issue lies with the coaches rather than the student, who, after all, is paying hard earned money to take part in a recreational activity.

Christ....
As I
said it depends...

Let's make this real simple, ill use my experience as national coach to an IOC recognised combat sport. This opinion im sharing is shared by people such as my good friend Henk Vurshur for example - an Olympic bronze medalist in Judo, mentioned as mentor by Hoost amongst many other coaching and competing achievements, this opinion is based on scientific research into combat sports carried out by national Olympic bodies worldwide.

To make it simple though it cones down to specialisation and ingrained / conditioned responses.

So let's take MMA and Sanda for a real good example.
Many MMA lads have competed in sanda - and many have left bewildered as to why what seems like a close fight ends up a clear victory for the opponent.
Why? Usually be cause the MMA guy kneels down before shooting for the legs (I hope I'm describing this well enough) now by doing this he has given the opponent 2 points! So although he lands on top and expects to gain a point for an unclean throw he actually loses. This can add up fast!

See the MMA lad I'm offering as example trains judo for wrestling and as his art includes submissions his ethos and tactics is to bring down the opponent and to gain advantageous position for ground game.

On the other hand sanda comes from kung Fu - ie from an art that specialises in cold weapons along with empty hand. As such the aim is to throw the opponent and remain standing / bounce back out of range.

Mechanically the difference is this...

The concept of void - the direction where we don't have legs / supports (so push or pull at someone in the direction of a leg and they can resist, on the other hand lightly pat them into the direction where they have no leg and they topple)

Now gung Fu throws will aim to throw the opponent through in the direction of the opponents void but also twisting during the throw to ensure that direction lines up with our legs / substantial. ( the more astute of you will recognise the theory of yin - yang in this)

Judo from my limited experience of practitioners seem to like to kneel / fall through their void to add their falling dead weight to a shoot for example making for deeper harder to counter throws but ones with little hope of remaining upright. Why should they the game continues.

Now try that with a razor sharp sabre landing all tangled up between you and your opponent and perhaps you take on too much risk?

So after this single example i should hope makes clear the logic of my view perhaps one can accept that as I said earlier - "it depends'???

If arts are complimentary great

If not you could be training bad habits as i said before a " sickness" - I was hoping someone may have been aware that this is the traditional term used for stylistically incorrect application of force in a technique.

Perhaps I push the bar too high at times?

cletus

You dont push the bar too high at all Niall. I think we are slightly at cross-purposes here. What you are talking about is the expectations of a coach and his competitive fighter when dealing with the nuances of competitive sport.

What I am talking about is the ability of an individual, on a recreational basis (Krav Maga for 1 year would suggest this), to walk into another club, but it kung fu, tkd, jiu-jitsu or anything else, and be able to take part in that art.

Nothing about their previous training would prevent the above happening. They could quite happily train in both arts without any serious negative impact on either one

Dave Joyce

Nothing about their previous training would prevent the above happening.

Absolutely

They could quite happily train in both arts without any serious negative impact on either one

COULD but more than likely NOT the case. It all depends on whether the arts compliment each other in that I mean are the concepts/principles of each art conflicting?? For example, while Hard Style Gong Fu with Taiji, or Karate with Yoga (I know its not a martial art but as an example that a very good friend of mine combines) can compliment each other I would think Karate and say Aikido would conflict with each other.

A lot of Filipino systems would be very difficult to train alongside Iaido or Jo training as another example.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Peetrik wrote: »

You'll have to clarify here, are you talking about kata competitions or the actual (kumate?) fighting part of a competition? Because if you are talking about fighting then I'd fancy any UFC signed fighter against lads like these...

A particularly messy example but I understand your point.

Any ufc fighter would beat the living **** out of those guys in a real fight but I would be willing to bet that either of those guys would beat a ufc fighter in a kumite match.

That said I wouldn't want to consider 'sport karate' as the highpoint of karate from a self defence perspective. There are very few specialist sports karatekas that are more than a fancy dance (kata) or a game of tag (kumite).

A game of tag isn't a fight.

Nor is an MMA match. Its closer to a fight yes but its not a fight.

Anyway my point was that a martial art is constrained by the rules applied in its competition and that most people find it difficult to adjust to different rules when performing a similar activity.

cletus

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

most people find it difficult to adjust to different rules when performing a similar activity.

They don't, though. I see people every day in my job adjusting to different rules with ease

Niall Keane

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Anyway my point was that a martial art is constrained by the rules applied in its competition and that most people find it difficult to adjust to different rules when performing a similar activity.

spot on!

My own Sifu, himself Open Weight champ of 1980 SE Asian games, advises that "technique suffers under pressure", he is right and we revert to what we are comfortable with.

So the movement in the clip posted of Karate sport fighting displayed hoppy movement and quick in and out reflexes with touches. This obviously works very well for those rules given the athletes there were at world level in their sport.

Now this is not the same as Saenchai's movement in MT, nor Salihov's in Sanda, however Saenchai has fought mixed rules MT / Sanda and Salihov has fought under Sanda rules obviously, but also under MT, K1 etc. etc. as these arts are relatively similar, and lots of successful cross over athletes exist.

My point earlier about Judo and most Gung Fu styles Shuai Jiao is that the method clashes at fundamentals.

Again technique suffers under pressure.... so if I'm training someone up for tuishou (no jacket stand up chinese wrestling) and working on method, tactics and strategy with an athlete and he spends as much time a week performing easier "sacrifice" throws that can be pulled off with direct entry and not so much concern for retaining balance, well guess what way he's going to throw his opponent under pressure? And it will be lots of effort with "nil points".

Conversely say some lad is competing in BJJ and trains with me 3 times a week aswell. I'm sure if he starts slamming his opponents onto the mats and pouncing back out of range into a standing guard, his BJJ coach is going to go nuts wondering why he cant simply follow the opponent to ground and use the throw to set up a submission. The coach mightn't even know the lad is training with me and vice versa, he might show him UFC footage of how to use takedowns to set up submissions and boyo will be back to me falling into throws driving me nuts! He will mention seeing it on Youtube from a UFC match and I'll probably show him pro- Sanda and Chinese MMA like Art of War FC match where one CAN soccer kick a downed opponent and he will notice how the dynamics of that GAME is therefore different. I'll probably tell him to concentrate on what he has been shown first as he needs to learn to crawl before he can run.

Now its very good to gain experience out side of the door with other arts, there's no point, in my opinion, from a martial arts / self defence perspective, in learning say TCC only to be able to deal with TCC opponents.

So I've given an example of how Japanese and Chinese arts can clash in approach, and the very valid and martial correct reasons for this, this can be useful for a fighter to understand in a mixed format or in self defence, it allows their awareness to grow, but I think such appreciation only occurs when one has a solid base in a single art / approach first, then one can decide what is right and useful for their own approach. Simply put one can borrow tricks but in a way that doesn't undermine their already hard earned ingrained techniques, tactics and strategy.

Take boxing guards and being either orthodox or south paw, enter full contact events with good low kickers and keep to a single guard and half-steps and lets see if you can stand up the week after? Now if you are clever you can use this to tempt an opponent, practice hard on springing back and forward perhaps, i.e. use it as a trigger. But your work is cut out for you, would be a lot easier to be able to switch guard and fight left right, forward and back. Great... if you already understand the dynamics, but it has been demonstrated over and over again that a boxer who cannot understand this shouldn't go near such a format.

Of course there are exceptions that prove the rule, and of course many view themselves as exceptional in their own personal movie!

Does this matter for the novice? Well a novice should at first probably explore as much as they can to find what art suits them.

But there does come a stage, and early on, when one needs to adopt an approach, pick a style or two or three if they compliment and thoroughly investigate it. Know how it works.

.....if one is serious.

The OP is new to the world of truth and lies (martial arts), perhaps its just recreation for him, in which case there is never going to be a problem with doing a different sport every week. But never the less he asked a question that might suggest he is "serious" or intends to be, so fair play to him! as such I offer my opinion, for what its worth. And I'll leave him with the old adage to consider:

"one hundred blades, none of them sharp!"

Dyr

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Nor is an MMA match. Its closer to a fight yes but its not a fight.

Gwan ourra dat, it is.

Mellor

A bit of multi quoting here, so bare with me please.

Niall Keane wrote: »

Well most karate and TKD compete in light or semi contact point fighting meaning in and out hoppy movement
Kung Fu competes in sanda - full contact and one should not stop until opponent is off the lei tai or downed.
One 'touches' the opponent the other focused s on impact. This means totally different impact and so range semi contact will train to touch 'reaching out' for opponent the full contact will involve footwork that closes distance to create impact in strikes.

Two completely different methods and mindsets, mix at your peril or if you just like giving opponents a walk over?

That's is fair enough Niall, there will be ingrained habits there. And the two arts are doing the same thing but doing it completely differently. A lot of striking proficiency comes from muscle memory, conscience decides to punch, kick, etc but the precise movements are subconscious.

On the other hand IMO it's easier to deal with with conflicting grappling rulesets. Where there's a lot of overlap, and you could leave out the illegal techniques in the other. ie Freestyle vrs greco.
A judoka or bjj player not going for chokes in a sambo mach etc.

I know a good few people train, compete, enjoy more than one grappling art.

Bambi wrote: »

Depends on how you define a martial art. They are proficient in a single ruleset

TBF, most if not all are proficient in a the arts that make up their MMA. They might not be elite in both.
I'm just referign to them in general, the the subset that would compete at a high level in their other MA.

Niall Keane wrote: »

So let's take MMA and Sanda for a real good example.
Many MMA lads have competed in sanda - and many have left bewildered as to why what seems like a close fight ends up a clear victory for the opponent.
Why? Usually be cause the MMA guy kneels down before shooting for the legs (I hope I'm describing this well enough) now by doing this he has given the opponent 2 points! So although he lands on top and expects to gain a point for an unclean throw he actually loses. This can add up fast!

I understand your point at the difference is rules (and reasons for same) between the two. And its bad luck to the bewildered MMA lad. But thats an example of somebody giving Sanda a go, and not knowing the rules. Surely if he trained Sanda once or twice this would of been pointed out. Even if he reverted to his preferred shoot under pressure, at the very least he wouldn't be left bewildered with the scoring.


Regardless to ALL of the above, it should be obvious that some styles are in conflict, some are neutral and others can even help each other through cross-training.
But why are we going down the road of hypothetical conflicting and complementary pairings. The OP isn't doing any of the arts previously mentioned. He is asking about a specific MA. He is studying Krav Maga. This is not a sport MA, there are no "rules" or illegal technques, afaik there's is no competitive aspect whatsoever. So, I can't see a reason why in his case, more so than any other he could add in almost any other full contact MA. Boxing, muay thai, kung fu, sanda, judo, bjj, wrestling, sambo...etc

cowzerp

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Nor is an MMA match. Its closer to a fight yes but its not a fight.

Yes it is.

Gumbi

Peetrik wrote: »

I'd agree with this. Not just fighting professionally but getting a UFC contract would imply that you are at least 'proficient' at striking arts and grappling arts.



You'll have to clarify here, are you talking about kata competitions or the actual (kumate?) fighting part of a competition? Because if you are talking about fighting then I'd fancy any UFC signed fighter against lads like these...

On a side not look up Lyoto's tutorials on YouTube, karate in MMA. Pretty sweet. But I agree with the underlying sentiment you are conveying.

As for the OP, I say cross train all you like as long as you have the time. I curently train Japanese JJ, BJJ and MMA 5- 6 days a week and am thinking of mixing in some boxing soon to more quickly improve my lacklustre striking game.

Michael O Leary

Niall Keane wrote: »

take the upper body localised generation of power in Wing Tsun chain punching to maximise speed, it is completely at odds with the power generation of Tai Chi Chuan where the classics say "power is generat d in the legs, controlled by the waist and expressed in the hands and fingertips". WT tends to fight square on, TCC with angles. William Cheung for example was koed by Cheng Tin Hung when the former was bullying CTH's Uncles TCC health class, Cheng Tin Hung circumvented Williams chain punches with a t chnique called " as if shutting a door" throwing his head onto concrete.

I know this thread is a few months old now but I just came across it and wanted to make a few pointers. The quotation regarding power in Tai Chi is very interesting and I feel also applies to Wing Tsun.

The first form, Siu-Nim-Tau, not only teaches simple hand movements. It also teaches students how to create and maintain a bio-mechanically straight spine while performing the hand movements. When we punch we actually use the whole body. However people only see the joints being moved by the muscles working under concentric tension. What they fail to see is the muscles working under co-activation/co-contraction to keep the spine stable thereby minimising recoil upon impact.

The second form, Cham-Kiu introduces more complex hand movements as well as turns, steps, kicks which involves hip and waist rotation. Various maxims will state that the Cham-Kiu trains the stance and the waist and turning the stance with a circular motion will allow superior generation of power.

Then the third and more advanced form Biu-Tze translates as thrusting fingers. It is less about jabbing people in the eyes and more about delivering force through the whole arm instead of clenching the fist too tightly.

So in summary we start by focusing on a good stance which involves the feet, legs and spine. We then start working on the turning of the waist to dissolve our opponents force as well as to deliver a powerful counter attack and then we focus on delivering power through the whole arm.

Also in relation to fighting square on, this is only used against a weak opponent or in a very close range situation. Ideally we prefer to angle ourselves at our opponents flank. One of the maxims tells us, "Do not collide with a strong opponents; with a weak opponent use a direct frontal assault.

Interesting story about William Cheung and Cheng Tin Hung. His "Traditional Wing Chun" (TWC) is very different from almost all other Wing Tsun/Chun. He claims that Yip Man taught only him the traditional Wing Chun when he was a teenager and all other students, including Yip Man's own sons a modified, inferior art. He then went to Australia when he was 18 and after Yip Man died told all of the other Hong Kong instructors they were doing Wing Chun wrong and set himself up as Yip Man's heir. I personally think his Wing Chun is very bad, not because it is different from ours but because it looks like it cannot work effectively on a bio-mechanical level. But then he is into some of the more dubious Dim-Mak stuff which shows his mindset.

Interesting subject however.

Michael