God or Aliens definitely exist

shadowcomplex

If you think about it if we really are alone amongst the millions of galaxies than that's a good indication that God must exist, on the other hand given the fact space is so vast surely there has to be Alien intelligent life out there

Brian Shanahan

shadowcomplex wrote: »

If you think about it if we really are alone amongst the millions of galaxies than that's a good indication that God must exist, on the other hand given the fact space is so vast surely there has to be Alien intelligent life out there

1) How does it follow that if Earth is the only planet with life then that is an indication for the existence of god? There has been no evidence from the earth which would indicate that god is neccessary for all that happened to happen. Just because something is unique it doesn't follow that a supernatural explanation is needed.
2) While I do agree that multiple developments of life are more likely than not, we don't have enough evidence to hand to make that assertion any more than a guess based on our personal prejudices.

Kivaro

shadowcomplex wrote: »

If you think about it if we really are alone amongst the millions of galaxies than that's a good indication that God must exist, on the other hand given the fact space is so vast surely there has to be Alien intelligent life out there

bnt

Was "God" an astronaut? Hardly a new idea, there's even a band called God Is An Astronaut in the Dublin area. Read up on Erich von Däniken's books if you want more on this idea. Or: as Arthur C. Clarke famously said: "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".

eyescreamcone

But why are these aliens (or gods) homophobic???

robindch

bnt wrote: »

Read up on Erich von Däniken's books if you want more on this idea.

Von Daniken was debunked many years ago and is now, mostly, thankfully, forgotten.

Bongalongherb

A person doesn't have to read a book to find knowledge. Use the brain regarding philosophy and deep thought and meditation and the answers will come to you personally. In my opinion.

bnt

robindch wrote: »

Von Daniken was debunked many years ago and is now, mostly, thankfully, forgotten.

"Debunked" is an understatement, but it's worth looking at him to know what not to do. Funnily enough, Dilbert creator Scott Adams is blogging on a very similar topic today. Something in the water?

Bongalongherb

In regards to Chariots of the Gods? He made it abundantly crystal clear regarding the ?. Erich Von Daniken has many questions, this is why there are so many in his books, as he is only questioning/theorising on this basic theory. It goes back to the Vedas Indian text/samaranganasutradhara

The balls on most folk striding across this ball floating around the sun 365 days of the year LOL, it's amazing if you think of it... we are all rotating with gravity and held down well whether we sleep or walk and this planet wobbles around the sun. When a person tells me I'm out there, literally I am out there, and so are you. Floating around a burning sun every year, it's amazing.

Brian Shanahan

bnt wrote: »

Hardly a new idea, there's even a band called God Is An Astronaut in the Dublin area. Read up on Erich von Däniken's books if you want more on this idea.

Yeah, like I'm going to read the books of a man who invented stuff so that he could earn enough by selling lies to get out from under his tax fraud fines.

pauldla

Is this a game? Can I have a go?

Unicorns or teapots definitely exist!

SpaceTime

Given that we can't find a large commercial aircraft lost at sea on earth, I wouldn't like to categorically state that there is no life anywhere else in the universe.

The isn't an answer to that question at the moment. We're working on it!

It would seem very possible though that if there's life in earth given the billions of other planets that we know exist there's a good chance it may be elsewhere too.

Whether we'd be able to communicate with the other lifeforms is a big question though.

Have you ever tired having a chat with a giant squid for example?

They may be biologically very advanced but not technological or they may be so technologically advanced that we would look like an ant colony to them.

The possibilities are endless but we have only a very vague idea of what's out there.

You could even have artificial technological life or life forms that have indefinitely long lives roaming around for all we know.

Whether we'll ever communicate with it who knows.

In terms of aliens... You can't rule anything out or in based in how little we know about what's on other planets.

My own guess is that we will probably find primitive life on Mars or one of the big gas giant planets' moons. This could be something similar to fungus or something very unexciting.

None of this says anything about theories of god or the supernatural though.

I'm definitely expecting something more like a mushroom or seaweed on Europa rather than grey aliens in UFOs though.

SimonTemplar

I find it incredible that a majority of the country believes in God yet have a major problem with the idea that intelligent life exists elsewhere on the universe. If God created Earth, he is by definition an alien, i.e. extra-terrestrial.

SpaceTime

It would be rather cool off we ever do get a signal though.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility. I never understand the narrow mindedness around that topic either.

I just think it's relatively unlikely we'll be Skyping with them.

sniperman

no one has any real proof either exist,there are alot of gullible people out there;)

Cabaal

i'm waiting for the day that they find some form of life, germs or whatever.
Just watch every back peddle like there's no tomorrow,

Bottom line is this is far far far far more likely to happen then proof of a god
Likelyhood of some form of like existing somewhere in this galaxy or another is pretty damn likely, esp when you factor in just how big galaxy's are...most people can't comprehend it.

ryan101

SimonTemplar wrote: »

I find it incredible that a majority of the country believes in God yet have a major problem with the idea that intelligent life exists elsewhere on the universe. If God created Earth, he is by definition an alien, i.e. extra-terrestrial.

Yes by their very definition, Angels and God are extra terrestrial / alien life.
No where does the bible claim we are alone in the universe.
Given the vastness of the universe / mutiverse, I believe alien life probably exists out there somewhere, and it could be a spiritual entity as much as a physical one. At any rate no evidence has been found to date for alien life.

seamus

I don't see why an otherwise lifeless universe implies proof of God. It could simply be the case that the conditions to start life are a lot rarer to come by than we assumed, and given an enormous and complicated universe and all the eons of time and space meant there was actually a pretty good chance that life would arise at least once. Hence, us.

Though given that we have basically "created" life in the lab by recreating primordial conditions, all of the signs point to a universe in fact teeming with life.

If you ask why we haven't come into contact with them, consider that there was a native Australian tribe who went completely undiscovered until 1984 - 380 years after the continent was discovered by Europeans. That's just here on earth, across a few thousand km, never mind a few thousand light years across the galaxy.

SpaceTime

As long as they're not the Borg we're grand

Bellatori

:Well you can always play with the Drake equation

The problem is not whether other civilisations exist - probability good - but whether they will exist within a communicating distance of us - probability not so good.

Anyway, if they turn up I hope they will meet someone polite enough not to make them take one look and go home

Brian Shanahan

SpaceTime wrote: »

It would be rather cool off we ever do get a signal though.

As xkcd demonstrated, if they've broadcast technology like ours that's very unlikely.

While our TV signals may have been detectable—with great effort—for a while,[3] that window is closing. In the late 20th century, when we were using TV and radio to scream into the void at the top of our lungs, the signal probably faded to undetectability after a few light-years.[4] The potentially habitable exoplanets we’ve spotted so far are dozens of light-years away, so the odds are they aren’t currently repeating our catchphrases.

So unless the aliens are on a ship or colony within the solar system, or there are some far more advanced communication means which can bridge the gulf of the cosmos (a likelihood, but we'd probably have to develop compatible receivers to hear anything) I don't think we'll hear anything unless we go out there ourselves.

recedite

Bongalongherb wrote: »

A person doesn't have to read a book to find knowledge. Use the brain regarding philosophy and deep thought and meditation and the answers will come to you personally. In my opinion.

The answers will come to you, as a revelation, but those answers will be bull$hit. In my opinion.

Hotblack Desiato

ryan101 wrote: »

At any rate no evidence has been found to date for alien life.

Yes.
Rather irritating isn't it when people go on and on and on and on about the supposed existence of an entity for which they can provide no evidence whatsoever.

Cabaal

ninja900 wrote: »

Yes.
Rather irritating isn't it when people go on and on and on and on about the supposed existence of an entity for which they can provide no evidence whatsoever.

Even worse when they claim they are morally better and live better lives because of it :pac:

ragnarl

Odin will take us all to Valhalla

Brian Shanahan

ragnarl wrote: »

Odin will take us all to Valhalla

No he won't. Thats the job of the Valkyries.

truedoom

Gotta love Neil de Grasse Tyson saying something like;

Take a cup, and fill it with seawater.

Then based on that cup, you can conclude there is no such thing as whales.

We have such a tiny, absolute miniscule image of the universe that we can't rule anything out.

Well, except organized religion, that **** just causes problems :P

But even if there was intelligent life, it could be in some form we can't even comprehend.

Would we even recognize a life form that is so much more complex compared to us, that we are compared to say... a bacterium?

Yeaah just think about that.

Bellatori

truedoom wrote: »

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But even if there was intelligent life, it could be in some form we can't even comprehend.

Would we even recognize a life form that is so much more complex compared to us, that we are compared to say... a bacterium?

Yeaah just think about that.

Surely the real issue is whether they recognise us. If they don't we might just get the disinfectant treatment

ryan101

ninja900 wrote: »

Yes.
Rather irritating isn't it when people go on and on and on and on about the supposed existence of an entity for which they can provide no evidence whatsoever.

Not really, even though there is no evidence to date, I find the possibility of, and search for alien life fascinating.

Hotblack Desiato

Whoosh.

I meant that those who regard aliens as real in spite of lack of evidence are laughed/pointed at, those who regard a god as real in spite of lack of evidence are not (in society as a whole, whatever about in here :pac: )

I can't rule out that aliens exist, it's an intruiguing possibility - but we have no evidence at all. There's also the problem of the vast distances of space and the likelihood that a civilisation advanced enough to be able to send or receive signals to other planets is also advanced enough to wipe itself out through war or environmental disaster within a relatively short period.

Similarly although I am a strong atheist I cannot rule out the existence of gods categorically, but there is no evidence whatsoever of any influence of gods on our physical existence. If a god or gods is operating outside our universe or in some dimension that cannot interact with ours, *shrug* it makes no difference to us as far as I'm concerned so why concern ourselves with it.

Dawkins says he's 69/70th certain that there are no gods, 1/70th unsure, but open to any evidence that may arise.

Bellatori

ninja900 wrote: »

Whoosh.

I meant that those who regard aliens as real in spite of lack of evidence are laughed/pointed at, those who regard a god as real in spite of lack of evidence are not (in society as a whole, whatever about in here :pac: )

It seems a bit discriminatory really. I believe in Aliens on the basis of no evidence other than my imagination and get zilch whereas theists believe in (an) invisible friend(s) and get tax breaks. Seems wrong somehow.

aidan24326

SpaceTime wrote: »

I'm definitely expecting something more like a mushroom or seaweed on Europa rather than grey aliens in UFOs though.

That's true. It seems that primitive life is not that difficult to get started but complex intelligent life is a whole other ball game and even here on earth it required an extraordinarily unlikely sequence of events for that to happen. Even the leap to multicellularism took aeons to happen and required all sorts of lucky coincidences. So the likelihood is that the universe has many planets with life but a much smaller number containing intelligent life and much fewer still with life capable of space exploration. So chances are if there's planets out there with highly intelligent life they are probably very very far away at distances that might be forever out of reach.

TRUEDOOM wrote:

Would we even recognize a life form that is so much more complex compared to us, that we are compared to say... a bacterium?

Stephen Hawking made the point that a sufficiently advanced alien species looking at us might not be much different to a human walking past an anthill. They might see us an interesting peculiarity at best, but any attempt at communication would be pointless. And a species capable of roaming the galaxy would absolutely need to be very far ahead of us in their advancement seen as we haven't even visited our neighbouring planets yet. If space exploration could be compared to a person travelling the world then humans haven't even been beyond our own doorstep.

Cabaal

ninja900 wrote: »

Whoosh.

I meant that those who regard aliens as real in spite of lack of evidence are laughed/pointed at, those who regard a god as real in spite of lack of evidence are not (in society as a whole, whatever about in here :pac: )

Thing is,
Those that believe alien life likely exists don't claim to be morally superior, create their own laws based on said aliens or to have a connection to said aliens...unless they are somewhat unhinged already

Elektronske

Believe in little green men ? NO evidence has ever been produced for alien life.

Ninjamonkey

shadowcomplex wrote: »

If you think about it if we really are alone amongst the millions of galaxies than that's a good indication that God must exist, on the other hand given the fact space is so vast surely there has to be Alien intelligent life out there

What a ****ed up construct - If I fart then then I must exist, If I don't fart its a good indication that I may or may not exist - who gives a flying monkeys poo !

WTF do you know about aliens, - nothing, and to be frank what humanity thinks of as aliens, or small green friendly little men from alpha ****ball five, may be nothing of the sort. - ffs, grab onto reality and figure out whats going on.

Ninjamonkey

aidan24326 wrote: »

That's true. It seems that primitive life is not that difficult to get started but complex intelligent life is a whole other ball game and even here on earth it required an extraordinarily unlikely sequence of events for that to happen. Even the leap to multicellularism took aeons to happen and required all sorts of lucky coincidences. So the likelihood is that the universe has many planets with life but a much smaller number containing intelligent life and much fewer still with life capable of space exploration. So chances are if there's planets out there with highly intelligent life they are probably very very far away at distances that might be forever out of reach.





Stephen Hawking made the point that a sufficiently advanced alien species looking at us might not be much different to a human walking past an anthill. They might see us an interesting peculiarity at best, but any attempt at communication would be pointless. And a species capable of roaming the galaxy would absolutely need to be very far ahead of us in their advancement seen as we haven't even visited our neighbouring planets yet. If space exploration could be compared to a person travelling the world then humans haven't even been beyond our own doorstep.

If we have any sense we will keep our mouths shut, and our heads down. there is a high possibility that there are extraterrestrial civilizations out there, but for us to meet them, would not be a party parade on the white house lawn, with all the f'cking liberals shouting for ET equality ( though the stupid bastards would probably do that anyway) - it will be the f'cking end of humanity as we know it. so enjoy our ignorance, stop looking and keep our pie holes firmly shut - imho

Ninjamonkey

Bellatori wrote: »

It seems a bit discriminatory really. I believe in Aliens on the basis of no evidence other than my imagination and get zilch whereas theists believe in (an) invisible friend(s) and get tax breaks. Seems wrong somehow.

Hmm... i can go with that ..

Believe in aliens = No tax breaks
Believe in an imaginary being in the clouds = Tax Breaks

****, I know which one i'm going with