Sill billy Saorview

splashthecash

I'm here at home contorting my body in all manner of angles and bends get a signal to this silly billy tv "solution"

What in the name of fiddly diddly did they remove the ability for people to be able to watch the the national channels if the solution wasn't 100% coverage across the country I ask nicely? I have a soar view TV and the right aerial but nothin unfortunately is displaying

So now I have to go out and spend more money presumably to buy a signal booster or some fiddly diddly like that

Fiddly diddled off here...

I live in Kildare, the TV is emotion and the aerial is a one for all and attached are some pics

cml387

splashthecash wrote: »

I'm here at home contorting my body in all manner of angles and bends get a signal to this silly billy tv "solution"

What in the name of fiddly diddly did they remove the ability for people to be able to watch the the national channels if the solution wasn't 100% coverage across the country I ask nicely? I have a soar view TV and the right aerial but nothin unfortunately is displaying

So now I have to go out and spend more money presumably to buy a signal booster or some fiddly diddly like that

Fiddly diddled off here...

I live in Kildare, the TV is emotion and the aerial is a one for all and attached are some pics

You'll get nowt with an indoor aerial. Need one on't chimney.

hallo dare

splashthecash wrote: »

I'm here at home contorting my body in all manner of angles and bends get a signal to this silly billy tv "solution"

What in the name of fiddly diddly did they remove the ability for people to be able to watch the the national channels if the solution wasn't 100% coverage across the country I ask nicely? I have a soar view TV and the right aerial but nothin unfortunately is displaying

So now I have to go out and spend more money presumably to buy a signal booster or some fiddly diddly like that

Fiddly diddled off here...

I live in Kildare, the TV is emotion and the aerial is a one for all and attached are some pics

I've found in a few houses that the likes of those rabbit ears are only any use if close to the transmitting station. If you're living further away you really should have the external antenna that you'd see on a roof to pick up the channels.

ted1

splashthecash wrote: »

I'm here at home contorting my body in all manner of angles and bends get a signal to this silly billy tv "solution"

What in the name of fiddly diddly did they remove the ability for people to be able to watch the the national channels if the solution wasn't 100% coverage across the country I ask nicely? I have a soar view TV and the right aerial but nothin unfortunately is displaying

So now I have to go out and spend more money presumably to buy a signal booster or some fiddly diddly like that

Fiddly diddled off here...

I live in Kildare, the TV is emotion and the aerial is a one for all and attached are some pics

For the small percentage that can't get Saorview they have saor sat

The Cush

splashthecash wrote: »

What in the name of fiddly diddly did they remove the ability for people to be able to watch the the national channels if the solution wasn't 100% coverage across the country I ask nicely? I have a soar view TV and the right aerial but nothin unfortunately is displaying

So now I have to go out and spend more money presumably to buy a signal booster or some fiddly diddly like that

A signal booster will be no good if you're not getting a signal in the first place, an external aerial as the lads say above will most likely be required. In some areas an attic aerial may work, basically depends on the signal strength where you locate the aerial.

Saorview has about 98-99% coverage with an external aerial but they estimate this could be around 50% for people with indoor aerials. In the analogue pre-Saorview days the RTÉ channels had similar coverage to Saorview today, TV3 an estimated 85% and TG4 about 95% with an external aerial.

See section 8.2 of ths RTÉ document - http://www.2rn.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/RT%C3%89NL-SAORVIEW-FAQs-May-2012-Rev-7.1.pdf .

splashthecash

cheers all - how much should I expect to pay for a run of the mill external Saorview aerial?

STB

splashthecash wrote: »

cheers all - how much should I expect to pay for a run of the mill external Saorview aerial?

Did you really pay €35 for that ? Argos I presume ?

Bring it back and tell them it doesnt work.

Get this instead.

http://www.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/1078471/c_1/1|category_root|Home+entertainment+and+sat+nav|14419512/c_2/3|cat_19780832|Television+aerials+and+boosters|14419536.htm

and this

http://www.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/1083514/c_1/1|category_root|Home+entertainment+and+sat+nav|19780832/c_2/3|cat_19780832|Television+aerials+and+boosters|14419536.htm

and you will get change.

If you didnt buy it on argos and you dont intend on returning it have a look at tvtrade.ie for UHF aerial kits.

splashthecash

STB wrote: »

Did you really pay €35 for that ? Argos I presume ?

Bring it back and tell them it doesnt work.

Get this instead.

http://www.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/1078471/c_1/1|category_root|Home+entertainment+and+sat+nav|14419512/c_2/3|cat_19780832|Television+aerials+and+boosters|14419536.htm

and this

http://www.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/1083514/c_1/1|category_root|Home+entertainment+and+sat+nav|19780832/c_2/3|cat_19780832|Television+aerials+and+boosters|14419536.htm

and you will get change.

If you didnt buy it on argos and you dont intend on returning it have a look at tvtrade.ie for UHF aerial kits.

Nope, paid about €25 for it I think in Harvey Norman....I spent about 10 mins making sure with the guy that it will do what I need. Don't have the receipt or box anymore so was a complete waster of money.

Would the above defo pick up the digital signal yeah?

STB

splashthecash wrote: »

Nope, paid about €25 for it I think in Harvey Norman....I spent about 10 mins making sure with the guy that it will do what I need. Don't have the receipt or box anymore so was a complete waster of money.

Would the above defo pick up the digital signal yeah?

Yes it would work. But I only suggested those in the event that you were returning that one for all aerial to argos, who sell an awful lot of that junk.

One of these little kits below would be better, there is install videos and all for them.

http://www.tvtrade.ie/saorview-uhf-tv-aerial-kit-higher-gain.html

(by the way I didnt see a power cable going to that indoor aerial ? There should be one with it and the volume like button on the front needs to pressed on). This may be stating the obvious, but that is a mains powered indoor aerial is it not in the pics you provided.

splashthecash

STB wrote: »

Yes it would work. But I only suggested those in the event that you were returning that one for all aerial to argos, who sell an awful lot of that junk.

One of these little kits below would be better, there is install videos and all for them.

http://www.tvtrade.ie/saorview-uhf-tv-aerial-kit-higher-gain.html

(by the way I didnt see a power cable going to that indoor aerial ? There should be one with it and the volume like button on the front needs to pressed on). This may be stating the obvious, but that is a mains powered indoor aerial is it not in the pics you provided.

ok, thanks.

Its not mains powered by the way...

Hoagy

splashthecash wrote: »

ok, thanks.

Its not mains powered by the way...

I think it is.

See here.

lertsnim

splashthecash wrote: »

cheers all - how much should I expect to pay for a run of the mill external Saorview aerial?

I picked up one the other day for €19. Rock solid signal with it. I think it is made by Triax.

STB

splashthecash wrote: »

ok, thanks.

Its not mains powered by the way...

Aha....

That explains why it isnt working. It has an LED built into that volume like switch (which is a variable 45db gain) and gives you a fuzzy blue colour and fuzzy feeling inside. probably . It requires you connect it to the mains with the supplied 12v power supply and connect the aerial part to the TV socket. You then press it on and turn the dial until you get enough signal. It should have come with the aerial (you only dont need the power supply if you have a set top box that provides 5v phantom power over the coax)

As pictured below.

winston_1

splashthecash wrote: »

I'm here at home contorting my body in all manner of angles and bends get a signal to this silly billy tv "solution"

What in the name of fiddly diddly did they remove the ability for people to be able to watch the the national channels if the solution wasn't 100% coverage across the country I ask nicely? I have a soar view TV and the right aerial but nothin unfortunately is displaying

So now I have to go out and spend more money presumably to buy a signal booster or some fiddly diddly like that

Fiddly diddled off here...

I live in Kildare, the TV is emotion and the aerial is a one for all and attached are some pics

It has been said many times that the TV network is designed for outdoor aerials 10 metres high. You paid decent money for your TV, do it a favour and spend some money on a proper aerial installation. Don't ask on here how much it will cost, ask your local aerial installer.

STB

winston_1 wrote: »

It has been said many times that the TV network is designed for outdoor aerials 10 metres high. You paid decent money for your TV, do it a favour and spend some money on a proper aerial installation. Don't ask on here how much it will cost, ask your local aerial installer.

That may be a simplistic and easy fits all fix answer, but isnt always necessarily true. The need for an outdoor aerial greatly increases due to a number of factors not least of which are terrain, distance and environment.

To put it into perspective I am 110km from Mount Leinster and I pick up stable Saorview reception off both muxes using a phantom powered indoor aerial the size of your hand.

Given Saorview is pumping out 160kw from a mountain location @ 900m is a massive plus of course They might need the stronger aerials in Bangor and Milford Haven, mind you that is in Wales.

A lot of setups around the Ireland from the analogue days have scenarios whereby the masthead amps set for analogue are/were set so high that they were overloading dvb-t receivers with RF and had to be adjusted considrably downwards by those clever enough to know what was going on.

watty

Fact is that coverage and quality in the coverage is FAR better than in Analogue Days. It's not exactly the same coverage, so a few people may have worse or no signal, but over all more people have a signal.

"One for all" make "remotes" that are OK, but not aerials worth buying. Don't spend more than €12 on an indoor aerial. Even that is really too much.

http://www.saortv.info/terrestrial-saorview/installing-tv-aerial/

Some shops sell a €2 Loop + rabbit's ears combo UHF/VHF that is so badly designed that the cable works better if you cut the aerial off and open it. They also don't use real coax, the outer is just a thin wire. They are fake aerials. The "multiple" rod type with a flat loop is the only worthwhile indoor aerial.



This can be best used with extension cable on a window sill facing transmitter or on shelf etc. It may give perfect reception in an attic when it does nothing beside TV.

An outdoor aerial doesn't always need to be on a pole on a Chimney or other high point, though this is best. It can be in the attic or on a wall.

(Ignore the flat style dish, nothing to do with Satellite or TV). A very very cheap "contract aerial".

A good TV aerial may last 50 years. Some (most?) retail aerials sold as "outdoor" are only good for attic. Too much flimsy plastic and aluminium like a disposable turkey tray! Most Electrical Wholesalers will sell you a better aerial sometimes at 1/3rd price.

Retail shop aerials seem to be chosen by "buyer" on "brand" (usually NOT an aerial maker brand!), profit margin, Prettiness and/or impressive appearance rather than any technical specification or "benchmark". Only use "Wideband" if a strong signal, otherwise it should be correct group. Only use an amplifier to feed a cable or splitter. A mast head amp is mostly only to cancel out loss in the long cable to TV. The actual aerial design and location decides signal quality, an amplifier can actually create problems if poor quality or too much gain. Like playing a radio or phone dock with only 2" to 3" speaker at full volume actually makes it harder to make out the words.

St Senan

The OP said he lives in Kildare. I have been on to RTE/2rn/Saorview numerous times regarding parts of Kildare. On the coverage checker they have it that Suncroft and parts around the Curragh are receiving the signal from Kippure. Lots of Aerials around there are pointing at Kippure. But I have found out the hard way that the signal is stronger/higher with an aerial pointing at Mt Leinster. BTW i am talking about WB aerials outdoors 6-8ft high on poles/cradles on chimneys.

St Senan

Watty that bottom picture is a typical example of whats destroying/Destroyed the Aerial rigging business. A cheap grouped Aerial on an upside down sky satellite dish wall bracket. Crap like that are been sold online and thru shops all the time. If only the people from saorview have had of listened to the day to day experienced installers back in 2011/2012.

icdg

Just to say OP that while you obeyed the letter of my warning in the previous thread you definitely did not obey the spirit. Consider yourself warned on that front that a ban may result if you post similar again.

watty

Actually it's not a Sky bracket. They don't have ones as good. It's a bracket for a Terrestrial microwave link radio set ! (In this case "hacked" with internal printed aerial panels removed and 2 x coax cables from a home made Waveguide adaptor).

So ignore the "Dish" and bracket

I agree what you say. The point is that a scrap contract aerial (Not even a Balun in it) mounted only 2m above ground gives 100% quality when an indoor aerial beside TV gives absolutely nothing!

It's not posted as an example of commercial Aerial rigging! Despite wrong bracket and being a rubbish aerial it's more durable than most sold by Lidl, Argos, B&Q, Aldi etc.


Another link about aerials.

http://www.techtir.ie/radio-tv/uhf-aerials

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