Trouble with ADI

LawlessBoy

Hi guys posting here looking for some advice on what to do.

I purchased a block of lessons back in january on a local ADI, whos name i got off a broker because they wouldnt insure me unless i had 10 lessons done with an instructor registered with them.

I asked the instructor before the lessons started if i could do them on the driving recipt issued by the NDLS because there was a backlog on permits being sent out (10 weeks). He said to me all was fine that i can do the lessons and EDTs while waiting on the permit to be sent out.

So all that aside now my problem is that i asked him last week for my log book. I didnt have the log book i was never issued one until towards the end of my block lessons with him. 8 of them lessons i completed while waiting on my permit to be sent out to me. 2 of them while i had my permit. Now i went up to him today to have my log book filled in for 10 EDTs which he said " I can only fill you in for 2 lessons on your log book, you didnt have your permit when i did the other ones with you.".

This has really annoyed me now though because after paying for 10 lessons with him hes only wrote me down for 2 EDTs. I feel as if im after been scammed outve the price of 8 lessons. He never explained this to me at the start that i had to actually have the physical copy of my permit before he could issue them, he just told me it would be fine and that theres no need to worry.

Can anyone advise me on what i should do?

ProudDUB

Log book are no longer used. In the past, you used to have to present it on the day of your test, to prove that you did your lessons. That is no longer the case. Now, your ADI is supposed to start an account for you on the RSA's website. He does this using your driver number on your license. After each lesson, he logs it as being done on the website. You can not do your test, until all 12 lessons are registered on line as having been done. The log book is no longer needed. These days it is just a learning tool really.

So the first thing I would tell you to do, is go back to your ADI and have a discussion with him as to how many of your lessons he has registered online as having been done. It could be just a miscommunication between the two of you. He may have registered all 8 as being done. If he has, you are all set.

If he sticks to his guns and says it is still just the two, then you are going to have to fight your corner. Tell him that you will report him to the RSA if he does not register all of your lessons as being done. Tell him you will also call the insurance company and, tell them about the stunt that he is trying to pull. He needs to stay on both of their good sides, if he is to remain a registered ADI on their books.

How did you pay for the lessons? Can you prove you paid for them? Did he give you a receipt? If you have prove of that, that will strengthen your hand.

LawlessBoy

ProudDUB wrote: »

Log book are no longer used. In the past, you used to have to present it on the day of your test, to prove that you did your lessons. That is no longer the case. Now, your ADI is supposed to start an account for you on the RSA's website. He does this using your driver number on your license. After each lesson, he logs it as being done on the website. You can not do your test, until all 12 lessons are registered on line as having been done. The log book is no longer needed. These days it is just a learning tool really.

So the first thing I would tell you to do, is go back to your ADI and have a discussion with him as to how many of your lessons he has registered online as having been done. It could be just a miscommunication between the two of you. He may have registered all 8 as being done. If he has, you are all set.

If he sticks to his guns and says it is still just the two, then you are going to have to fight your corner. Tell him that you will report him to the RSA if he does not register all of your lessons as being done. Tell him you will also call the insurance company and, tell them about the stunt that he is trying to pull. He needs to stay on both of their good sides if he is to remain a registered ADI on their books.

How did you pay for the lessons? Can you prove you paid for them? Did he give you a receipt? If you have prove of that, that will strengthen your hand.

Thanks for the reply very informative. To be honest I was very angry when I went to meet him today. Feel as if he thinks he can just get away with it with me only being 17.

I'll get in touch tomorrow with him about what's logged on the internet I wasn't aware of this. I'll make sure to find out but he defiantly has not logged the 8.

I honestly feel like he is after trying to scam me for no reason at all. They lessons wore paid for and I did do them so I don't see what his problem is with singing off of them. Last time I was out I did a mock test he said I did fine and that I would be ready for my test so its not to do with my ability on the road

ProudDUB

No problem.

Don't wait for him to tell you what he has done. You can look up your account yourself on the RSA's website. Log onto your account here using your driver number.

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Learner-Drivers/Driver-Training/Car-Training-EDT/My-EDT/

Once you are logged on, you will be able to see what lessons he has registered as being done. If he hasn't registered them all, he can still do so & just back date them to when they were actually done.

It sounds like you may have gotten mixed up with a cowboy who is out to take advantage of your age and inexperience. It may not be a bad idea to take an adult or a parent with you when you talk to him.

LawlessBoy

Going by that its looking like I haven't got any registered it won't even allow me to log in? Would that be normal if no EDTs are registered?

ProudDUB

Only the ADI can set up the account for you on the RSA website. You can't do it yourself. So if you can't log on to the account, it looks like it doesn't exist, as your ADI never set it up in the first place.

Unfortunately, it looks like you need to have a very serious conversation with this cowboy. From my perspective, it looks like he is playing hard ball, to try to con you into paying for more lessons with him.

If I were you, I'd give the RSA a ring and see what advise they may have to offer. Do that before you confront your ADI. This is not the first thread that has popped up here, from people in your exact situation. I'd bet money that if you give them a ring, it wouldn't be the first time RSA that that they have dealt with phone calls from people in the exact same situation as you. They may have some good tips for you, on how to proceed from here.

MascotDec85

The logbook IS still required.
It might not be needed in the day if the test any longer but EDT lessons have to be allocated against a logbook number when being entered into the EDT portal online.

OP it's like this. If your ADI fails to sort out the situation to your satisfaction then report him to the RSA. Plain and simple!!

For one, he shouldn't have started your lessons without a valid learner permit in the first place. All adi's were told about this

I can't tell you why

Those first lessons were done illegally. But they were done. Tell the ADI that, 'He should update them retrospectively, before you start talking to the RSA.'

LawlessBoy

So should i confront him and threaten him with the report to the RSA and hope that solves my problem or give them a ring and report it.

As one of you pointed out they wore done illeaglly, but how i was to be aware of this. He said it would be fine and with him being an ADI i thought him trustworthy enough to believe it. If i do ring the RSA and they say to me well " You did them lessons illegally, why should they count?" i really wont have a leg to stand on with all this.

navara man

LawlessBoy wrote: »

So should i confront him and threaten him with the report to the RSA and hope that solves my problem or give them a ring and report it.

As one of you pointed out they wore done illeaglly,

wrong they were not done illegally .because they back date start day of licence to day you apply for it in NDLS centre just look on your licence (my licence done that way)

LawlessBoy

Its all sorted. Mentioned the RSA and got a phone call within the hour. Shows what he was out for.

ProudDUB

Good for you. Once you are done and dusted with your 12 lessons being officially logged, I'd still get onto the RSA and report him. Why let him put some other young and inexperienced learner driver through what you had to go through?

Tipsy McSwagger

Sorry to hijack the thread but I have a quick question. I've a log book with 6 lessons recorded but I want to switch instructors. Do I just hand over my current logbook to my new instructor and continue on?

MascotDec85

LawlessBoy wrote: »

Its all sorted. Mentioned the RSA and got a phone call within the hour. Shows what he was out for.

What a surprise!
Wrecks my head when I hear of some of the crap that some ADIs get up to.

Well done on standing up for yourself

ProudDUB

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Sorry to hijack the thread but I have a quick question. I've a log book with 6 lessons recorded but I want to switch instructors. Do I just hand over my current logbook to my new instructor and continue on?

As mentioned up thread, having the lessons logged in the log book is not as important as having the lessons logged on the RSA's website. Before you leave the old instructor, check that they have been, as you can not sit your test until they are.

Your new instructor just needs your driver number from your license & the number of the log book to log the rest of your lessons on the RSA's website. He doesn't need the actual log book itself, or to stamp it, as it is no longer inspected on the day of the test. It's all about what is logged online.