Settled Travellers

When does someone stop being a traveller?, was having a chat with someone and we were discussing someone who was involved in a community organisation, anyway the other person said you know her family are travellers, the other person was not making any particular comment about this( but it was still mentioned ).. now this family has been settled from her great grandfather onwards, so do people never stop being travellers now matter how long they have settled in one place.

Supergurrier

Discimination boss

endacl

One ceases to be a traveller when one sells the backpack, cuts the dreadlocks, gets a proper job, and stops banging on about 'how like totally amazing Goa is'.

From that point on, they cease to be a 'traveller' and become a 'tourist'.

dgt

No discriminating or we'll have to bare-knuckle box

Mr. CooL ICE

Is "settled traveller" an oxymoron?

A friend of mine's grandfather was a traveller. His father was considered a half-traveller, which was the first time I ever heard the term. Pigeonholers gonna pigeonhole, I guess.

Alf. A. Male

We have no way of knowing, so maybe you should pop around their house and just ask. "hello, are you still travellers?". Let us know how you get on, please.

endacl

LordChessington wrote: »

Is "settled traveller" an oxymoron?

A friend of mine's grandfather was a traveller. His father was considered a half-traveller, which was the first time I ever heard the term. Pigeonholers gonna pigeonhole, I guess.

Top half or bottom half? Could lead to quite the existential dilemma for the poor chap. Six months in Goa might have helped him find himself, especially if his legs took him wandering to places his head didn't want to go.

FTA69

Travellers are a different ethnicity, thus it's very possible to be a Traveller and live in a house. In fact the vast majority of them live in houses today. You don't magically stop being a Traveller the minute you move into a house, no more than I've stopped being Irish because I live in London.

Like anything else, people should have a certain choice in their identity and what they consider themselves and like anything else, I imagine that sense of identity may well dilute as generations go on.

nullzero

LordChessington wrote: »

Is "settled traveller" an oxymoron?
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What did ye call me? Sh*te in a bucket.

SEPT 23 1989

Never,the spoils of State dependency and rampant criminality are too great to turn their backs on this lifestyle choice

endacl

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Never,the spoils of State dependency and rampant criminality are too great to turn their backs on this lifestyle choice

And they're off!!!

Santa Cruz

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Never,the spoils of State dependency and rampant criminality are too great to turn their backs on this lifestyle choice

That's not fair. It's their culture boss.

SEPT 23 1989

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Never,the spoils of State dependency and rampant criminality are too great to turn their backs on this lifestyle choice

This person has a job and her father is self employed and they purchased their own house.

ScumLord

Travellers are an ethnic group, it's just they have a confusing politically corrected name that isn't really applicable in this day and age.

Vito Corleone

Must refrain from posting...

FTA69

ScumLord wrote: »

Travellers are an ethnic group, it's just they have a confusing politically corrected name that isn't really applicable in this day and age.

It isn't politically-corrected. It's what they call themselves nowadays, that and "Pavee".

Hotale.com

ScumLord wrote: »

Travellers are an ethnic group, it's just they have a confusing politically corrected name that isn't really applicable in this day and age.

Did they ever feel offended by the term "tinker" until people decided that they should be?

Knasher

I predict this tread will be locked before I'm finished typing this sentence. Clearly the mods are slipping if it isn't.

goose2005

FTA69 wrote: »

Travellers are a different ethnicity, thus it's very possible to be a Traveller and live in a house. In fact the vast majority of them live in houses today. You don't magically stop being a Traveller the minute you move into a house, no more than I've stopped being Irish because I live in London.

Like anything else, people should have a certain choice in their identity and what they consider themselves and like anything else, I imagine that sense of identity may well dilute as generations go on.

I don't think ethnicity is the right term, I think they're better seen as a social group like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burakumin or the cagots in France.

ScumLord

Hotale.com wrote: »

Did they ever feel offended by the term "tinker" until people decided that they should be?

The term tinker wouldn't have been a bad term back in the day. Travellers used to go from town to town doing work for locals, they were very good at metal work, I remember just about every house you went into when I was a child had a coal bucket made by a tinker. Tinker meaning someone who tinkers at things and in general is a very useful person to know.

Once we all went for mass produced, disposable crap tinkers lost their place in society.

FTA69

goose2005 wrote: »

I don't think ethnicity is the right term, I think they're better seen as a social group like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burakumin or the cagots in France.

They fulfil all the criteria of an ethnicity as set out by the UN; also them and people like them are recognised as an ethnicity in a variety of different countries.

endacl

Hotale.com wrote: »

Did they ever feel offended by the term "tinker" until people decided that they should be?

I'd imagine not while a lot of them made a living tinkering. Or knackering. Other people loaded those phrases with derogatory meaning. The offence is in the intent of the communication. Not so much in the actual words used.

endacl

Vito Corleone wrote: »

Must refrain from posting...

Hundreds did that. Without posting.

aziz

Once we all went for mass produced, disposable crap tinkers lost their place in society.[/QUOTE]

Now they make their money selling it

wicklowstevo

ScumLord wrote: »

The term tinker wouldn't have been a bad term back in the day. Travellers used to go from town to town doing work for locals, they were very good at metal work, I remember just about every house you went into when I was a child had a coal bucket made by a tinker. Tinker meaning someone who tinkers at things and in general is a very useful person to know.

Once we all went for mass produced, disposable crap tinkers lost their place in society.

Aww so thats why they love copper so much :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Reformed Character

wicklowstevo wrote: »

Aww so thats why they love copper so much :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Well it ain't from peoples love of the coppers!

eviltwin

Genuine question. How can travellers have a different ethnicity? Aren't they just white Irish like the majority of the population

Ruu

After Hours is not the place for this thread, as you saw, it only took 10 posts in before an uncivil remark was made. I suggest you try the Humanities forum for a more civil debate on this.