Competition Entry

slingerz

We have our captain's prize this weekend but i've hurt myself and cannot play in it. My brother in law wants to play in it but can not find a playing partner to join him at the only time he can make it on a Saturday afternoon.

Question is, can i go around with him and mark his card without playing the competition myself or will i need to enter the comp, pay the entry fee and then withdraw after teeing off on the first and mark his card for him from there?

any other instances of anything like this occurring?

Norfolk Enchants_

slingerz wrote: »

We have our captain's prize this weekend but i've hurt myself and cannot play in it. My brother in law wants to play in it but can not find a playing partner to join him at the only time he can make it on a Saturday afternoon.

Question is, can i go around with him and mark his card without playing the competition myself or will i need to enter the comp, pay the entry fee and then withdraw after teeing off on the first and mark his card for him from there?

any other instances of anything like this occurring?

There should be no problem with you just marking his card, ideally yuo should seek clarification from someone in your club, i.e. the Captain or competition secretary.

gman127

Best bet is to ring your pro shop to be sure but I'd be pretty sure that you could do this.
Might be some serious raised eyebrows if he suddenly has a great score though!! Not that there'd be anything wrong with the card per say but it reads as "Lad has great score, no one playing with him, just his brother in law marking the card...."

Seve OB

I'd be very surprised if he put his name on the time sheet now and didn't get someone to play with him by Saturday afternoon...... ESPECIALLY as it's the captains prize.

The guys in the pro shop might try and re-jig another group to make sure he gets a partner

slingerz

he can only get out after work at 5 on saturday and the time sheet is sparce enough at that time of the evening.

tbh i cant see him having a score good enough to win anyway he's just coming back to golf after giving it up for a few years and he's off his old handicap of 11 so struggling to play to it atm

GreeBo

Marker needs to be in the comp for us, unless exceptional circumstances....this wouldn't be one.

Is there no one after him on the sheet?

slingerz

GreeBo wrote: »

Marker needs to be in the comp for us, unless exceptional circumstances....this wouldn't be one.

Is there no one after him on the sheet?

noone after him at all or before him for an hour and a half. i phyiscally cant play i'd love to obviously for the captains prize but i think he should be given the opportunity to play especially if the timesheet is open until then.

Dtoffee

I would certainly think permission is required as you are related and questions would be asked if he won a prize (I dont buy into the 'he's got no chance' notion, he would not be bothered going through such hassle if he was not compeditive).

Many moons ago, I was Captain of a Society and was approached by a member requesting that he could go out early with his brother in law (we had an afternoon tee time). He explained all the reasons very clearly and I thought it would be no problem as he had no previous form and I wanted to give him the chance to play .... he romped home and the complaints were never ending. Have you thought of what the reaction would be for you if your brother in law won ? like it or not, its a top competition and only natural that suspicions would be raised. Sometimes good intentions are simply not worth it.

jj72

GreeBo wrote: »

Marker needs to be in the comp for us, unless exceptional circumstances....this wouldn't be one.

Is there no one after him on the sheet?

Out of interest Greebo, what would exceptional circumstances be? I would have thought this would be exceptional circumstances, playing partner being injured and nobody else on the time sheet.

GreeBo

jj72 wrote: »

Out of interest Greebo, what would exceptional circumstances be? I would have thought this would be exceptional circumstances, playing partner being injured and nobody else on the time sheet.

There is no list, but I'd assume the playing partner getting injured during the round, rather than a couple of days before.

I dont see how this is any different to putting your name down alone on the timesheet and there being no one available to play?

SnowDrifts

I don't see what is the harm in just putting his name down at the said time and seeing if others will join him. Someone has to put their name on the time-sheet first.

Rikand

As long as you're a member yourself, should be no bother, whether you enter comp or not

slingerz

Dtoffee wrote: »

I would certainly think permission is required as you are related and questions would be asked if he won a prize (I dont buy into the 'he's got no chance' notion, he would not be bothered going through such hassle if he was not compeditive).

Many moons ago, I was Captain of a Society and was approached by a member requesting that he could go out early with his brother in law (we had an afternoon tee time). He explained all the reasons very clearly and I thought it would be no problem as he had no previous form and I wanted to give him the chance to play .... he romped home and the complaints were never ending. Have you thought of what the reaction would be for you if your brother in law won ? like it or not, its a top competition and only natural that suspicions would be raised. Sometimes good intentions are simply not worth it.

I agree with you entirely that if he won it then it would bring question marks from the begruding of those there and i think your last line can sum things up entirely. I still dont think he has a hope of playing to his handicap at present as he is only getting back into the game and an 11 handicap is a fair standard to get straight back to. Im sure if he was off 20+ even more suspicions would be raised.

GreeBo wrote: »

There is no list, but I'd assume the playing partner getting injured during the round, rather than a couple of days before.

I dont see how this is any different to putting your name down alone on the timesheet and there being no one available to play?

If i was fit then he would have a playing partner at that time but because i'm not and there is noone else signing up to the timesheet he should be excluded?

SnowDrifts wrote: »

I don't see what is the harm in just putting his name down at the said time and seeing if others will join him. Someone has to put their name on the time-sheet first.

his name is on the timesheet and the timesheet has been open for the past 2+ weeks however he is still alone in that spot at the moment and the competition is on this weekend

Rikand wrote: »

As long as you're a member yourself, should be no bother, whether you enter comp or not

i would agree with the sincerity of this and would stand over my honesty in marking the card and indeed my brother in law's in his playing intentions of the game but can certainly see where a choice group of begrudgers would be complaining. That said if I was fit and ended up winning the comp myself off 16 i'd be derided as a bandit so i think that would be the case whatever happens or whoever wins really

GreeBo

slingerz wrote: »

If i was fit then he would have a playing partner at that time but because i'm not and there is noone else signing up to the timesheet he should be excluded?

You are not fit though, so thats irrelevant.

What if you didnt exist, how would he plan then?

He should be excluded because no one can play with him.

Seve OB

Dtoffee wrote: »

I would certainly think permission is required as you are related and questions would be asked if he won a prize

I don't buy into that notion at all. If the OP was fit and able to play, and his partner won, do you think there would be the same questions asked? By what you are saying there should be, and it should make no difference if his bro in law was playing or just walking.

And how would it be any different to two best buddies playing together every week?

If someone is going to cheat, they will cheat.

Dtoffee wrote: »

(I dont buy into the 'he's got no chance' notion, he would not be bothered going through such hassle if he was not compeditive).

Why would he not want to play in his clubs captains prize? Surely every club has a load of no-hoper's playing in their clubs most prestigious events.

I don't see him going to any hassle, he just wants to play golf at a time to suit him.

PARlance

Slingerz, has he called the club to ask them what will happen if someone doesn't join the line? And to explain his situation.

And thinking outside the tee: Worst case scenario - you enter comp and "withdraw" injured on the first.
Let the bro in law pay your comp fee obv

Dtoffee

stevieob wrote: »

I don't buy into that notion at all. If the OP was fit and able to play, and his partner won, do you think there would be the same questions asked? By what you are saying there should be, and it should make no difference if his bro in law was playing or just walking.

And how would it be any different to two best buddies playing together every week?

If someone is going to cheat, they will cheat.



Why would he not want to play in his clubs captains prize? Surely every club has a load of no-hoper's playing in their clubs most prestigious events.

I don't see him going to any hassle, he just wants to play golf at a time to suit him.

Firstly, I can only go by what I have see and heard over the years and I think the OP knows what I am talking about: the scenario of two related members , going out late and winning the Captains Prize with one not playing would draw unwelcome attention from some members. I have no doubt cheaters will cheat no matter what, but I think the OP is right to consider his position regardless of the fact that he knows there will be no cheating.

Secondly, the OP suggested that his BIL was not expected to play well and my point is that if thats the caes, then he could have just gone out for casual golf .... but he wants to play in the competition and I think that even the worst golfer always thinks he can sneak a good round, so the aspiration is there.

I think its a very interesting scenario and maybe one that could be easily resolved by asking the Captain or the Club Pro could they organise another player (even a juvenile) to play along.

GreeBo

stevieob wrote: »

I don't buy into that notion at all. If the OP was fit and able to play, and his partner won, do you think there would be the same questions asked? By what you are saying there should be, and it should make no difference if his bro in law was playing or just walking.

And how would it be any different to two best buddies playing together every week?

If someone is going to cheat, they will cheat.



Why would he not want to play in his clubs captains prize? Surely every club has a load of no-hoper's playing in their clubs most prestigious events.

I don't see him going to any hassle, he just wants to play golf at a time to suit him.

The reason the marker is supposed to be playing is to protect the field.
If the marker isnt part of the field then you could ask why they would care about marking a card correctly.
A member of the field, incorrectly marking a card, is impacting their own chances.

Seve OB

GreeBo wrote: »

The reason the marker is supposed to be playing is to protect the field.
If the marker isnt part of the field then you could ask why they would care about marking a card correctly.
A member of the field, incorrectly marking a card, is impacting their own chances.

sorry if i caused confusion. i don't have an issue with the marker having to be part of the field. it was more the closeness of the players and people saying it would raise eyebrows... i just think people will make of it what the will, if they want to believe something untoward is going on

slingerz

GreeBo wrote: »

You are not fit though, so thats irrelevant.

What if you didnt exist, how would he plan then?

He should be excluded because no one can play with him.

And if i was fit it would be a moot point?

As Parlane said, i could just join the comp and withdraw injured after the first hole would i then be ok to mark the card all of the way around?

GreeBo

slingerz wrote: »

And if i was fit it would be a moot point?

As Parlane said, i could just join the comp and withdraw injured after the first hole would i then be ok to mark the card all of the way around?

It doesnt matter if you are fit or not, what matters is having a marker who is in the competition field.

Yeah you could go down that route alright, it would be a bit underhand though, as you know you cannot play so you shouldnt enter, but maybe discuss it with the club in question?